Is this cutting the line or what!?

[hulagirl87]

but how about don't get in line until you are good and ready to get in line... (after you have gone to the bathroom, changed a diaper, gotten food/drink). wouldn't that solve a lot of the line cutting? Going to the bathroom takes what? 2-3 minutes? and changing a diaper? less than 5? yeah, you've lost a lot of time in line there! You're on vacation - what's the rush? Get your party together and then get in line

 

[Hawk]

The problem with this whole "line cutting" theory is that we all have different thoughts on what cutting line is. To me, if you get in line, you have a spot in line for you and your family. You've gotten your space. To me, line cutting is getting into line when you weren't there to begin with. I would also include it when you're at school and waiting in line and your best friend who hasn't been anywhere near the line comes up and wants to stand in line with you, and you let them.


We all have different ideas about what is okay and what isn't for our families, but we just have to remember that the World is a big place and we won't all think alike. I think we set a better example for our children when we can show tolerance and respect than we can by putting them Line Cutting 101.

I guess I'll respond to this one. I agree with the above poster and some of the prior posts. What are we all about here? It appears many go to WDW and lose all sensibility! If Dad or Mom or Sibling or Grandparent etc., needs to get back in line do to bathroom, stroller or slow walking WHY NOT! Are we so determined "not to let anybody cut in front of us" as to prevent a family from enjoying the ride and WDW? C'mon. A group of kids playing around-ok I can see it not happening. Are any of us actually going to be so taken advantage of if mom put the stroller away or Dad took jr. to the restroom and now wants to rejoin the family that it will cause us to lose sleep? Who cares! Geez, I hope some of the people with the negative responses are not the same "I use the same Mug from year to year", "I go from pool to pool", or "Why can't I have six in a room" people! No doubt that if it’s an abuse then it is rather annoying. Is it happening all the time? How many times has it happened to you? I have seen it many times, but not enough to get worked up about it. To me this is the same as giving up your seat on the bus to someone who needs to sit down. You don't have to do it, but you feel good doing it.

Ok repeat mug users - come and get me.

Tim/Hawk

 

[Cmbar]

but how about don't get in line until you are good and ready to get in line... (after you have gone to the bathroom, changed a diaper, gotten food/drink). wouldn't that solve a lot of the line cutting? Going to the bathroom takes what? 2-3 minutes? and changing a diaper? less than 5? yeah, you've lost a lot of time in line there! You're on vacation - what's the rush? Get your party together and then get in line

Hulagirl.... Your good girl! You can pee, change your kids poopy diaper and get everyone washed up in 7 minutes flat. I am impressed! I'm guessing your little ones never say "Mommy, I gotta gooooooo!" You even have them trained to hold it for a 45 minute wait for Peter Pan!

 

[Yacht Club Family]

Good grief! Can anyone remember when people used to be considerate and helpful and actually encourage an obvious parent with a toddler to go ahead and rejoin the rest of the family up ahead of them. *gasp* I've actually seen it and *double-gasp* actually let someone rejoin her husband in front of me... Oh, and I let a VERY pregnant woman back into line at Peter Pan (pre fastpass days) because she had to visit the loo mid-way through the wait. She wasn't cutting back in line, but I'm sure some people griped and complained about seeing her come back. So what if it made me wait a few more minutes (most of the time there is sufficient space in a Peter Pan ship or boat row to accomodate 3-4 people).

Look for some pixie dust people and breathe deeply!

....it's an anal-retentive world after all.... Seriously, relax people, it's a theme park.

 

[va32h]

I just don't see how being on a ride while the others are waiting in the line wouldn't be cutting.

What if mom and junior are riding one ride, while dad gets in line for another. Then mom hands junior over to dad, and gets in a third line for a third ride. Is that cutting because they were on any ride during the wait period?

What if dad holds the place in line while mom takes daughter to the potty. When they get back, only daughter gets back in line with dad, mom goes to the exit to wait. Is that cutting because they were in the bathroom while others were waiting in line?

Perhaps there should be a rule about playing games while waiting in line, because after all, it wouldn't be fair to do anything but actually wait while you are in line. I can just hear the announcement now. If you people want to look for Hidden Mickeys or play I Spy or tic tac toe, go find a bench! The line is for waiting only.

 

[brytorlyn]

but how about don't get in line until you are good and ready to get in line... (after you have gone to the bathroom, changed a diaper, gotten food/drink). wouldn't that solve a lot of the line cutting? Going to the bathroom takes what? 2-3 minutes? and changing a diaper? less than 5? yeah, you've lost a lot of time in line there! You're on vacation - what's the rush? Get your party together and then get in line

We ususally only leave a line for a bathroom emergency ...not food and drinks...I agree that snacking can be done before you line up. Some of us have medical conditions that make it impossible to predict a bathroom break and you do lose a lot of time if you are in a long line 15 minutes and you need to leave. Should I remove my family only to start the waiting procedure again?? I agree that this a vacation and I think everyone should relax more so you comment "what's the rush?" can be turned around to those waiting in line... lighten up and let people slip back in after the bathroom break.

I have heard of people confronting people coming back into line and I would be mortified if some onequestioned me about this uncomfortable situation! It's DISNEY..be kind and show your DISNEY spirit!!!

 

[Cmbar]

What if mom and junior are riding one ride, while dad gets in line for another. Then mom hands junior over to dad, and gets in a third line for a third ride. Is that cutting because they were on any ride during the wait period?

What if dad holds the place in line while mom takes daughter to the potty. When they get back, only daughter gets back in line with dad, mom goes to the exit to wait. Is that cutting because they were in the bathroom while others were waiting in line?

Perhaps there should be a rule about playing games while waiting in line, because after all, it wouldn't be fair to do anything but actually wait while you are in line. I can just hear the announcement now. If you people want to look for Hidden Mickeys or play I Spy or tic tac toe, go find a bench! The line is for waiting only.

I still think the Fast Pass System is the worst offender of Cutting!! I mean I have gone on two rides, while the little fastpass machine saved me a space in line between 12:05 and 1:05. And look at all those people I am cutting when I go in the "cut" line! OOOOH and I have even given my fastpass to someone other than myself!!!!! I let my nephew ride Space mountain twice because I wanted to go to the bathroom instead! Can you believe it and I was the one who stood in line to get the little machine to kick out a ticket!

 

[Kanikazi]

If it doesn't make me wait any longer, I don't care.

Exactly my thought! The ethics of line cutting are very simple: if you make the line longer for everyone behind you, you are evil and will eventually be banished to the seventh level of hades ; if you are not making the line or wait longer for those behind you, then you are still walking the Disney straight and narrow .

The implication seems to be that you must "earn" your ride by waiting in line as long as everyone else has to wait in line. This may be true for older kids and adults, but I think we should give the little kids some leeway as long as it isn't making the line longer.

 

[kimberh]

I haven't read this whole post, I think the Op description of how she saw Dumbo done is Great. In all the years of going, my family has never been able to do this ride because the line was long and longer. We are taking the grandchildren in Oct and I am telling my daughter about this. I don't see it any different as child swapping. This is how we do characters when we are all together. We are all waiting in line so there is no line cutting so don't even go there. We don't get in the same line over and over but we split up so we aren't at the characters forever. Just wanted to clarify that.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Actually, the person who holds the magical kid swap ticket can take up to 3 people with him or her, so Mom, older kid, Aunt Edna and Ralph from Sheboygan who took your family photo in front of the big ball could all ride on one precious kid swap ticket.

Aha! So THAT'S how Ralph gets on so many rides so quickly! Thanks, thunderbird!

Do you consider it line cutting or inappropriate when one person from a family stands in line at a counter service food place and gets food for all six people in his family when they aren't in line with you? Why aren't they in line? Because they went and saved a table for the whole family. If you wanted to be prime and proper about it, the whole family should stand in line and order their food and then all go and find a table together. If Little Timmy and Daddy aren't in line, Mommy shouldn't be able to order them food, because she might be taking the food of the person standing behind her

Disney is highly unlikely to run out of food. The irritating issue HERE is people taking up a table with no food while others who've already gotten their meals wander around searching in vain while their food gets cold.

Don't really have an opinion on this one way or the other, but if you assume the second parent wouldn't be in line at all but for the swap, I suspect this practice does cause your wait to be longer.

Not necessarily. It could easily be the parents who like the ride so much that they DO choose to ride it multiple times, using their toddler as a cover.

If Dad or Mom or Sibling or Grandparent etc., needs to get back in line do to bathroom, stroller or slow walking WHY NOT! Are we so determined "not to let anybody cut in front of us" as to prevent a family from enjoying the ride and WDW?

Not at all. But the party should wait for its delayed members to all arrive at the attraction BEFORE getting in line.

 

[hulagirl87]

Hulagirl.... Your good girl! You can pee, change your kids poopy diaper and get everyone washed up in 7 minutes flat. I am impressed! I'm guessing your little ones never say "Mommy, I gotta gooooooo!" You even have them trained to hold it for a 45 minute wait for Peter Pan!

I don't have kids, but thanks. All I was saying was that the normal pee break takes mere moments as does a diaper change (as I know from being with my neices and nephew). Why don't you just check to see if anyone needs to go to the bathroom before you get in the 45 minute line? I understand that emergencies come up don't get me wrong, I have IBS, I know. But I would never think of getting back in line where I had just gotten out of just because I had to use the bathroom. My belief is that your space in line is yours until you get up to ride the ride. If you have to leave for any reason, you give up your space and you go to the end. And if you are waiting 45 minutes for Peter Pan, my recommendation is the fast pass.

 

[DebbieB]

Aha! So THAT'S how Ralph gets on so many rides so quickly! Thanks, thunderbird!

Disney is highly unlikely to run out of food. The irritating issue HERE is people taking up a table with no food while others who've already gotten their meals wander around searching in vain while their food gets cold.

That bugged me on a trip a couple of weeks ago. My 12 year old niece & I ate lunch at the Backlot Express at MGM. The lines were long, it probably took 20 to 30 minutes to get to the front of the line. Then we couldn't find a table. Many tables were taken by people just sitting there waiting. It wouldn't make sense for everyone to stand in line but it doesn't seem right that people are holding tables when they are not eating. I wasn't comfortable sending my niece out alone to find a table. We walked around for a while before finding one in the sun.

 

[TinkerbellMama]

Don't really have an opinion on this one way or the other, but if you assume the second parent wouldn't be in line at all but for the swap, I suspect this practice does cause your wait to be longer.

Well, if the second parent got in line with the first parent and the child at the original time, there is a chance they would not have fit comfortably in the same Dumbo. In that scenario, the same number of Dumbos (2) is going to be utilized by this family within a very short period of time. The only difference is that Junior gets to ride twice, and neither Mom nor Dad has to ride alone. I suppose if Mom or Dad wouldn't otherwise ride at all, ever, for any reason other than to get Junior a second ride, then your suspicion would be correct. Or if Mom and Dad are both skinny and the child is extremely small!

 

[TinkerbellMama]

I don't have kids, but thanks. All I was saying was that the normal pee break takes mere moments as does a diaper change (as I know from being with my neices and nephew).

Unfortunately, toddlers who are potty learning take wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy longer than that. You'll see.

 

[hockeymomoftwo]

And where do we get our list of "approved guest loading methods"? Is this little piece of literature handed out with our park tickets?

I've never seen a cast member stop a family from doing the child relay, which says to me that Disney has a tacit acceptance of the practice.

Personally, I think the baby-swappers are worse than the child-relay families. I think it's ridiculous that baby swap couples get to bring other adults with them "so they don't have to experience the attraction alone". The third adult gets to ride twice in a row because...because grown people cannot bear to go through Splash Mountain all by themselves?

Anyway, we tour in the off season, so wait times are all but irrelevant. But if you do happen to see us in the parks, and we are doing the relay, feel free to tsk tsk and feel morally superior to us.

I was really thankful for the child swap option at disney land. It gave both of us parents an opportunity to ride with our son who was able to ride while the other parent waited with the toddler. Made it more enjoyable for all of us as toddler didn't have to wait too long in ride lines that he didn't even get to ride on. It was just part of adding to our magical experience which is what everyone here is aiming for.

 

[BlindTyldak]

The Chuck Bubba Relay is not cutting. here, I'll show you how.

Lets say my family is riding dumbo - me, my DH, and my DD6. If we all went on at the same time, the total number of elephants taken would be 2: DH and DD in one, me in another.

Now lets say I let 32 people go in front of me (if it was 32, don't have the book here at work). DH and DD ride. Ride stops, DH and DD get off, I get on, DD joins me. Total number of Elephants taken: 2. Does DD get to ride twice? Yep. Is she taking up a space that someone else could have had? Not at all. Unless you'd like to volunteer your children to ride with my 6 foot DH with hair down to his waist and tattoos instead!

Actually my biggest problem with Chuck Bubba is simply, it hardly ever works, and people hold up the line TRYING to make it work. if they ever put a halt to it I would think it would be just because n00bs trying it for the first time cause quite a bit of commotion. We don't even bother because the chances of being able to count off the exact number of people and figure out if they are riding together is next to impossible.

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

I don't have kids, but thanks. All I was saying was that the normal pee break takes mere moments as does a diaper change (as I know from being with my neices and nephew). Why don't you just check to see if anyone needs to go to the bathroom before you get in the 45 minute line? I understand that emergencies come up don't get me wrong, I have IBS, I know. But I would never think of getting back in line where I had just gotten out of just because I had to use the bathroom. My belief is that your space in line is yours until you get up to ride the ride. If you have to leave for any reason, you give up your space and you go to the end. And if you are waiting 45 minutes for Peter Pan, my recommendation is the fast pass.

I agree with you in theory, but there are situations where you have to leave a line to use the bathroom. In preFP days, I once waited in line (at Alien Encounter of all things, I didn't even like it) for almost three hours. After about two, I needed to *go*. Should I have given up and started from scratch? and waited another three hour period? All the people around me remembered my face from the previous two hours when I returned ten minutes later and didn't really seem to care that I had stepped out to use the BR.

Now, with FP's, this probably wouldn't be as likely, but it does happen. There are also medical conditions- from everyday diarrhea and gas to more advanced conditions like prostate disease, kidney problems, bladder problems, not to mention feminine conditions, etc. that can cause a sudden need to locate a bathroom. I had one of these particular situations on a ride line after I'd been waiting about 40 minutes or so, and my cousin ended up having to ride alone because I was still in the restroom. The CM saw what had happened and motioned me to come over and put us both on again- without a wait. I didn't expect that and I wouldn't expect it again, but sometimes things do happen no matter how well we plan.

While I do not agree with line cutting at all, and I would never plan to evade any wait time, if there is a situation like this, I would hope that those around me would not consider it line cutting if someone steps out for a serious need for a moment after having waited for a considerable amount of time.

Now, thirty cheerleaders joining the two girls in front of me holding a spot on line at TOT? While giggling and shouting? That is cutting!! Yes, I've been there, too.

 

[va32h]

I was really thankful for the child swap option at disney land. It gave both of us parents an opportunity to ride with our son who was able to ride while the other parent waited with the toddler. Made it more enjoyable for all of us as toddler didn't have to wait too long in ride lines that he didn't even get to ride on. It was just part of adding to our magical experience which is what everyone here is aiming for.

And that's what the child-relay people are doing. Adding to their magical experience by employing a method that allows their child to ride Dumbo twice. And I'm sure it's every bit as enjoyable for them as the child swap option is for you.

That's the point I was trying to make - I think the child swap option is unnecessary, but Disney allows it, so who cares what I think?

That's how I feel about the relay - some people may think it's unnecessary, but Disney allows it so...

 

[slo]

So you only care depending on the age of the child? What if the 5 y/o looked like he was 7? I don't understand?

This is a very good point, and now I"m feeling quite quilty for saying what I said . I actually do have a friend that has a 9 year old DD that looks like she is about 13 because of her height. She has always been extremely tall for age, and has always been mistaken for being an older age than what she was. Thanks for making this point

 

[PaulaSue]

Honestly I think it is a good deal and very fair. Someone is waiting in line so they are not butting.