Israel and the Berlin Wall

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
ITA, and I'm certainly not saying that the World Court's decision was based on anti-Semitism, but I still think it was a bad decision.

Maybe, maybe not but considering that the court is made up of members of three Arab countries and six countries that have long histories of anti-semitism, I wouldn't be surprised.

And since the ICJ is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, we all know what a strong supporter the UN has proved to be through the years.
 
now, now, let's be fair. anan has recently realized anti-semitism is a worldwide problem that needs to be addresed.

just because it should have been addressed by the UN years ago doesn't mean a thing...
 
Jenny - you are right about Anan. But isn't that recognition about 56 years too late? I'd like ot see what steps he takes to stem the tide of anti-semitism that has recently been on the increase workd-wide as a reaction to the rise in terror. How do you turn around a Security Council that is dominated by pro-Arab interests? It remains to be seen if Ana really intends to do something about it or if he is just paying lip service to the ideal.
 

Originally posted by gometros

I find the objection to Israel's security fence ironic, since about 40 other countries have some kind of wall or security fence guarding their borders, including Saudi Arabia.

Here are some fences that other countries have erected with no outcry from thhe ICJ:

fencesworld.jpg
 
now, gee, why would the world court ignore all those fences and not the one that prevents bombs from exploding in downtown Tel Aviv?
 
One is performed by a groupd of militia men and the other is performed by a free government. I guess the idea is that the government whould react in a more considered way; I have no idea how that would be, but given the enourmous negative vote, I guess it would be very different.



Rich::
 
you do realize, dcentity, that the world holds Israel to a higher standard than any other nation must meet? it's as if the UN said, "yes, we felt guilty about the Holocaust, so we gave you a sliver of land, so just shut up and be grateful for what you've got."

or did you miss the part where other countries have security walls?

Israel has similar barriers along its borders with Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. In fact, a fence already surrounds the Gaza Strip and not a single suicide bomber has managed to get across the Gaza barrier into Israel. Ironically, after condemning Israel's barrier, the UN announced plans to build its own fence to improve security around its New York headquarters.


Although critics have sought to portray the security fence as a kind of "Berlin Wall," it is nothing of the sort. First, unlike the Berlin Wall, the fence does not separate one people, Germans from Germans, and deny freedom to those on one side. Israel's security fence separates two peoples, Israelis and Palestinians, and offers freedom and security for both. Second, while Israelis are fully prepared to live with Palestinians, and 20 percent of the Israeli population is already Arab, it is the Palestinians who say they do not want to live with any Jews and call for the West Bank to be judenrein. Third, the fence is not being constructed to prevent the citizens of one state from escaping; it is designed solely to keep terrorists out of Israel. Finally, only a tiny fraction of the barrier (less than 3% or about 15 miles) is actually a 30 foot high concrete wall, and that is being built in three areas where it will prevent Palestinian snipers from around the terrorist hotbeds of Kalkilya and Tul Karm from shooting at cars as they have done for the last three years along the Trans-Israel Highway, one of the country's main roads. The wall also takes up less space than the other barriers, only about seven feet, so it did not have a great impact on the area where it was built.

interestingly

The so-called “Green Line,” however, was not an internationally recognized border, it ws an armistice line between Israel and Jordan pending the negotiation of a final border. Building the fence along that line would have been a political statement and would not accomplish the principal goal of the barrier, namely, the prevention of terror.

Palestinians complain that the fence creates “facts on the ground,” but most of the area incorporated within the fence is expected to be part of Israel in any peace agreement with the Palestinians. Israeli negotiators have always envisioned the future border to be the 1967 frontier with modifications to minimize the security risk to Israel and maximize the number of Jews living within the State. When the Palestinians stop the violence and negotiate in good faith, it may be possible to remove the fence, move it, or open it in a way that offers freedom of movement. Israel, for example, moved a similar fence when it withdrew from southern Lebanon. The fence may stimulate the Palestinians to take action against the terrorists because the barrier has shown them there is a price to pay for sponsoring terrorism.

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