Is this insulting to you?

This is what I am saying is silly. What is offensive about dressing up like an innocuous movie character? People choosing to be offended by something so minor are trying to control other people. Lets just say its about them not about the white make up.

I think it is about the white makeup. I didn't see anyone criticizing the choice of the costume. However, the white makeup would probably be really inconvenient, and would cause confusion since it would probably be confused with geisha makeup. If there is some connection with Chinese culture, it's something really obscure and likely to cause a lot of confusion.

I mean - it's not as if there's a whole lot of room for criticism should someone cover their face in a dark brown color, would there?
 
The issue of costume, actually, really doesn't apply on Halloween so much, because what makes this sort of thing offensive is about pretending to REALLY be something you are not (and especially about getting paid to do so.) On Halloween, EVERYONE is pretending to be something they are not, so the standard isn't nearly so high. (Of course, some costumes always come off in bad taste, so there is still a line; ethnic caricature should always be avoided.)

I think that the white face paint isn't nearly so much the issue, as is not using makeup to attempt to change the shape of her eyes. Make them dramatic, yes, but almond-shaped, no. The point is not to allow the portrayal to slide from costuming into caricature. (I also agree that the full white-face treatment might be a bit much for a child that age at a school event.)

The primary situations that get people up in arms about cultural "costuming" are those concerning paid actors. If a role calls for someone of a particular ethnicity, it *is* beyond insulting to hire someone of a different ethnicity and use makeup to try to fake it, when an actor of that ethnicity could have done the job. The latest situation of this sort was the casting of Emma Stone as a Eurasian woman in the film Aloha, but it first really caused controversy with the original casting of Miss Saigon, in which Welsh actor Jonathan Pryce was cast as the Eurasian pimp, the Engineer. (He was great in the role, true, but the Asian actors who have played the part since have also done very good work.) Some people will even take it back to Yul Brynner in the King and I, but Brynner actually WAS asian (he was of Russian Tatar descent)
 
In Vietnam, a lot of women will completely cover themselves to avoid tanning - even in a tropical climate.

Korea, too. But part of those face coverings are face masks to protect them from germs and pollution as well. Many MANY Asians wear those now. When DH was in Beijing and Shanghai even he wore them because both cities were just grey with pollution. But my point is that that picture shows a double whammy of women protecting themselves.
 
Oh my God. I can't believe how many people get offended so easily! I'm mexican and I know how people in the USA (and the entire world) see my culture. Mustaches, sombreros, maracas and tacos. And that's it. I see people dressing up as mexicans on Halloween, "imitating" us by doing stupid things. Heck, yeah, it's not pretty, but it's the stereotype and I can't change that. I can chose how I feel tho. I can get upset and throw a fit every time I see it happening or I can just shrug it off and move on. I know what my culture is about and that's what matters!

Your kid is just dressing up as one of her favorite characters! And this character wore heavy makeup on screen. You can paint her for the parade and after that remove it so she's comfortable playing with her friends.
 
Korea, too. But part of those face coverings are face masks to protect them from germs and pollution as well. Many MANY Asians wear those now. When DH was in Beijing and Shanghai even he wore them because both cities were just grey with pollution. But my point is that that picture shows a double whammy of women protecting themselves.

Have you heard of the facekini? I've seen various images of its use. Some women are just wearing normal beachwear, but wear these to keep the face and neck from tanning. Others completely cover up to try and prevent all tanning. However, it's really putting a premium of light facial skin.

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When my MIL was living, I pretty much didn't care to hear her opinions. If I was in your shoes, I would not like it that my MIL was giving me an opinion about MY child's costume. She had her kids, she had her chance to do as she pleased with her kids.

Regarding Mulan, both of my girls dressed like Mulan for a few Halloweens and also brought their costumes with them to DW and waved to Mulan when she was in the parade at DHS, and while they met Mulan in EPCOT. Never once have they worn white face make-up like when Mulan meets the matchmaker. I have never seen any Mulan at DW wear white make-up. You and your child can decide what is right for YOUR family! No one else's opinion really matters.
 
Ultimately, nobody can stop you. You will hurt feelings and offend people. No amount of people saying, "it doesn't bother ME!" changes the fact that there will be people who feel sad, disrespected and shamed by that choice. It's up to you to decide whether that's enough to make you not use the make up.
 
Ultimately, nobody can stop you. You will hurt feelings and offend people. No amount of people saying, "it doesn't bother ME!" changes the fact that there will be people who feel sad, disrespected and shamed by that choice. It's up to you to decide whether that's enough to make you not use the make up.

That seems a little dramatic.
 
Oh my God. I can't believe how many people get offended so easily! I'm mexican and I know how people in the USA (and the entire world) see my culture. Mustaches, sombreros, maracas and tacos. And that's it. I see people dressing up as mexicans on Halloween, "imitating" us by doing stupid things. Heck, yeah, it's not pretty, but it's the stereotype and I can't change that. I can chose how I feel tho. I can get upset and throw a fit every time I see it happening or I can just shrug it off and move on. I know what my culture is about and that's what matters!

Your kid is just dressing up as one of her favorite characters! And this character wore heavy makeup on screen. You can paint her for the parade and after that remove it so she's comfortable playing with her friends.

I totally understand what you are saying that other people shouldn't be so offended. On the other hand, you are saying that it isn't ideal to play a stereotype or try to imitate a race, even on Halloween.
So while the white face paint might not be insulting per se, it might be seen as stereotypical or cultural appropriation.
I just think that full make-up on a child that could be construed as changing skin color or being stereotypical should be avoided.

I don't think the proposed costume is wrong or offensive, but it is iffy. I think there could also be confusion if she is dressing her child like Mulan or a geisha.
 
You know what they say about being offended and shamed....
The only person who can possibly, ever, be responsible for feeling ashamed is one's self.

If this girl chooses to wear full white 'geisha' make-up.... that has nothing to do with anybody else's opinion or 'shame', at all.

And the only person that should really be ashamed is the person making the choices.

I hope the OP does exactly what she wants to choose to do, without having to be vested in so many other peoples opinions and issues.

Just, for me, I wouldn't want my young girl to be in full make-up.
But, that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not others might feel 'respected', or choose to be so personally offended.

And, note, that has nothing to do with cultural political correctness.
 
Thanks for that image, Disneyfan.
I totally agree.

If I decided to dress up in Colonial American dress, with the white wig, etc... If a guy dresses as George Washington... If I wanted to dress as a saloon-girl, It is a total and ridiculous stretch to think I am 'disrespecting a culture', and/or portraying a stereotype, and even one that is automatically assumed to be negative.

It's a freakin' Halloween costume.

People need to get a grip.
 
HEY!!!!!
This Halloween I think I will dress up as one of those Asian Beach Ladies in that photo!
My DH can be a Sumo Wrestler.
 
How so? The make up will offend some people. They will feel the way they feel. The OP gets to decide whether that changes her actions.

Because I truly believe nobody will feel shamed. I mean realistically there are many who practice Wiccan and consider themselves witches, so is that costume offensive. ..especially anyone who would paint their face green the most popular, but inaccurate portrayal of a witch. How about vikings, Pilgrims etc. there are so many costumes that are based off of television and not necessarily the culture and I think this is one of them. In reality many disney costumes can have that impact on people because disney movies are notorious for perpetuating stereotypes.
 
Because I truly believe nobody will feel shamed. I mean realistically there are many who practice Wiccan and consider themselves witches, so is that costume offensive. ..especially anyone who would paint their face green the most popular, but inaccurate portrayal of a witch. How about vikings, Pilgrims etc. there are so many costumes that are based off of television and not necessarily the culture and I think this is one of them. In reality many disney costumes can have that impact on people because disney movies are notorious for perpetuating stereotypes.

Lots of people have been very vocal recently in the media about how such things do make them feel shamed, so I'm pretty confident that they do. (And yes, there are Wiccans who find that costume offensive.) The question here is not whether you or I or the OP are offended but whether someone else will be. Lots of someones have said they will. You and I and the OP all get to decide to what extent that shapes our behavior, but it's valid to acknowledge that the feelings exist even if we decide they are not the determining factor for our actions. My father is embarrassed that I swear. He doesn't get to stop me, but I also don't get to pretend it doesn't bother him. I just get to decide that being constrained by that is not how my life is going to go.

We can decide that people are over sensitive. We can decide that it's not our problem. What we can't do (at least, not with any sort of validity) is to pretend that those people don't feel the way they feel. Not every hurt feeling requires action, but every hurt feeling at least deserves to be recognized, even if not addressed.
 
Lots of people have been very vocal recently in the media about how such things do make them feel shamed, so I'm pretty confident that they do. (And yes, there are Wiccans who find that costume offensive.) The question here is not whether you or I or the OP are offended but whether someone else will be. Lots of someones have said they will. You and I and the OP all get to decide to what extent that shapes our behavior, but it's valid to acknowledge that the feelings exist even if we decide they are not the determining factor for our actions. My father is embarrassed that I swear. He doesn't get to stop me, but I also don't get to pretend it doesn't bother him. I just get to decide that being constrained by that is not how my life is going to go.

We can decide that people are over sensitive. We can decide that it's not our problem. What we can't do (at least, not with any sort of validity) is to pretend that those people don't feel the way they feel. Not every hurt feeling requires action, but every hurt feeling at least deserves to be recognized, even if not addressed.

I guess yes every decision we make every single day can negatively or positively impact others and yes we do have to decide where each of us draws the line, but the reality is you cannot please everyone. I just don't think there is a high likelihood that this little girl will encounter someone who truly feels shamed by this costume and is ok if that is what she wants as part of her costume. pointing out that some will feel shamed when it is unlikely this girl will cause that reaction is what is dramatic IMO.
 
I guess yes every decision we make every single day can negatively or positively impact others and yes we do have to decide where each of us draws the line, but the reality is you cannot please everyone. I just don't think there is a high likelihood that this little girl will encounter someone who truly feels shamed by this costume and is ok if that is what she wants as part of her costume. pointing out that some will feel shamed when it is unlikely this girl will cause that reaction is what is dramatic IMO.

People have told us that such outfits make them feel a certain way and I'm not going to tell them that they don't feel that way. I make a policy of not telling other people how they feel. YMMV.
 
People have told us that such outfits make them feel a certain way and I'm not going to tell them that they don't feel that way. I make a policy of not telling other people how they feel. YMMV.

I also make it a policy to not tell people how to feel and not sure why you are quoting me as if I am . I don't think anyone is saying there won't be people somewhere in the world feeling that way, but the likelihood of this girl causing it is slim and shouldn't impact the decision to use makeup if her dd is looking forward to it.

Vegetarians will feel disgusted and offended by me talking about my pot roast at the next PTA meeting, but I know the likelihood of that happening is slim so I feel it's ok to bring it up.
 












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