John Edwards chosen by Kerry as VP

[faithinkarma]

So far the polls do not agree with you. But again.....we shall see in four months.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by Robinrs
Funny, I remember a recent thread on the CB about whether or not John Kerry was good looking.... and I asked the same thing? Why does it matter? It seems his naysayers thought that it was VERY important then.

Funny how that sort of thing works, isn't it?

Vote for me because I am good-looking!

Whatever works is fine with me, and there's simply no denying that being attractive and charasmatic is a huge plus.


Has anyone listened to that sour and sarcastic Cheney giving a speech? I can't wait until the VP debates!!

I wouldn't say Bush is trailing. given the margin of error in most polls, they are at a virtual deadheat.

Not exactly a dead heat. The latest MSNBC poll, taken after the Edwards choice puts Kerry ahead by 8 points with a 5 point margin of error.

Of course, when the Republicans are behind, polls mean nothing, right? Oh wait, let me give you the better standard right wing excuse....The liberal media can't be trusted. You don't have to thank me for saving you the time of typing a response, it was my pleasure!

 

[Galahad]

Not exactly a dead heat. The latest MSNBC poll, taken after the Edwards choice puts Kerry ahead by 8 points with a 5 point margin of error.

Yes, but another poll, the Rassmussen poll, taken after the choice had Bush up by 3. Polls are not really worth very much as a measure, especially when they are really being used (by both sides) to CHANGE opinion and CREATE news.

 

[William Jefferson Clinton]

"We make jokes about it but the truth is this presidential election really offers us a choice of two well-informed opposing positions on every issue. OK, they both belong to John Kerry, but they're still there." credit Jay Leno

Bill aka Slick Willy

 

[peachgirl]

And she was on Hardball making the lame attempt to COMPLIMENT Kerry on choosing Edwards as his running mate

Where you do get the idea she was attempting to compliment Kerry on his choice? Actually, if you read the entire transcript, you can see where she was quite critical of Edwards.

As bothersome as it is, it's just a fact...healthy, young and energetic is a positive.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by Galahad
Yes, but another poll, the Rassmussen poll, taken after the choice had Bush up by 3. Polls are not really worth very much as a measure, especially when they are really being used (by both sides) to CHANGE opinion and CREATE news.

It has always been my understanding that Rassmussen polls are taken over three day periods. In fact it says on the website

Just one-third of the interviews for this survey were completed after Senator John Edwards was named as the Democrats Vice-Presidential candidate.

The next poll will be a more accurate picture.

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Not exactly a dead heat. The latest MSNBC poll, taken after the Edwards choice puts Kerry ahead by 8 points with a 5 point margin of error.

Of course, when the Republicans are behind, polls mean nothing, right? Oh wait, let me give you the better standard right wing excuse....The liberal media can't be trusted. You don't have to thank me for saving you the time of typing a response, it was my pleasure!

It's funny watching people tout polls as though the current one is the end-all, do-all, be-all of the campaign. Polls have a natural ebb & flow that is easily charted by following the campaign calendar. But it is still humorous to watch the reactions to them. It's amazing how much importance is given to information based on so little data. As though a sample of 800 - 1200 people can predict the future. Hello, Miss Cleo -- where are you???

 

[Galahad]

They must have had polling and such to suggest that getting the VP announcement bounce now instead of at the convention would be good for them. Intuitively that doesn't make sense. You'd think you'd want the bounce as late as you can get it (without being too late) because it will always subside. Whoever wins the race, IMO, will do so with a very small popular vote margin. It won't be as high as 8% up for either one when all is said and done. So with that assumption, it seems a bit early to get "the bounce".

 

[Galahad]

The next poll will be a more accurate picture.

Agreed. Accurate for that period certianly. It will be a bit more interesting to see the trend going forward......after "the bump".

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Where you do get the idea she was attempting to compliment Kerry on his choice? Actually, if you read the entire transcript, you can see where she was quite critical of Edwards.

As bothersome as it is, it's just a fact...healthy, young and energetic is a positive.

*SIGH* So, we are back to junior high school-type elections where everything is based on good looks, popularity and what teams/groups you are affiliated with. Why bother campaigning on issues, vision, plans, and the direction you will take the country. Be good-looking and popular... that's all that matters. We'll worry about leadership after the election ... when it's too late to do anything for 4 years.

 

[peachgirl]

It's funny watching people tout polls as though the current one is the end-all, do-all, be-all of the campaign.

It'll be even funnier watching the right tout how important polls are IF and when Bush gets ahead.

Actually, I never touted polls in such a manner. I think they're a good indication of what people think at the moment and no more. I was simply pointing out that in that particular poll, the election wasn't a dead heat.

*SIGH* So, we are back to junior high school-type elections where everything is based on good looks, popularity and what teams/groups you are affiliated with. Why bother campaigning on issues, vision, plans, and the direction you will take the country. Be good-looking and popular... that's all that matters. We'll worry about leadership after the election ... when it's too late to do anything for 4 years.

Wow, you really are worried aren't you? Again, I never said "everything" is based on looks. But to ignore the fact that people react more positively to attractive people is just foolish. It's simply a positive aspect to the candidate.

It's funny to hear the right complain about not focusing on the issues especially after nearly 300 replies on this thread with not a single post that actually addresses Edward's views on specific issues, his vision, plan or the direction he'd like to see the country go.

Bottom line for me is that I'm confident in the Kerry/Edwards ticket so anything that gets someone to vote for them is just fine by me.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by Galahad
Yes, but another poll, the Rassmussen poll, taken after the choice had Bush up by 3.

Actually Rassmussen has Bush up by 2, not 3 and only 1/3 of the interviews were done after the Edwards choice.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by Galahad
They must have had polling and such to suggest that getting the VP announcement bounce now instead of at the convention would be good for them. Intuitively that doesn't make sense. You'd think you'd want the bounce as late as you can get it (without being too late) because it will always subside. Whoever wins the race, IMO, will do so with a very small popular vote margin. It won't be as high as 8% up for either one when all is said and done. So with that assumption, it seems a bit early to get "the bounce".

I do not know if the announcement so early was a good or bad thing...but I am going to go way out on a limb here and disagree with your election prediction. I think it is going to be much more one sided than anyone has predicted. Feel free to save this so you we can have a good laugh at my expense in November if I am wrong.

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Wow, you really are worried aren't you? Again, I never said "everything" is based on looks. But to ignore the fact that people react more positively to attractive people is just foolish. It's simply a positive aspect to the candidate.

Worried? I can only hope that my parents genes hold out for me as long as Edwards' have!

It's funny to hear the right complain about not focusing on the issues especially after nearly 300 replies on this thread with not a single post that actually addresses Edward's views on specific issues, his vision, plan or the direction he'd like to see the country go.

The only thing I know of Edward's views is summarized in this quote of his:

"I believe we live in a country where there are two different Americas, one for people who get everything they need every single day, and one for everybody else," he said at a debate in New York last spring. "And I believe that the president of the United States, with the Lord's help, has the power to change that."

As for specifics, it's hard to respond to something that's not there!

Bottom line for me is that I'm confident in the Kerry/Edwards ticket so anything that gets someone to vote for them is just fine by me.

Like I said ... it's a sad day when presidental elections revert back to junior high school-style mentality.

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
I do not know if the announcement so early was a good or bad thing...but I am going to go way out on a limb here and disagree with your election prediction. I think it is going to be much more one sided than anyone has predicted. Feel free to save this so you we can have a good laugh at my expense in November if I am wrong.

FIK, certainly won't laugh at your expense. It's not like the pundits are trolling the DIS for expert political analysis.

I based my opinion on the relatively small number of "undecideds" this time around. The fact that we are so polarized these days, things like MM's film or Edwards etc. aren't as likely, IMO, to change minds as much as they are likely to energize folks to vote who had already decided who to vote for.

 

[peachgirl]

it's a sad day when presidental elections revert back to junior high school-style mentality.

Well, my choice isn't based on such a mentality.

I'd argue that it hasn't "reverted back" but has been there all along. A vast majority of the complaints against Gore by the right had nothing to do with his abilities but simply focused on how "boring" he was and how "wooden" he appeared.

And, as was mentioned earlier, the right wingers had a ball on a a recent thread bashing Kerry because of nothing more than his looks. I guess it's okay if the comments about the Democratic candidate's looks are negative. It only becomes childish when they're positive??

 

[faithinkarma]

I think this thing could swing in a huge way, and in either direction. At least as far as electoral college votes go. Right now, it looks like things are going to swing towards the democrats in a way that the republicans will not be able to regain. I believe Kerry is an incredibly smart campaigner and am enjoying watching him. I also think it is extremely likely Bush will dump Cheney...perhaps for health reasons....and, after looking at the news this morning, perhaps bacause Cheney will be forced to resign. If Bush goes on with someone new, it could still go either way, but I suspect it would mean a huge win for Bush.

 

[Galahad]

after looking at the news this morning, perhaps bacause Cheney will be forced to resign

You mean the Enron indictment? If so, how would that force Cheney to resign?

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by Galahad
You mean the Enron indictment? If so, how would that force Cheney to resign?

Wishful thinking!

 

[faithinkarma]

no, this story

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4799.shtml

I am not familiar with the source, so it may be suspect, but I do know other boards are all buzzing about it. Guess we will have to wait and see where the story goes. Personally, I am hoping it is not true.