John Kerry for President!

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by wvrevy
If the shoe fits

Funny...Did I direct that comment at anyone in particular ? Why did you automatically assume I was talking about you ?

And you can stop with the juvenile posting of the board rules. If you don't like my post, report it.

Again, with the insults?! No surprise. Most here can post their opinion without insulting the others while doing it. People can disagree and not be rude, sarcastic and insulting, it's quite simple.

You don't like my pointing out that you are posting against the boards' guidelines, too bad.

Huh? Where did I say in my post you were talking to me? I'm just pointing out how insulting you are to those who have a differing opinion than yours.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
Again, with the insults?! No surprise. Most here can post their opinion without insulting the others while doing it. People can disagree and not be rude, sarcastic and insulting, it's quite simple.

Sorry...I'm taking my queue from the Republican Party...Since all they do is insult democrats in general and John Kerry in particular, I just assumed it would be ok if everyone behaved that way

Originally posted by beattyfamily
You don't like my pointing out that you are posting against the boards' guidelines, too bad.

And if you don't like my posts, too bad. Either report them and see if the administrators agree with you or stop whining.

Originally posted by beattyfamily
Huh? Where did I say in my post you were talking to me? I'm just pointing out how insulting you are to those who have a differing opinion than yours.

I'm insulting to those who post lies and condescension. To those that I disagree with (such as jrydberg, for example) I respectfully disagree, and when I get over the line I apologize for it.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Sorry...I'm taking my queue from the Republican Party...Since all they do is insult democrats in general and John Kerry in particular, I just assumed it would be ok if everyone behaved that way

And if you don't like my posts, too bad. Either report them and see if the administrators agree with you or stop whining.

I'm insulting to those who post lies and condescension. To those that I disagree with (such as jrydberg, for example) I respectfully disagree, and when I get over the line I apologize for it.

I've never insulted you have I? I just want the same respect. Calling me a 'slow learner' for not agreeing with you...there's no need for that.

It's so unfortuate you have to be this way.

But I did take your advice.

 

[Joeblack]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
So the BIG question is, who do you think the terrorists want as our next President?

IMHO they are happy with what Bush has done. He will give them the holy war they want, and by having gone the unilateral way, they have polarized most of the world against the U.S.

A joint effort by every nation would be much harder for terrorists.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Red neck???? Excuse me missy, but I live ABOVE the Mason Dixon line.


Your too funny. The "queen" of the one liners is bothered by my fragmented replies. The crux of my argument is that regardless of who was in the WH, 9-11 would have occurred. That was a ball set in motion YEARS and YEARS ago throughout several administrations so to drop it solely at the feet of this one is quite unfair. We need to take the fight TO the terrorists. We always need to be on the offensive. That's the way wars are won. Peace is achieved by complete victory over the enemy. You do remember who that is don't you?

I hope you're not implying that I don't feel for the deaths of our brave soldiers. I truly hope you aren't because it could not be more untrue. But there are many on *your* side that say Bush is sending them off to die. The current armed forces is completely voluntary and they are STILL signing up knowing full well that they could be sent off to fight now. People in *your* side say that they support the troops but not what they are doing. How would you feel if someone told you that? Me, I wouldn't want that kind of support.

Are you forgetting that Iraq is not "the terrorists"? It's a point that we have gone over and over again, ad nauseum.

You may be older than me, but I still feel like you are going through life with blinders on. I'm basing this solely by what I have read on here, which admittedly may not be a fair way of judging someone. Personally I have never lived during a worse time for our country. We have squandered the good-will of the post 9/11 sentiment of our allies. The rest of the free world hates us. We are in a war that we shouldn't be involved in.

I could go on and on, about gay rights, women's rights, prochoice, etc. You can do a search of my posts to see where I stand on those issues.

I could just turn a blind eye to the plight of the human condition at this point because it really doesn't effect me personally. I don't though because I care about humanity in general, and not just Americans. Or I won't buy into the lets get them, before they get us type of mentality.

If my vote for Kerry can do anything to change the miserable state that the world is in right now, I'm sure as heck gonna do it.

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel


If my vote for Kerry can do anything to change the miserable state that the world is in right now, I'm sure as heck gonna do it.

Is it really that bad? What has Bush done that has made your personal life any worse than it was before.

Personally I can not imagine Bush not being President in what may be World War III, we need a leader who is desicive and shows no indifference toward the evil lurking in the world.

 

[BedKnobbery2]

Originally posted by JoeThaNo1Stunna
Is it really that bad? What has Bush done that has made your personal life any worse than it was before.

Personally I can not imagine Bush not being President in what may be World War III, we need a leader who is desicive and shows no indifference toward the evil lurking in the world.

Joe, please go back and read her post. minnie clearly stated that her vote was not about her life, personally, but about the greater good in general.

It seems like that's such a difficult concept for some (not all, mind you) Republicans to grasp; I so often get a sense of "If it isn't about me, it isn't important" from them. Which is why more and more I find myself wanting to register as a Democrat for the first time in my life.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by JoeThaNo1Stunna
Is it really that bad? What has Bush done that has made your personal life any worse than it was before.

Personally I can not imagine Bush not being President in what may be World War III, we need a leader who is desicive and shows no indifference toward the evil lurking in the world.

Oh Joe, you totally misunderstood me! I'm looking at what the whole world looks like right now. My persoanl life is great! Why should I only be concerned with my personal life, and not worry about the state of affairs of the rest of the world?

Joe, you see WWIII looming on the horizon? Isn't that our worst nightmare scenario? Wouldn't it benefit humanity to do anything to prevent it?

 

[KarenC]

Originally posted by JoeThaNo1Stunna
Personally I can not imagine Bush not being President in what may be World War III, we need a leader who is desicive and shows no indifference toward the evil lurking in the world.

Personally I cannot imagine fighting World War III after having alienated our allies the way we have the past few years.

 

[castlegazer]

I just want to respond to the debate about who the terrorists want as President. This has GOT to be the stupidest debate I have ever read or heard of - The extremists and terrorists don't want George Bush as President and they don't want John Kerry as President, as a matter of fact they don't want our country to exist at all! They want each and every one of us DEAD! Every American, whether they be Democratic or Republican or Seussian - DEAD!

How can you make this a debate? George Bush, if he remains President, and John Kerry, if he is elected President will both do everything in their power to fight the terrorists and strike at anyone who strikes at us. The debate is not who will fight for the protection of our country, it is how each one of these men will go about this fight. I believe that President Bush has a misguided design on how to fight the actual terrorists, there is evidence of a video provided to the 911 commission that he had Osama Bin Laden in his crosshairs and did not attack him, choosing instead to bring our troops into a country that did not perpetrate the terrorists acts we so desire as a nation to lash out against.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Oh Joe, you totally misunderstood me! I'm looking at what the whole world looks like right now. My persoanl life is great! Why should I only be concerned with my personal life, and not worry about the state of affairs of the rest of the world?

Joe, you see WWIII looming on the horizon? Isn't that our worst nightmare scenario? Wouldn't it benefit humanity to do anything to prevent it?

Barack Obama said this so beautifully the other night:

Now let me be clear. We have real enemies in the world. These enemies must be found. They must be pursued and they must be defeated. John Kerry knows this. And just as Lieutenant Kerry did not hesitate to risk his life to protect the men who served with him in Vietnam, President Kerry will not hesitate one moment to use our military might to keep America safe and secure. John Kerry believes in America. And he knows it's not enough for just some of us to prosper. For alongside our famous individualism, there's another ingredient in the American saga.

A belief that we are connected as one people. If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief — I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper — that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. "E pluribus unum."

Out of many, one.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Are you forgetting that Iraq is not "the terrorists"? It's a point that we have gone over and over again, ad nauseum.

You may be older than me, but I still feel like you are going through life with blinders on. I'm basing this solely by what I have read on here, which admittedly may not be a fair way of judging someone. Personally I have never lived during a worse time for our country. We have squandered the good-will of the post 9/11 sentiment of our allies. The rest of the free world hates us. We are in a war that we shouldn't be involved in.

I could go on and on, about gay rights, women's rights, prochoice, etc. You can do a search of my posts to see where I stand on those issues.

I could just turn a blind eye to the plight of the human condition at this point because it really doesn't effect me personally. I don't though because I care about humanity in general, and not just Americans. Or I won't buy into the lets get them, before they get us type of mentality.

If my vote for Kerry can do anything to change the miserable state that the world is in right now, I'm sure as heck gonna do it.

This is so far off base I don't know where to begin.

It's been shown that Iraq was harboring terrorists and paying them. Just not the ones that perpetrated 9-11. A terrorist is still a terrorist IMO.

How long did you really expect that sentiment to last? People are people and they usually go back to their same old same old in short time. And to stay with that thought in mind, seems that a lot of people have moved 9-11 to the memory archives.

What miserable state is the world in? Is global collapse around the corner? Some people seem to forget that the BAD people cause all the problems. No matter what we do/did as a country as far as foreign policy goes, that didn't warrant attacks on us by these fanaticals. And guess what, there will always be bad people but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to eliminate them or does it mean that we should "just try to get along".

If the US is hated so much by the rest of the world, why do they (I think when you say "the rest" you mean ALL) still come here to vacation, work and live. Heck they sneak across the border in the south for hope of a better life. Such a rotten country we are.

Are you for going into the Sudan and help cleaning up that God awful mess since you say your concerned about the human plight? If so, what's the difference between that and helping the Iraqi's to get out from under SH iron fist?

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by castlegazer


How can you make this a debate? George Bush, if he remains President, and John Kerry, if he is elected President will both do everything in their power to fight the terrorists and strike at anyone who strikes at us. The debate is not who will fight for the protection of our country, it is how each one of these men will go about this fight.
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Well said !!!!!!!!!

 

[septbride2002]

Why is it that Bush is not held accountable for the misinformation from intelligence agencies in his decison to go to war - but Kerry is held accountable for his vote to give the President the ability to use force if necessary - based on the same information?

In other words - Republicans - get off it. Everyone had the same bad information.

~Amanda

 

[Saffron]

Oh my gosh, didn't you just love Obama and love his speech the other night! I hope he stays the course and doesn't let the political arena mess up his visions and values! He's a good man, a man who energized a party that in my opinion was a little uncertain going into the Convention.

Joe -- if you feel that way about WWIII being just around the corner, you definitely don't want Bush to remain President. He came out about two weeks ago and said he does not want to be seen as the war president anymore, he wants to be seen as the "President of peace" and the next four years in the White House will be 4 years of peace.

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by septbride2002
Why is it that Bush is not held accountable for the misinformation from intelligence agencies in his decison to go to war - but Kerry is held accountable for his vote to give the President the ability to use force if necessary - based on the same information?

What?!? Bush isn't held accountable?!? What are those people with the "Bush Lied" bumper stckers/T shirts doing? What is Michael Moore doing?

 

[Rutt and Tuke]

I've only read as far as page 6 and one thing I do know is that Kerry, et al, have inspired me to do something I have never done before: I contributed $$ to a political campaign and it wasn't to Bush.

I contributed before Kerry's speech last night and his speech made me glad I had.

 

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by septbride2002
Why is it that Bush is not held accountable for the misinformation from intelligence agencies in his decison to go to war - but Kerry is held accountable for his vote to give the President the ability to use force if necessary - based on the same information?

In other words - Republicans - get off it. Everyone had the same bad information.

~Amanda

I think that's kinda the point Republicans make, but from the other side of it. Bush takes A LOT more heat about it than Kerry does (and rightfully so, he was in command). I think the point is not that Kerry was wrong to authorize the use of force, but that he came to the same conclusions Bush came to. Now obviously in the days since then Kerry has taken a different stance. But it's hard to berate Bush or Kerry on going to war initially without berating both of them.

 

[Samsara]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
It's been shown that Iraq was harboring terrorists and paying them. Just not the ones that perpetrated 9-11. A terrorist is still a terrorist IMO.

Attempts to justify a misguided war...

Don't ya just love it!

"Well, well... It doesn't matter if they didn't have any connection to 9/11!!! It doesn't matter that they could in no way, shape or form harm us!!! WAR!!!!!!!

 

[Samsara]

Originally posted by jrydberg
I think that's kinda the point Republicans make, but from the other side of it. Bush takes A LOT more heat about it than Kerry does (and rightfully so, he was in command). I think the point is not that Kerry was wrong to authorize the use of force, but that he came to the same conclusions Bush came to. Now obviously in the days since then Kerry has taken a different stance. But it's hard to berate Bush or Kerry on going to war initially without berating both of them.

Sorry bud. Kerry voted for the use of force if needed. He did not vote for the mis-use of force.