It's not just "PORK" anymore...Now it's your HEALTH CARE!

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This should scare the crapola out of anyone with even an ounce of intelligence.

Warning: You will want to hit something so do not have anything breakable or have any children nearby!

We are on our way to Universal Health Care...the worst care on the Planet and this is just the start.





Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey
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Commentary by Betsy McCaughey

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

Hidden Provisions

If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.

The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).

Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”

More Scrutiny Needed

On Friday, President Obama called it “inexcusable and irresponsible” for senators to delay passing the stimulus bill. In truth, this bill needs more scrutiny.

The health-care industry is the largest employer in the U.S. It produces almost 17 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Yet the bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn. This stimulus is dangerous to your health and the economy
 
So much for the era of transparency:rolleyes1 ...it seems to me that there is more burried in this bill than we really are aware of.

I think this bill is too large and encompasses to many things. It should be geared to providing jobs.
 

Gee, as a nurse for the past 15 years, I think that the best fix here is to add even more overhead and delays to care. I don't spend nearly enough time dealing with red tape!

After all, why should they listen to healthcare professionals when they can listen to accountants and members of Congress? I knew I studied all the wrong subjects if I wanted to be involved in healthcare! :sick:
 
You really want to get sick to stomach you need to go over to the main community board where there is a thread on this and read the "Obama Cult Followers" on this. It will truly scare you on how these people think and it will make you throw up just enough to put that taste in your mouth. :eek:

It is going to be a looooonnnngggg 4 years.
 
When Billary tried to cram the government health care concept down our throats, the Congress made sure it was for everybody except them. If it was such a great plan, why weren't they getting on board? I'm betting they will exempt themselves from any nationalized plan now, too.
 
How come we can't all get their plan?...
 
Wow.... I'm speechless! In one respect however, I do understand some of the ideas pertaining to the elderly. Let me tell you my perspective.

I am the office manager for my church, and our average member is in their mid to late 70's. I have seen too many very elderly in their 80's and up being put through surgeries and procedures that while yes, may, extend their lives - the end result is such a miserable existance that it would have been better to let the ailment just run its course.

The latest one is this.... one of our female members who is 82, just underwent heart transplant surgery. She has been on a waiting list for about 2 years. I have to tell you that I was shocked to learn that she was even considered for such surgery due to her age.

I don't mean to be callous, but I thought this was a very selfish decision on her part and has left me with nothing but disrespect for her. Even if everything is successful and there is no rejection, age is against her. Many more years are behind her than ahead. I hate to think that a young person still raising children died because this old lady got the heart that they could have had.

In this instance, I understand what is being said in this bill about elder-care, and to a certain degree I have to agree with it. Just because science has the ability to keep you alive, should it be used?

You have to consider that just about every Dr in the US accepts Medicare assignment, and if they can put the elderly through continuous treatments that will not cure them, but simply extend a life that has no quality while padding their bank accounts, well there you have it. Once again, GREED has caused this situation. This time, greed on the part of the Drs. and their abuse of the Medicare system. I see and here this all the time due to my job & the fact that Florida is the "Medicare Mecca" of the country.
 
Actually Deb...I've had to change my dad's primary care physician because he no longer accepted Medicare. He's not the only one.
Then..we wound up having to put him back on the BlueCross/Blue Shield HMO plan(which is another nightmare..and excludes more than it covers) we have through the business..because he's on soooooo many medications, I kid you not..it was $1800 a month for his meds.
Now....we're going back to medicare, and eating the gap before the perscription coverage kicks in. It will be cheaper than the monthly premiums...I think.:confused3 ..in the long run.
Honestly I have no idea, what's best anymore. :headache:
 
The problem, Deb, is that the government will be deciding pretty much who lives and who dies. There is no doubt that our ability to prolong life has probably in many cases exceeded common sense practice, but I don't believe politicians should be making life and death decisions based on economics, trumping decisions made by physicians. Why bother going to medical school? Just run for office.
 
While I don't want the government making life and death decisions based on economics, I've spent my fair share of time appealing insurance company decisions that have trumped what our physicians have decided is medically necessary. Makes you feel like you're banging head against a wall. (which probably isn't covered either..:headache: ) I don't know which is worse.
 
The problem, Deb, is that the government will be deciding pretty much who lives and who dies. There is no doubt that our ability to prolong life has probably in many cases exceeded common sense practice, but I don't believe politicians should be making life and death decisions based on economics, trumping decisions made by physicians. Why bother going to medical school? Just run for office.

It's a very sticky situation, to be sure. I have also seen a lot of medical care that I have questioned, due to the age of the patient, their health status, and many other concerns. What worries me is that the federal government wants to decide who is "worthy" and who isn't. That's a nasty situation sometimes when it is being decided by patients, families, and healthcare providers. I don't even want to think about it being decided in Washington.

It's a no-win situation. You can't cover everyone equally and fully, there are more $$$ needed than available, unless we want to have no money for anything else in our lives. On the other hand, how do you decide what the "best" compromise is? :headache:
 
The government could save millions if they would clean up their own house - namely the VA healthcare system. If you want to see a broken system that spends millions to prolong lives with no regard to quality of life, visit your local VA hospital.
 
Since I have spent the majority of my career in the government healthcare system, I will give you an anecdote that illustrates why we do NOT want the government making our life and death decisions. In 1984, while stationed in California, I had a patient who suffered severe head injuries in a JEEP rollover accident. His was placed on life support despite no brain activity. The Medical Review Board for the Army hospital I was on staff at (I will not name the hospital), met at an emergency meeting and decided to keep him on life support until personnel could issue him a medical retirement from the service. After the retirement went through, the "plug was pulled" and the patient expired. The reason - the government saved large amounts of money by having him die as a retiree rather than on active duty in dependant benefits. When I heard what was going on, I contacted his wife and desperately tried to get her to contact her Congressman to stop this, but she was a Korean national and just wanted to go home.
 
You want to clean up the system some more. Quit paying for illegal immigrant care. This will save billions. You want to save billions more, get the gubbament out of healthcare. The red tape alone costs billions. The LAST thing anyone needs is the Gubbament chossing whether you get to live or die. We are heading down a slippery slope here people and some better wake up fast.
 
You want to clean up the system some more. Quit paying for illegal immigrant care. This will save billions. You want to save billions more, get the gubbament out of healthcare. The red tape alone costs billions. The LAST thing anyone needs is the Gubbament chossing whether you get to live or die. We are heading down a slippery slope here people and some better wake up fast.

True that.
 
Am I the only one who remembers when you just used to go to the doctor...and PAY the doctor? I know...probably dating myself with that. :sad2:
I remember when we were first married we had coverage for hospital care, but that's it. If we were sick, we went to the Doctor..and we paid them. Cash-ola. It didn't involve losing an arm or a leg either. I remember the pediatrician being $65.00 (and that was with a throat culture)..sounds like a real bargain now. I just don't know where or when we got into this mess...
:headache:
 














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