Jodi Arias Trial Part 4, starting with redirect of "expert" Dr Samuels, March 19

[Promomx2]

Thanks soo much BearscatsFan

 

[reelmom]

Thanks BearcatsFan. You are AWESOME!!!!

 

[usnuzuloose]

Well if they hadn't picked such an idiot for a "doctor".....

I'm excited to here who Juan brings in for the rebuttal...

Now THAT should interesting....

Details, Details......

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I just read on WS that Travis' family did not comply with taking off the blue ribbons. Good for them!

Good for them!!!

03/21/13

1. Are you only allowed to testify about a client’s conversations with their consent?

2. In fight/flight scenario, does the body choose either to fight or flee? Can both of these happen at the same time?

3. Can memories that are blocked during fight/flight return over time or are they lost forever?

4. How can we be certain your assessment of JA isn’t based on lies she has made (by her own admission) over the years?

5. Did you use hypnosis on JA to attempt to recover her memory? Did anyone else use it?

6. During fight/flight scenario, do you believe it’s possible these memories do exist?

7. If someone with that experience could draw from photos/journals/videos or other methods, couldn’t they extract some old, forgotten memories also?

8. Are there other psychologists/doctors who have different opinions on the items you testified about or is there 100% agreement?

9. You said acute stress disorder can be diagnosed within 2 months of the event. You diagnosed JA with this, yet you didn’t have the first discussion with her until 2009, which is more than 6 months after the event. Can you clarify?

10. What dates did JA take the tests on?

11. Can you be sure JA is not lying to you about the events that happened on June 4, 2008?

12. Would the shutdown of the hippocampus be affected by a person’s control over the event – for example, a soldier bursts into a room to kill someone vs an individual jumps out at a soldier on a routine patrol.

13. In regards to the events on June 4, do you feel JA had suppressed memories or are they missing entirely?

14. If you feel she had suppressed memories, did you try hypnosis? If no, why not?

15. As a professional, what steps do you take to make sure that someone has truly lost their memory or suppressed it as opposed to just lying?

**I lost feed momentarily here and may have missed one … **

16. To your knowledge, was JA tested more than once on any of the tests?

17. When you meet with someone, are you definitely able to tell when they’re lying or telling the truth, or are you basing that on perception?

18. You said JA never said anything negative in her journal, yet she said she wished suicide was a way out and that TA made her sick/happy/sad/miserable. Are those considered positive statements?

19. Are there other disorders in the DSM4 book that would list the same or similar experiences?

20. Is there a science to explain why some people can recall events and others can’t when involved in something traumatic?

21. How do you ask your questions when you interview someone? Do you ask leading questions, such as “do you have memory loss” or “do you have nightmares”?

22. You said before that 3-8 people out of 100,000 experience transient global amnesia – now you’re saying 3-8% of people, which is a much higher number. Which is right?

23. You said transient global amnesia can be caused by sex, immersion in hot/cold water, among other things – is this list all-inclusive or can TGA be associated with something such as a bad haircut?

24. Is JA taking any medications to treat this terrible PTSD?

25. This question is in reference to the Time article in the presentation. The second point highlights the officer’s process shutting down as an example. If your process shuts down, how did JA get so much done on the day TA was killed?

26. Did you diagnose any conditions that weren’t covered in the testimony? If so, what are they?

27. When you use the word “appears” in your explanation of patient condition, does that mean you’re not 100% sure?

28. Are your opinions based on what the patient tells you about what happened to them?

29. In extreme shock events where the hippocampus blocks the formation of memories, can the brain still function to make a rational decision during that time?

30. When you talked about “intrusive thoughts”, did you use the word “actors”? If so, what did you mean by “actors”?

31. Regarding the tremors/shakes you witnessed with JA. How can you tell they are caused from PTSD or memories rather than JA’s fear of her future or of being found guilty?

32. Did you see JA shaking before she mentioned it to you?

33. Are the actions a person performed while the hippocampus is overwhelmed by trauma be considered autopilot or non-reasonable reactions?

34. Are actions while in this state reflective or consistent with one’s core personality? Can these actions be extreme opposite to that (the core personality)? For example, a mile pacifist becomes a brutal person? Can the mind choose when the hippocampus is overwhelmed?

35. In the process of killing someone, isn’t it possible/probably that adrenaline output would increase whether someone was in fight/flight mode or in the middle of a premeditated killing? (JM objected here, sustained, and it was re-asked as a yes/no only question). If not, why not?

36. You have compared JA’s PTSD multiple times to police officers/soldiers. Do you think that’s fair since they kill as part of their job/duty?

37. Is there a diagnosis for selective amnesia?

38. Would you continue evaluating a person who you felt wasn’t being honest with you?

39. Why didn’t you re-administer the test once JA admitted to killing TA?

40. It seems that 30-35 hours isn’t enough to evaluate someone who has killed another person, especially in the traumatic way as JA did. Wouldn’t you agree this is inadequate to evaluate and diagnose JA?

41. Is MMPI test used for anything other than therapy, such as validation for specific job requirements?

42. In reference to JA’s diagnosis for PTSD – when did you catch the errors in your report? Do you feel they were big errors?

43. You said in re-direct JA remembers the beginning/end of attack; therefore, she would have memories of the attack after it ended, such as cleaning up, deleting the pics, taking the gun, etc., correct?

44. Can acute stress occur if someone plans to kill vs defending themselves when in danger? (JM objected, sustained, must answer as yes/no only)

45. Do you often make mistakes in your reports when you do evaluations?

46. Can you tell us where JA said she was when she came out of her fog after the killing?

47. You seem to have issues with omitting or not-including information. Don’t you think it’s important to have the complete info for a trial such as this?

48. Why didn’t you complete a new PDS when JA changed her story? If the answers were based on the intruder story, how can you be sure she has PTSD when the answers were based on a different story?

49. Do you consider yourself to be an impartial 3rd party in this case?

50. Do you always develop a fond relationship with all the individuals you evaluate?

51. Do you still think it’s appropriate to purchase gifts for JA while evaluating her, or do you think you stepped over the ethical line?

52. For D2 criteria, you mention the phone call between JA and her mom. Can you explain what happened during the call, and why it fit into the criteria? Wouldn’t anyone having a fight over the phone with their parent fit the criteria?

53. In your professional opinion, do you think someone able to confront their boyfriends/women they’re cheating with is displaying assertive behavior?

54. Do medications cause any of the amnesias you have described?

55. Since you didn’t meet with JA until Dec., 2009, isn’t it fair to say you’re not 100% sure she suffered from acute stress?

56. Under cross, you admitted JA having anal sex was relevant to the diagnosis. Then under re-direct, you said it wasn’t relevant. Please explain this inconsistency.

57. When a patient changes their story, misrepresents it, or doesn’t tell you the truth, doesn’t that raise a red flag?

58. Sending a self-help book doesn’t seem to insure success of the evaluation, but would help to insure success of therapy – would you agree?

59. You said under re-direct if someone is making a story up, their story is consistent, correct? If so, if JA is making up the current story, wouldn’t it make sense that her story is consistent?

60. You said you reviewed interviews with JA’s family/friends as part of her evaluation – who conducted those interviews?

61. Are there validity scales on PDS tests? If so, were JA’s validity scores out of normal range?

62. Does your code of ethics/guidelines explain what you’re supposed to do if you believe someone to be suicidal or of potential harm to themselves? If so, what are they?

63. Can you review your notes regarding JA being tied up by hands/feet and TA climaxing as he cut the rope – was this the day of the killing?

64. Why do you believe JA’s self-esteem was low early on in her relationship with TA since this is way before you ever evaluated her?

BREAK – Noon recess


**Transcribed mostly in my own words to the best of my ability.**

And a most excellent job you've done! Will link in the first post after I do something productive around here.

 

[lorimay]

03/21/13

1. Are you only allowed to testify about a client’s conversations with their consent?

2. In fight/flight scenario, does the body choose either to fight or flee? Can both of these happen at the same time?

3. Can memories that are blocked during fight/flight return over time or are they lost forever?

4. How can we be certain your assessment of JA isn’t based on lies she has made (by her own admission) over the years?

5. Did you use hypnosis on JA to attempt to recover her memory? Did anyone else use it?

6. During fight/flight scenario, do you believe it’s possible these memories do exist?

7. If someone with that experience could draw from photos/journals/videos or other methods, couldn’t they extract some old, forgotten memories also?

8. Are there other psychologists/doctors who have different opinions on the items you testified about or is there 100% agreement?

9. You said acute stress disorder can be diagnosed within 2 months of the event. You diagnosed JA with this, yet you didn’t have the first discussion with her until 2009, which is more than 6 months after the event. Can you clarify?

10. What dates did JA take the tests on?

11. Can you be sure JA is not lying to you about the events that happened on June 4, 2008?

12. Would the shutdown of the hippocampus be affected by a person’s control over the event – for example, a soldier bursts into a room to kill someone vs an individual jumps out at a soldier on a routine patrol.

13. In regards to the events on June 4, do you feel JA had suppressed memories or are they missing entirely?

14. If you feel she had suppressed memories, did you try hypnosis? If no, why not?

15. As a professional, what steps do you take to make sure that someone has truly lost their memory or suppressed it as opposed to just lying?

**I lost feed momentarily here and may have missed one … **

16. To your knowledge, was JA tested more than once on any of the tests?

17. When you meet with someone, are you definitely able to tell when they’re lying or telling the truth, or are you basing that on perception?

18. You said JA never said anything negative in her journal, yet she said she wished suicide was a way out and that TA made her sick/happy/sad/miserable. Are those considered positive statements?

19. Are there other disorders in the DSM4 book that would list the same or similar experiences?

20. Is there a science to explain why some people can recall events and others can’t when involved in something traumatic?

21. How do you ask your questions when you interview someone? Do you ask leading questions, such as “do you have memory loss” or “do you have nightmares”?

22. You said before that 3-8 people out of 100,000 experience transient global amnesia – now you’re saying 3-8% of people, which is a much higher number. Which is right?

23. You said transient global amnesia can be caused by sex, immersion in hot/cold water, among other things – is this list all-inclusive or can TGA be associated with something such as a bad haircut?

24. Is JA taking any medications to treat this terrible PTSD?

25. This question is in reference to the Time article in the presentation. The second point highlights the officer’s process shutting down as an example. If your process shuts down, how did JA get so much done on the day TA was killed?

26. Did you diagnose any conditions that weren’t covered in the testimony? If so, what are they?

27. When you use the word “appears” in your explanation of patient condition, does that mean you’re not 100% sure?

28. Are your opinions based on what the patient tells you about what happened to them?

29. In extreme shock events where the hippocampus blocks the formation of memories, can the brain still function to make a rational decision during that time?

30. When you talked about “intrusive thoughts”, did you use the word “actors”? If so, what did you mean by “actors”?

31. Regarding the tremors/shakes you witnessed with JA. How can you tell they are caused from PTSD or memories rather than JA’s fear of her future or of being found guilty?

32. Did you see JA shaking before she mentioned it to you?

33. Are the actions a person performed while the hippocampus is overwhelmed by trauma be considered autopilot or non-reasonable reactions?

34. Are actions while in this state reflective or consistent with one’s core personality? Can these actions be extreme opposite to that (the core personality)? For example, a mile pacifist becomes a brutal person? Can the mind choose when the hippocampus is overwhelmed?

35. In the process of killing someone, isn’t it possible/probably that adrenaline output would increase whether someone was in fight/flight mode or in the middle of a premeditated killing? (JM objected here, sustained, and it was re-asked as a yes/no only question). If not, why not?

36. You have compared JA’s PTSD multiple times to police officers/soldiers. Do you think that’s fair since they kill as part of their job/duty?

37. Is there a diagnosis for selective amnesia?

38. Would you continue evaluating a person who you felt wasn’t being honest with you?

39. Why didn’t you re-administer the test once JA admitted to killing TA?

40. It seems that 30-35 hours isn’t enough to evaluate someone who has killed another person, especially in the traumatic way as JA did. Wouldn’t you agree this is inadequate to evaluate and diagnose JA?

41. Is MMPI test used for anything other than therapy, such as validation for specific job requirements?

42. In reference to JA’s diagnosis for PTSD – when did you catch the errors in your report? Do you feel they were big errors?

43. You said in re-direct JA remembers the beginning/end of attack; therefore, she would have memories of the attack after it ended, such as cleaning up, deleting the pics, taking the gun, etc., correct?

44. Can acute stress occur if someone plans to kill vs defending themselves when in danger? (JM objected, sustained, must answer as yes/no only)

45. Do you often make mistakes in your reports when you do evaluations?

46. Can you tell us where JA said she was when she came out of her fog after the killing?

47. You seem to have issues with omitting or not-including information. Don’t you think it’s important to have the complete info for a trial such as this?

48. Why didn’t you complete a new PDS when JA changed her story? If the answers were based on the intruder story, how can you be sure she has PTSD when the answers were based on a different story?

49. Do you consider yourself to be an impartial 3rd party in this case?

50. Do you always develop a fond relationship with all the individuals you evaluate?

51. Do you still think it’s appropriate to purchase gifts for JA while evaluating her, or do you think you stepped over the ethical line?

52. For D2 criteria, you mention the phone call between JA and her mom. Can you explain what happened during the call, and why it fit into the criteria? Wouldn’t anyone having a fight over the phone with their parent fit the criteria?

53. In your professional opinion, do you think someone able to confront their boyfriends/women they’re cheating with is displaying assertive behavior?

54. Do medications cause any of the amnesias you have described?

55. Since you didn’t meet with JA until Dec., 2009, isn’t it fair to say you’re not 100% sure she suffered from acute stress?

56. Under cross, you admitted JA having anal sex was relevant to the diagnosis. Then under re-direct, you said it wasn’t relevant. Please explain this inconsistency.

57. When a patient changes their story, misrepresents it, or doesn’t tell you the truth, doesn’t that raise a red flag?

58. Sending a self-help book doesn’t seem to insure success of the evaluation, but would help to insure success of therapy – would you agree?

59. You said under re-direct if someone is making a story up, their story is consistent, correct? If so, if JA is making up the current story, wouldn’t it make sense that her story is consistent?

60. You said you reviewed interviews with JA’s family/friends as part of her evaluation – who conducted those interviews?

61. Are there validity scales on PDS tests? If so, were JA’s validity scores out of normal range?

62. Does your code of ethics/guidelines explain what you’re supposed to do if you believe someone to be suicidal or of potential harm to themselves? If so, what are they?

63. Can you review your notes regarding JA being tied up by hands/feet and TA climaxing as he cut the rope – was this the day of the killing?

64. Why do you believe JA’s self-esteem was low early on in her relationship with TA since this is way before you ever evaluated her?

BREAK – Noon recess


**Transcribed mostly in my own words to the best of my ability.**

You need a big piece of cake or some candy bars for all that hard work........

 

[momrek06]

BCF, you are AMAZING!!!!!

TY TY TY TY

 

[usnuzuloose]

Thank You Bearsatfan! You did an awesome job!

 

[BearcatsFan]

You're welcome everyone!

 

[Uncle Remus]

03/21/13
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**I lost feed momentarily here and may have missed one … **
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**Transcribed mostly in my own words to the best of my ability.**

Break time for you:

 

[BearcatsFan]

Break time for you:

Thanks! I just sat down with some water, a protein bar, and a bowl of sliced fruit.

Did I hear the judge say more questions had been submitted for Slimey Samuels or was I dreaming?

 

[lorimay]

Thanks! I just sat down with some water, a protein bar, and a bowl of sliced fruit.

Did I hear the judge say more questions had been submitted for Slimey Samuels or was I dreaming?

No, theres some more.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Thanks! I just sat down with some water, a protein bar, and a bowl of sliced fruit.

Did I hear the judge say more questions had been submitted for Slimey Samuels or was I dreaming?

You're more than welcome, wish it was real.

More questions.

 

[usnuzuloose]

That juror that laughed, she must be laughing at the good ole doc....

 

[pigletgirl]

I'm sure that juror is at her wits end too... We all are!

 

[TiggerTails57]

That juror that laughed, she must be laughing at the good ole doc....

I missed that......what happened?

 

[pigletgirl]

I missed that......what happened?

Not sure what caused her laugh but I heard it too....

 

[usnuzuloose]

I missed that......what happened?

One juror laughed out loud when they left for lunch.

 

[TiggerTails57]

OK thanks ya'll.......

 

[reelmom]

The lady who is friends with Travis' family that goes to court almost everyday posted this on WS:

"Jodi got busted for passing things to her mom via the MIT spec 2 days ago-they retaliated w the ribbons its believed."


This lady is awesome. If you have time, you should really head over there and read her daily notes and observations.

 

[pigletgirl]

The lady who is friends with Travis' family that goes to court almost everyday posted this on WS:

"Jodi got busted for passing things to her mom via the MIT spec 2 days ago-they retaliated w the ribbons its believed."

This lady is awesome. If you have time, you should really head over there and read her daily notes and observations.

Her mom is just as bad!!! Makes me almost ill....