Is this acceptable or considered cutting in line?

[kadesha]

The only time that I feel that "line cutting" is ok is when a member of the party has to go to the restroom. I'd love to send my DH after fastpasses while we wait in line but I don't feel that is considerate or approperiate.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I'm always amazed at how long these "controversial" threads can go.

IMO, there's really three issues here:

1. how do you personally react to others who "technically" aren't following the rules? For me, life's too short to get upset. I learned a long time ago that road rage doesn't do me any good. That same philosophy applies at WDW. Don't let others ruin your day. Yes, there may be an egregious exception or two, but overall I think it's best to relax. As I am getting ready this morning for my kid's two baseball games, I read the horrible story about the 16 year old Missouri baseball player, whose Dad just returned from Iraq, that died in a baseball game this week after being hit just below the helmet by a wild pitch. Life's too short.

2. What do you do when at WDW? Do you purposely break the "rules" (i.e. not waiting to join the line as a family, using last year's resort mug, pool hopping, etc.) or do you try your best to follow the rules. Again, that's your own decision as no one's going to throw you out to the park for getting the FP and jumping in line. If you feel that no one in line is harmed then that's your decision to get in line. Yes, for Pooh it probably didn't affect anyone. For other rides, it could. If everyone did it, then it becomes an issue but who is "everyone".

3. The DIS differs from WDW. People can say things more anonymously here that they wouldn't say. It's not representative of what happens at WDW. If someone is upset about this issue (or another one) on the DIS, it doesn't necessarily mean they are going to say something or do something at WDW if confronted with that situation. Instead, they are just responding to someone's question specifically asking for your opinion. If someone asks for an opinion as the OP did, why berate others for voicing that opinion. I find it hypocritical when posters get upset and nasty in their posts when telling others not to get upset and nasty at WDW. And this goes for those on both sides of the argument.

In short, is there really a "right" or "wrong" answer to an opinion?

 

[Tara922c]

I think the OP asked a simple question about a hypothetical situation. Not everyone knows everything there is to know about Disney. I worked at Disney for 5 months, been about 5 times other than that, and there has been so much things I have learned from these boards. The thing is there are way too many hypothetical situations for this topic!! If someone has to use the restroom it is okay... Well really how do you know if someone is leaving to go pee, or if they are leaving to go get FP? Maybe they are leaving to take their kid on a ride with no line, while mom waits for 2 hours to ride that particular ride? Who knows? It is okay for a Dad with a small kid to meet up with his family, but it is not okay for a group of Brazilians to see their friends way up in the line, and move their way up to the line to ride with their friends. Kid needs to pee, do we let him pee, or do we say, "sorry kid should have taken care of your business first". Some will say, "well I am at Disney by myself, what if I need to pee, no one can hold my spot, it's not fair, and if I can't do it than neither should your 3 year old, who has been potty trained for 6 months, and about to poo his pants". Well I bet if you were towards the front of the line, and you told a CM the situation, I bet he would give you a FP to return after you did your business. I can see both sides of the story. No, I would not send my dh to go grab FP's while we were waiting in line. It is a line, we wait together, and ride together. Plus, I don't want to squeeze my way through a narrow line. No, I wouldn't go take my child on a walk, or to get a drink while in line. I will have a bottle water in my bag, and I wont wait in any line my child cannot handle. Since my DD just turned 2, we wont wait more that 30 minutes, if I miss a ride, I miss a ride. If I have to pee, I will try to hold it until the start of the ride, or until I see a CM, and ask them if there is a way I can exit, and enter quickly because again, I don't want to squeeze my way through the line. If I see a dad ask to get by to be with his family, I will move to the side. Why? because I have been counting down the days to this trip. I do not know when my next trip is going to be. I am not going to let one man put me in a sour mood. There are so many ifs, ands, and buts with the whole line cutting situation. Everyone is going to have a different opinion on what is okay, and what is not okay, well that is okay for them, but not okay for them. I think many people who are breaking the rules, don't even know that they are breaking rules. What is acceptable to one person, is just plain wrong to another. Go to Disney, have a good time, and do what you think is right!

To the OP- I don't see an advantage for your family to enter the Pooh line, while your DH gets FP for Peter Pan. The rides are close by each other, you can get a FP for Peter Pan, and then all enter Pooh. The Pooh line is very narrow, and it may be difficult for your DH to make his way through. If you are going through the FP line of Pooh, you may get on the ride before your husband gets back with the FP.

 

[katiebsmom]

Honestly, It would not bother me in the least if someone did this. I'm a very tolerant person and in the grand scheme of things, ONE or even two people passing me up in line is not going to throw the world off of it's axis. I mean how much would it really effect your "happy" vacation if you're delayed two or three seats on a ride???

 

[Leggyb]

I'm always amazed at how long these "controversial" threads can go.

IMO, there's really three issues here:

1. how do you personally react to others who "technically" aren't following the rules? For me, life's too short to get upset. I learned a long time ago that road rage doesn't do me any good. That same philosophy applies at WDW. Don't let others ruin your day. Yes, there may be an egregious exception or two, but overall I think it's best to relax. As I am getting ready this morning for my kid's two baseball games, I read the horrible story about the 16 year old Missouri baseball player, whose Dad just returned from Iraq, that died in a baseball game this week after being hit just below the helmet by a wild pitch. Life's too short.

2. What do you do when at WDW? Do you purposely break the "rules" (i.e. not waiting to join the line as a family, using last year's resort mug, pool hopping, etc.) or do you try your best to follow the rules. Again, that's your own decision as no one's going to throw you out to the park for getting the FP and jumping in line. If you feel that no one in line is harmed then that's your decision to get in line. Yes, for Pooh it probably didn't affect anyone. For other rides, it could. If everyone did it, then it becomes an issue but who is "everyone".

3. The DIS differs from WDW. People can say things more anonymously here that they wouldn't say. It's not representative of what happens at WDW. If someone is upset about this issue (or another one) on the DIS, it doesn't necessarily mean they are going to say something or do something at WDW if confronted with that situation. Instead, they are just responding to someone's question specifically asking for your opinion. If someone asks for an opinion as the OP did, why berate others for voicing that opinion. I find it hypocritical when posters get upset and nasty in their posts when telling others not to get upset and nasty at WDW. And this goes for those on both sides of the argument.

In short, is there really a "right" or "wrong" answer to an opinion?

I really think KSDisneyDad hit the nail right on the head with this comment. In fact, I had the notion that I was going to add to this but after reading it again, you said everything I wanted to say. So I have nothing to add except I totally agree. Opinions are opinions.

 

[puntagordabob]

I see no problem with it

 

[aubriee]

Oh, sure, it'd be fine... oh, except, oops. I travel alone. I don't have anyone to hold my place in line. If I have need to leave a line to go to the bathroom, I have NO choice BUT to wait in line all over again.

Same here! I travel alone several times a year to WDW, so have no one to run get fast passes for me or to hold my place in line if I decide I need to go sit somewhere to cool off or go potty. If I need to do any of those things, I leave the line, then come back to the end of the line and wait all over again, like everyone should.

As far as kids go, that's a bunch of bull. Having kids does not make you special. I travel alone frequently with my grand daughter and have since she was four y/o. She's always been my little travel buddy. She knew even at that age that we must wait in lines and that if she had to get out of line for some reason then we must start over at the back of the line. It was never a problem. Sorry, but the OP's scenario is line cutting plain and simple.

I may be considered a witch for it, but I for one do not put up with line cutters. More than once I've had people say they are trying to catch up with their friends or family. I say fine, let me help you, what are their names. I will then yell "Hey John, your friend wants you to meet him back here. Come on back." If someone tries to push past me, I have no problem giving them the evil eye and telling them that if they try it, I'll be yelling for a CM so fast their head will spin. It ain't happening. If more people would do this, there would not be as much line cutting going on. I got into a conversation one time with a CM about it and was told by both him and also a couple of other CMs that joined us, that line cutting was definitely against the rules, but because other visitors don't raise a stink about it, most CMs don't bother to enforce it, because they don't like confronting guests. If other people would say something, then the CMs would always force the line cutter back.

 

[tomu570]

Whether you consider it cutting or not cutting, moral or immoral, right or wrong, until Disney puts up a big sign with a Mickey on it that states "at no time shall anyone catch up to his or her own party while in line" than by Disney rule it is acceptable behavior. Whether you care to agree or not is moot.

Get over it and go do something with your day.

 

[inkkognito]

I agree for a couple of family/party members, but I have seen the kids from Brazil have a couple in line and here comes a dozen more.

I had that happen, literally, at Universal once. It was a group of girls but I don't think they were Brazillian. We were in the Express Line for Mummy, which was longer than usual. One comes flouncing up to join her friend in front of us. I'm generally tolerant of a person or two. Then another one comes...okay. A few second later, two more appeared. I blocked them and said, "No way." They whined, "But there are 14 of us altogether!" I made it clear they were bloody well NOT getting in front of me, so the ones in front moved behind me. After a couple minutes, the people who had originally been behind me made them get behind them too (at that point, all the others had shown up).

 

[aubriee]

I would say that if you didn't think that cutting in front of me was a good idea, I wouldn't have to confront you about it, would I? How about just doing what is right and having your whole family together before getting in line? Why is that so hard to do?

Exactly!!

 

[aubriee]

I would say tacky at the least and would have something to say if it was done by me. How would you feel if you waited in say Toy story Mania then you see someone cutting through this large line just to get to his family who could or would not play by the rules like the rest of us??

So you are willing to let a empty seat go by just on the fact that it's a rule that in reality doesn't exist? Elementary School mantality...

Bad example! Toy Story Mania is one of the few rides where it will not happen. They have CMs both outside and also just inside that if you listen are yelling, 'make sure all of your party are together. Others will not be able to join you later'. They do enforce it. When I was there with my husband and mom in Sept, there was a family that stopped dead in front of us just as we were entering the door. They told the CM that the dad would be right there, that he had just stopped for a moment to get fast passes so they could ride it again later. The CM said that was the exact reason they had the rule, so that would not happen. He told them that if they wanted to ride together then they had better wait just outside, otherwise dad would not be joining them.

 

[tomu570]

270 posts on proper queue etiquette is longer than any threads I can find on global warming.

 

[BayouMickey]

This has gotton old. Bottom line, I will let A family member catch up, I will myself catch up to my family if it happens to me. Give me all the dirty looks, sneers, under the breath comments, It won't bother me in the least and it shouldn't bother this particular father.

 

[Plumeria]

Okay, I have a situation that nobody has mentioned yet - and this is not hypothetical, it happens to me all the time:

I go to WDW solo. I have nobody to save my place in line if I have a potty emergency. What should I do? Can I get out of the line to potty, then slip my way past 100 people to get back to the place I was in before?

What happens if I'm near the front when I have to leave the line? By the time I get back, my place has already passed, and the folks who were in front of and behind me have already gotten on the ride. Can I simply go right to the front of the line?

How about if I want to get a FastPass? Can I get in the line for a minute, then get out, cross the park to get a FP for another ride, then jump back into the line where I was before?

Why should I be penalized for being in the park alone? Why can I not do the same things that Daddy and Mommy do? Am I not just as valuable a human being as a Mommy or Daddy or Kiddie? Do I not have all the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities in our society? Should I not be held to EXACTLY the same standard as everybody else?

FYI: What I actually DO, in the above situations, is to get out of line for a potty emergency and get back in at the end. I also get my FPs in advance and then just get in the line at the end.

THANK YOU!!!

I swear...people that have kids think they can do whatever they want, and the heck with everybody else. Let's push our way in front of everybody else because we have kids and the rules are different for us. It's the same with parades...

Whatever happened to the concept of getting in line...and staying in line? I guess it's a pretty foreign concept in today's society.

 

[thepwa]

If me and the kids jump in line for The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh and send DH to get Fastpasses for Peter Pan - on his way back, would he be able to get back in line with us? Or is this frowned upon or considered 'cutting'?

Wouldnt bother me.

 

[kaytieeldr]

This has gotton old. Bottom line, I will let A family member catch up, I will myself catch up to my family if it happens to me.

How many times, each? How many "a" family members will/do you expect to be letting catch up with their family members somewhere ahead (if, in fact, such family/party members exist) at each attraction, and at how many attractions each day?
And how many times each day do you expect/intend to be in the position of having to catch up with your party - instead of, say, all entering the queue together?

 

[lovemyguys]

Respectfully, there are sunglasses (ALWAYS advisable, even for the smallest children, outdoors), hats, and personal fans - all to protect or provide comfort from heat and sun.

Respectfully, I am FULLY aware of how to protect my children from the sun. They wear thier hats, they have on sunscreen, we buy them the misting fans at WDW (even spend the outragious amount of money for the 78 batteries the fans will need to keep working~those suckers eat batteries faster then any toy I have ever come across!) and they wear their new sunglasses that they pick out for every trip. But guess what. They still get hot. Now I would never stand in a line for an hour for ANY ride. I get to many tips from the DIS board and Tour Guide Mike to keep that from happening. The waiting in a 1 hr line and the kids getting hot and needing some shade after 30 minutes was a scenerio. But one I would completly do if I ever got sun stroke and lost my mind and put us in an hour long line.

Same here! I travel alone several times a year to WDW, so have no one to run get fast passes for me or to hold my place in line if I decide I need to go sit somewhere to cool off or go potty. If I need to do any of those things, I leave the line, then come back to the end of the line and wait all over again, like everyone should.

As far as kids go, that's a bunch of bull. Having kids does not make you special. I travel alone frequently with my grand daughter and have since she was four y/o. She's always been my little travel buddy. She knew even at that age that we must wait in lines and that if she had to get out of line for some reason then we must start over at the back of the line. It was never a problem. Sorry, but the OP's scenario is line cutting plain and simple.

I may be considered a witch for it, but I for one do not put up with line cutters. More than once I've had people say they are trying to catch up with their friends or family. I say fine, let me help you, what are their names. I will then yell "Hey John, your friend wants you to meet him back here. Come on back." If someone tries to push past me, I have no problem giving them the evil eye and telling them that if they try it, I'll be yelling for a CM so fast their head will spin. It ain't happening. If more people would do this, there would not be as much line cutting going on. I got into a conversation one time with a CM about it and was told by both him and also a couple of other CMs that joined us, that line cutting was definitely against the rules, but because other visitors don't raise a stink about it, most CMs don't bother to enforce it, because they don't like confronting guests. If other people would say something, then the CMs would always force the line cutter back.

WOW! Just a suggestion. You may want to be careful how you speak to people. You never know who your yelling at or why they left or where not in the line. Not that it is any of your business but my son has Vitiligo. If you do not know what that is it is the condition Micheal Jackson has. No, not obsessive nose jobs condition. A quick idea of what it is is a condition that for some unknow reason his body will attack the pigment of his skin leaving white patches on his body. These white patches have ZERO pigment to them so they will burn VERY easily. Now if we are in line for something that has a long wait and is outdoors in the sun (like lion king) I will 100% have my husband take him/them for a walk to keep him from standing in the sun for 40 minutes. He will bring him to shaded places or in shops, whatever just to cut down the amount of sun time he has. Now do I think that b/c he has this condition that we are "special"? NO!! Actually I feel the complete opposite. Now if my husband was walking back in the line to catch up with me and you start yellling for me to come to the back it is not going to happen. You can call a CM and make some really big scene about the father and the sons going to join their mother and I will pull that CM to the side and explain to him/her the situation. Do you really think that they are going to have me go to the end of the line???? So make as many scenes as you want and call as many CM's over as you want but I hope that you realize sometimes your scenes, yelling in line and rude comments are really uncalled for and may end up making you feel foolish in the end when the CM tells my husband that it is ok to go and meet up with me. And to ANYONE that feels the need to say "well then maybe your son shouldn't go to Florida where it is hot and sunny" my response is "Oh please!" But I also have a hard time following why a person meeting up with their family would make you cause such a scene infront of you granddaughter. And if I let the CM know ahead of time why we are doing it the way we are and they understand the situation everyone in line, you, would not have heard the conversation so you would be (using your words) acting like a witch for a situation that was already taken care of and approved. Just something you may want to think about the next time your in line and about to go off on the person that is re-joining/joining their party.

Hope you have a fun, carefree, uneventful trip to the World the next time you go.

 

[Schmeck]

Whether you consider it cutting or not cutting, moral or immoral, right or wrong, until Disney puts up a big sign with a Mickey on it that states "at no time shall anyone catch up to his or her own party while in line" than by Disney rule it is acceptable behavior. Whether you care to agree or not is moot.

Get over it and go do something with your day.

If WDW had to put up a sign for every single thing, there'd be no room for attractions, LOL! If your reasoning holds, then since I didn't see a sign saying I couldn't use your stroller, I can take it, right? Help myself to your food off your tray, stay in your hotel room, take some cash out of your wallet? If you didn't like it, I'd just tell you to get over it, there's no sign here saying I can't...

 

[WillCAD]

Whether you consider it cutting or not cutting, moral or immoral, right or wrong, until Disney puts up a big sign with a Mickey on it that states "at no time shall anyone catch up to his or her own party while in line" than by Disney rule it is acceptable behavior. Whether you care to agree or not is moot.

Get over it and go do something with your day.

There are also no signs that say "No men allowed in the ladies rooms" or "No swimming in the World Showcase Lagoon" or "No stealing from the shops", but I'm pretty sure all of those things are frowned upon mightily by WDW management. Try one of them sometime, and you'll see what I mean.

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FYI: The following is not directed at you Tomu; there are at least a dozen others in this thread expressing the same sentiment, so this is just a general comment on the phenomenon. Please don't take it as a personal attack, and don't think that I am singling you out, because I'm not.

It seems that a lot of people tell me to "get over it" or "don't let it bother you" or "let it go and relax" whenever I discuss how other people engage in rude, obnoxious, or rule-breaking behavior at the parks gets on my nerves. But I can complain if I want, so long as I abide by the DIS rules of etiquette. If you don't like reading my complaints on the boards, get over it. Don't let it bother you so much. Let it go and relax. The boards are here for fun and for the exchange of knowledge and opinions, so that's what we all do when we come here. If my opinion differs from yours, you are free to express yours, but please don't dismiss my opinion as irrelevant by telling me to "get over it".

 

[missy2217]

I have to agree, if someone did that at the amusement park near our house they would get thrown out of the park. But just my 2 cents.

DITTO Cutting.