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Sarangel

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From Yahoo! News:
Walt Disney Co. will close in early June its Japanese unit that has handled production of hand-drawn animation, as part of a move to reorganize its animation business globally, The Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported in its Thursday morning edition.

The U.S. entertainment and media giant is shifting from traditional hand-drawn animation to 3-D productions involving computer graphics, and will consolidate its animation operations into two locations, including California, where the company is based.

Disney will be shutting down its studio in Tokyo, Walt Disney Animation (Japan) Inc., which was established in 1989 and produced material mainly for television and video release.

Of the 100 or so personnel there, about 30 will transfer to Disney's U.S. headquarters or to affiliates. The remaining 70 or so plan to establish a production company independently, aiming to launch in June.

Because Disney places much emphasis on quality, it sends work out to directly run studios at home and abroad instead of outsourcing.

The company established the unit in Japan because it highly regarded the ability of Japanese artists. However, as successful animated features in the U.S. recently have been done in 3-D using computer graphics, some have pointed out the high costs and low returns of hand-drawn animation.

Disney has already decided to close its studio in Florida. And after the Japan studio is shut down, the only remaining overseas studio will be in Australia.
Does no one far enough up on the food chain realize that this will mortally wound (if not outright kill) Disney as a company? Feature Animation is the foundation stone upon which the rest of the company is built - Why do they keep killing it off?

Sarangel
 
It's really unbelievable. As much as I like the computer graphics, I'll always enjoy the hand drawn animation much more. It's not quite as cold as the CG. Not sure that's a good descriptive word for it, but it's what comes to mind.:(
 
Are is there anyone left now except for the few animatoirs remaining in Burbank?
 
Originally posted by WDWHound
Are is there anyone left now except for the few animatoirs remaining in Burbank?

Not to get into the whole "What Would Walt Do?" thing, but do you think, even though he was a forward-thinking guy, that he would ever have dropped hand drawn features?
 

Walt dropped black and white, he dropped silent movies, he dropped mono sound, he dropped single pane filming, probably a few other old technologies got dropped also.

CGI doesn't mean you don't need animators....it just means you need animators who have get up with technology and learned who to use their God given talents with some new gadgets.
 
Originally posted by KNWVIKING
Walt dropped black and white, he dropped silent movies, he dropped mono sound, he dropped single pane filming, probably a few other old technologies got dropped also.

Hmmm. First motion picture with sound, the multi-plane camera, Technicolor, etc. Walt Disney either created or was the first to use these advances in animation. All of them and many of Walt's other "firsts" paved the road for the best animated features the world has ever seen.

Most importantly, and throughout the Disney glory days, animation was done with animators, from the creative minds and hand of many great geniuses, including nine old men.

Sure you could say that this only paved the way for computer animation, but it's not the same and it never will be. The quality of today's animated features doesn't even come close to that of the early Disney masterpieces.

At least when Walt Disney dropped something, he replaced it with somthing new and exciting, and much better.
 
Everyone that complains about CGI not looking like traditional animation do realize that CGI can be made to look exactly like traditional? And you can reuse the characters much easier. Its a new tool, not the death of animation.
 
If it was only location consolidation and not a total gutting I could understand. Sure with computer animation you only need 5 animators for each major character instead of twenty, but story is still the key, and they are losing their best.
 
Yes, story. Disney seems to have forgotten about story. And music and characters and fairy tales and so on.

Disney seems to be reacting instead of creating nowadays. Some companies have made a lot of money on CGI so Disney seems to assume that's what people want. I personally believe that people want a good story no matter how it's drawn.
 
i agree. storyline is what's important. and there are two different venues to go about it - cg and hand drawn... i mean, in their purest forms, both work. my gut feeling is that if disney abandons its foundation of hand-drawn animation it will lose the essence of what it is to be "disney." just one person's opinion though. a bad storyline - developed either in cg or hand drawn always leads to much disapproval. cg is not the end-all to animation. neither is hand-drawn. twenty years from now there'll probably be something else that's must current and all the buzz....
 
In any venue, it is always story and execution. Disney seems to have become sloppy on both.
 
***"Sure you could say that this only paved the way for computer animation, but it's not the same and it never will be. The quality of today's animated features doesn't even come close to that of the early Disney masterpieces."***

First define "early masterpieces". Are you talking Snow White early, Fantasia early, Lion King early or Lilo & Stitch early. Or are you saying nothing after '65 was as good as pre '65 ?

***"At least when Walt Disney dropped something, he replaced it with somthing new and exciting, and much better."***

Again I'm confused ? Aren't we argueing the same point ? Are you saying Walt would have found something better then TA and it wouldn't have been CGI ?
 
I think there's one thing Walt WOULDN'T have done - he wouldn't have abandoned his creative people for technology alone. All the technology in the world can't replace a creative human brain. I think that's where Disney is dropping the ball.

Those Nine Old Men didn't hang around all those years for nothing.
 
Originally posted by KNWVIKING
First define "early masterpieces". Are you talking Snow White early, Fantasia early, Lion King early or Lilo & Stitch early. Or are you saying nothing after '65 was as good as pre '65 ?

The Lion King (IMO) was the last true Disney masterpiece, and it came at the end of Disney's animation resurgence that began with "Oliver & Co.". As far as pre and post '65 goes, I'm not saying anything about that because we all know that everything pre '65 is without a doubt a classic. (Pinocchio, Peter Pan, Cinderella, even Alice In Wonderland) Post '65, well "Jungle Book" and "The Aristocats" are the only true stand-outs.

As for "Lilo & Stitch", and/or any of the Disney/Pixar film go, they might be cute for the kids, but they lack the emotional connection that the early films had. We are talking about films (cartoons) that have been around for generations. I don't think any of Disney's films from the past five years will be around in 50, 25 or possibly even 10 years from now. (Except for Fantasia 2000)



***Again I'm confused ? Aren't we argueing the same point ? Are you saying Walt would have found something better then TA and it wouldn't have been CGI ?***

Grinningghost make the same point that I was going to make.

Walt's movies had heart and soul. Something that I believe cannot be put into a computer. CGI animators have great talent, but it's just not the same as traditional animators. While I'm sure that Walt would have been intrigued by CGI and he probably would have used it on some projects. He would have never used it to replace traditional animators. He recognized the power of human talent and emotion, and he saw how it could work in animation.

Look at some of the old behind the scenes footage and interviews with Marc Davis, Ward Kimball, et all, and see some of their inspirations. It's just not the same today, and I'm afraid it will never be.
 
Gghost asked if Walt would ever have dropped TA, not would he have fired his animators and decided story didn't matter.

Everything about Walt, IMO, was about doing something new, different and better. He LOVED technology - just look at DL and his plans for MK and Epcot. Did he fire old animators when he developed the multiplane caqmera ? Of course not, they just added that technology to their artistic skills. They would have learned the same skills with CGI.

**"Something that I believe cannot be put into a computer. CGI animators have great talent, but it's just not the same as traditional animators. "***

Tell that to Pixar.

Bottom line is that the market will drive the future of animation.
 
I couldn't find the original article on Yahoo! news anywhere. Do you have a link? Thanks.

:earsboy:
 
Computers are merely a tool, and they are a tool Disney has been increasingly using in its animated films since Aladdin, I believe.

"CGI" is a different way of using them. Would Walt have dumped hand drawn completely?

I don't know.

I do know that he would have been the leader in CGI, not a follower. He wouldn't be looking to build a CGI department 10 years after its emergence, and looking to make distribution deals with other companies who had beat him to the punch.
 
So, what defines a Disney classic?
Some of those so called classics weren't the most popular in their own time.

And Robin Hood was a billion times better then the Aristocats. 101 Dalmations?

And Oliver and Company started the resurgence? I beg to differ.


I don't know what Walt would have done either, but Matt has hit what we do know, he would not have sacrificed story and he would have fought for every animator's job.

Everything since I think Aladdin has had significant amount of Computer animation in it.
 
Originally posted by OnWithTheShow
If it was only location consolidation and not a total gutting I could understand. Sure with computer animation you only need 5 animators for each major character instead of twenty, but story is still the key, and they are losing their best.
According to interviews I've heard with the animator's guild, most of the job loss has been not in the character artists but the background and color folks. Which is not to say Disney animation doesn't have any problems, but job count alone is skewed due to the switch to CGI.
 
Originally posted by exDS vet
As for...any of the Disney/Pixar films..., they might be cute for the kids, but they lack the emotional connection that the early films had....

Walt's movies had heart and soul. Something that I believe cannot be put into a computer.....
Wow, I strongly disagree with this. Toy Story definitely has the makings of a classic.
 












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