It's crap like this......

I agree. And don't our congressmen have better things to do with their time?
 
Do we not have bigger problems in the country than this? I mean, our servicemen and women are being killed daily in Iraq, our economy is still in the toilet and he's concerned over this? I'm glad next year is an election year.
 

Do we not have bigger problems in the country than this? I mean, our servicemen and women are being killed daily in Iraq, our economy is still in the toilet and he's concerned over this? I'm glad next year is an election year.

I couldn't have said it better myself - TIdoublegaER!!
 
Good post RM. I saw the article and was upset also.
 
Why is it SO important that marriage be between a man and a woman? So if no one wants it to be marriage then let it be a civil union. If it's just a matter of words, I am sure that there are many homosexuals out there that will gladly accept another name for it if it means that they can legally acknowledge their relationship.

And why is it so important that sexual relations be between a man and a woman? Who cares...honestly.....
 
Just remember it was not that horribly long ago that white people couldn't marry a native american or a black persons. To be honest, my maternal great grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee and her marriage was illegal because she married a white guy. Someday, the politicians will figure all this out. When that day comes, honey, I am so looking forward to wedding my honey at WDW. I want that overpriced glass carriage ride and the big wedding cake with the castle on the top, dangit! :bounce:

Seriously, I would like to be able to legally wed the woman that has been by my side for the last 4 years. I have so many friends that have such horrible marriages and they tell us that they wish they were as lucky as we are. So, for now, I am content enough to know that we have each other, but dang it would be nice if we could file joint tax returns, get breaks on insurance coverage as a family, have automatic rights to each other's stuff if one of us passes away first, to be able to make medical decisions in an emergency, and that sort of thing. It's little things like this that can make a world of difference in how much peace of mind you have.

Stepping off the soapbox. Mickey
 
I am the HRC e-mail list and just received this e-mail.

With a June 10 decision by the Ontario Court of Appeals in favor of marriage equality for same-sex couples, suddenly it is possible for gay couples in America to travel to Ontario and get married. Many opposite-sex American couples have gone to Ontario over the years to do just that and by tradition and law those marriages have been recognized and honored by every state in America and by the U.S. federal government.

Same-sex couples may soon be able to get married closer to home. The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts is expected to issue any day now its ruling in Goodridge et al vs. Department of Public Health, which challenges the state's denial of marriage licenses to 7 same-sex couples. The decision could result in same-sex couples being able to marry in Massachusetts.

On June 26, the U.S. Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas struck down anti-sodomy laws in the remaining 14 states that had them. The court found that government cannot criminalize and demean gay people and that the Constitution protects the liberty to enter into a same-sex relationship. In his blistering dissent, Justice Scalia wrote that based on the courts ruling on sodomy laws "what justification could there possibly be for the denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples...?"

In light of these developments, opponents of equality for GLBT Americans are sounding the alarm. Fearing that one or more states will honor the Ontario marriage of a same-sex couple, anxious that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court will rule for marriage equality and angry that the U.S. Supreme Court decided to protect the private lives of all Americans, conservative activists are seeking to build anti-gay bias directly into our legal system by amending the U.S. Constitution. The language of the amendment is few in words but clear in its discrimination:

"Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any State, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups."

This amendment must be passed by 2/3 of the House and Senate and ratified by 3/4 of the states in order to change the Constitution. It is a purposely difficult process. The amendment currently has 27 cosponsors in the House and while there is no Senate bill yet, Sen. Majority Leader Bill Frist recently spoke out in favor of this amendment. It is likely that a Senate companion bill will be introduced shortly.

The next few months and years will be defining ones in the history of the GLBT civil rights movement. Some of us will get married, some of us will raise children, some of us -- a lot of us -- will face discrimination. The burden of proof is clearly on our opponents to show why GLBT people should not be treated equally, including in the recognitions of our relationships. At the same time, the Human Rights Campaign is committed to working with other national GLBT organizations, statewide advocacy groups, individual GLBT Americans and their families in advocating unequivocally for marriage and other forms of relationship recognition for same-sex couples. Marriage equality is a basic civil rights issue that we will protect and advance.

That is why it is so important that the proposed Constitutional amendment not succeed. It is the ultimate trump card and the ultimate mechanism to build discrimination into the very document that should protect everyone. Such an amendment would be used by our opponents to not only negate any victories in court but foreclose all recourse to court on marriage equality. Further, it would be used in the same way the sodomy laws were used, to justify other forms of discrimination.
 
OK, call me dense, but what in that article is "scary"? The fact that he doesn't favor gay marriage, or the fact that he had the audacity to say so out loud? He may be the President, but does that mean he has lost his free speech rights?

And I hardly thinking that voicing an opinion took so much valuable time that he won't be able to work on other, more important issues...
 
Oh, and one more question - for everyone that is so outraged at President Bush for expressing his opinion, I'm curious...where all of you as outraged when President Clinton did the same thing during his term?

I'm just trying to calibrate my hypocrisy meter...
 
I think it is a shame that "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" still doesn't apply to all Americans.
 
Yes, President Bush does have the right to voice his OPINION about gay marriages or anything else. Just as all of us do. What he absolutely does NOT have the right to do is to try to pass legislation forcing his PERSONAL beliefs on every citizen of this country. That is exactly what this constitutional amendment proposes to do.
 
It's an opinion, people!!!!!!!!!! Like all Americans, he has a right to it. And you have a right to disagree. I don't think it's the beginning of the downfall of our nation.
 
Originally posted by Disney Doll
It's an opinion, people!!!!!!!!!! Like all Americans, he has a right to it. And you have a right to disagree. I don't think it's the beginning of the downfall of our nation.

I agree.

What he absolutely does NOT have the right to do is to try to pass legislation forcing his PERSONAL beliefs on every citizen of this country. That is exactly what this constitutional amendment proposes to do.

Did you even read the article? President Bush said that he didn't think that a Constitutional amendment was necessary at this point.

And actually, I think you are incorrect. Any President, any legislator, any citizen of this country most certainly does have the right to try to pass any kind of legislation that they choose. That's why the amendment process is so hard - to ensure that one person or one minority group doesn't get to shove their ideas down the throats of everyone else.

Should this amendment come to pass, and should it be adopted, it will have only happened by the Constitutional process that we've all agreed to live by.
 
Just an FYI here, last weekend was Pride week in Toronto and since the Ontario government has legalized gay/lesbian marriages, there were a LOT of couples coming up from the US to be married.

A funny story...... when this decision was before the government, Patrick was watching the news report and then came and asked my opinion on it. I told him it was fine by me, as long as 2 people love each other and want to make that commitment and keep it. He nodded and then signed, "but the poor government, they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't". :) That's my boy!
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I'm more concerned about the House spending time working on a constitutional amendment about this than the President spending time voicing an opinion about it.

I think there are things that should be much higher in their list of priorities-- like maybe Homeland Security, Education, Economy, etc. I'm not too into legislating morality which is what they are considering doing IMHO.
 
I understand what you're saying Donna, I just find all of the gnashing of teeth over a Presidential opinion to be a little overdramatic. He can't make laws, he can only sign laws.
 
OK-i am a little confused-read the article twice-it looks to me like the President is trying to divert Ms. Musgrave from this sillyness. The Congress does not have time to take this up but the president did not start this so how about you point your outrage toward the people who did-Ms Musgrave clearly supported by Senator Frist.
 
Originally posted by jsmith
OK-i am a little confused-read the article twice-it looks to me like the President is trying to divert Ms. Musgrave from this sillyness. The Congress does not have time to take this up but the president did not start this so how about you point your outrage toward the people who did-Ms Musgrave clearly supported by Senator Frist.

Because the people that already hate the President have to come up with what they see as yet another reason to hate him.

I love ripleysmom to death, but let's face it - President Bush could find a cure for cancer tomorrow and RM would find some reason to be pissed off about it.
 


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