Is there a purpose to all the water around disney world at this point?

[disneygolfer1985]

A hypothetical question:
If you made the Seven seas lagoon like the 3 or 4 seas lagoon (not convinced that ALL that water is needed for drainage) and you made the other half a parking lot close to the MK. How many people would park close to the MK, avoid the TTC and avoid the ferry ride and/or the monorail ride through the Contemporary? And how many people would still park at the TTC and continue to take the ferry and stay true to the original vision?
My guess is 90% of the people would park up close and wave to you people on the ferry.

And I do realize that people littering contributes to the overall poor water quality. that is bound to happen when you have the staggering number ofvisitirs that they get. But water can be cleaned and maybe if you had a little less water and/or they did a better job of cleaning it, they'd be able to use that water for swimming and other things not just to look at it and use it as a pretty backdrop for photos.

You mention about your doubt that all that water is needed for drainage. I ask you if you have seen anything of the recent flooding that has happened in Houston the past 2 months? That is what happens when you build too much without taking into account proper drainage. Is that what you would want to happen to Disney World? I think these are important questions to ask because I fear you lack the long term vision of your ideas. Sometimes tge urbanization of an area is not in the best interest for all parties. I mentioned this before but I'll reiterate that in the bylaws for the reedy creek district, I think for every acre that is developed an equivalent acre shall be deemed water management. Also, Disney World was built on a swamp. There is no getting around that, but the next time you fly to Florida, look out the plane and see all the water! The gulf coast states are very swampy by the coast!

 

[Mitzicat]

Interesting information about 20K, however it isn't true. The tank was not leaking at all. It was shutdown primarily because it cost a fortune to operate and maintain plus, as you said, it wasn't a high capacity ride. Management wanted to get rid of it and there have even been reports that they sabotaged one of the subs to take upper management on to show just how bad a shape they were in. They got their wish and when it closed down for re-furb, it never reopened again. However, the lagoon (pool) remained there for, if I remember correctly, about 9 more years, therefore there was no leak. Just as soon as they made the decision to upgrade the subs in Disneyland, mysteriously the lagoon was drained therefore ending the possibility that there would be demand to do the same thing in WDW and it was ultimately torn down for the Pooh Playground, first, and then the New Fantasyland.

I was just quoting Disney Wikia:

In the 1990s, Michael Eisner began seeking ways to cut costs and maximize profits. As a result, older rides and thematic elements that did not contribute to the bottom line were put on the chopping block at Walt Disney World and Disneyland. The 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea ride was one of the first to go. At the time of its closure, Eisner considered the ride too expensive and labor-intensive to operate, never mind the fact that the lagoon leaked badly due to cracks formed by the Florida sun, and the effects were dated. The ride closed on September 5, 1994 fo what was considered a refurbishment. However, no activity was noticed at all, and the submarines sat still in the lagoon and show building, as if frozen in time. Two years later, in 1996, Disney announced the ride would never reopen for the aforementioned reasons.

 

[Mitzicat]

Adam the Woo who put a video showing where the wave machines were located in the Seven Seas lagoon,expecting to have surfing in a man made lake was a bit far fetched in my opinion.

Love Adam...and I agree... Don't see how they could have made big enough waves. Now Typhoon Lagoon is a different story!

 

[Mitzicat]

Perhaps Disney could enclose all of the attractions in a giant dome? It could be sealed off completely. Remembering the movie "Logan's Run" from the 70s(?) Or, it could all be virtualized. Folks could live the experience from their Captn's chairs in their Winnebago parked in the middle of a Wal-Mart asphalt covered parking lot. The missus could get some of those fancy hots dogs n' blankets. IDK what precautions would be needed for shooting stars...

Maybe we are already there - life clock crystal = magic bands? But I don't want to go to Carousel! (P.S. one of my favorite movies!)

 

[goofyernmost]

I was just quoting Disney Wikia:

In the 1990s, Michael Eisner began seeking ways to cut costs and maximize profits. As a result, older rides and thematic elements that did not contribute to the bottom line were put on the chopping block at Walt Disney World and Disneyland. The 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea ride was one of the first to go. At the time of its closure, Eisner considered the ride too expensive and labor-intensive to operate, never mind the fact that the lagoon leaked badly due to cracks formed by the Florida sun, and the effects were dated. The ride closed on September 5, 1994 fo what was considered a refurbishment. However, no activity was noticed at all, and the submarines sat still in the lagoon and show building, as if frozen in time. Two years later, in 1996, Disney announced the ride would never reopen for the aforementioned reasons.

Disney Wikia or not... it isn't entirely correct. It was deemed to expensive and that that is one of the reasons it closed, but, if the lagoon was leaking why did they wait 9 years to drain it? That water was treated. It literally costs thousands of dollars to keep it there. The sub problems, some of which were real and some that were fabricated to push along the agenda were the big expense that they were looking at, if it actually would have been needed. There was a rumor that it was leaking into the utiladors but that has been debunked several times.

 

[Aflyingbuttress]

I'm getting a kick out of this! I know of FL wildlife, etc, etc, but some of you are making it seem like you're living 100 years ago, encountering these animals every day in the suburbs of... Well... EVERYWHERE!! LOL!

I have occasionally seen deer run along Wisonconsin Ave in DC! I wouldn't expect to see that often, and I wouldn't expect most tourists to DC to expect to see deer crossing the street in a major city like DC. :-D

Feels like some are now OVERSTATING their encounters with wildlife in everyday life. Boy, does the pendulum swing on DIS...

I live in a fairly populated area of CT and regularly see deer on my property, which is a condo complex with a lot of people. I grew up on Long Island and definitely encountered deer there as well. Also on LI a red fox once made a visit to a family gathering at a park. Out west, I've been 5 feet from a lone buffalo and about 50 yards from a heard of buffalo. As a kid I found myself swimming with stinging jellyfish. I was once confronted and sprayed by a skunk. And I remember a time when I was swarmed by hundreds of bats. Finally, and most significantly, I have also come face to face with a black bear in PA after rounding the corner of a friends house. Most horrifying moment of my life but I didn't suggest my friend pave over the surrounding forest before I visit again, nor do I think anyone would have even if it had mauled me to death. I have no idea how pa. dad lives there (assuming the pa is indeed for PA) and doesn't crap his pants every 5 minutes if this is his response to a single alligator attack. I have seen many bears in that area. Maybe he lives in a city.

Not a single one of those events was planned or even anticipated (with the exception of the deer) and I am not even remotely adventurous or the type to spend a lot of time outdoors. The point is, wildlife encounters do happen all the time in all kinds of environments. It's simply impossible to avoid them all together no matter where you live.

 

[Aflyingbuttress]

What happened is unthinkable but I would bet money that pa. dad is being deliberately obtuse about the situation. To suggest that dangerous animals be removed entirely from a place that is the size of San Francisco is absurd. Plain and simple: ABSURD!

 

[IrishNYC]

A hypothetical question:
If you made the Seven seas lagoon like the 3 or 4 seas lagoon (not convinced that ALL that water is needed for drainage) and you made the other half a parking lot close to the MK. How many people would park close to the MK, avoid the TTC and avoid the ferry ride and/or the monorail ride through the Contemporary? And how many people would still park at the TTC and continue to take the ferry and stay true to the original vision?
My guess is 90% of the people would park up close and wave to you people on the ferry.

And I do realize that people littering contributes to the overall poor water quality. that is bound to happen when you have the staggering number ofvisitirs that they get. But water can be cleaned and maybe if you had a little less water and/or they did a better job of cleaning it, they'd be able to use that water for swimming and other things not just to look at it and use it as a pretty backdrop for photos.

ALL the water is needed for drainage. I promise you. If you read what many of us said or linked to previously you'd see that.

Littering really has little to do with the water quality. Again, read the links and statements already given to you.

What happened is unthinkable but I would bet money that pa. dad is being deliberately obtuse about the situation. To suggest that dangerous animals be removed entirely from a place that is the size of San Francisco is absurd. Plain and simple: ABSURD!

I agree. He keeps changing his argument when the answers remain the same.

 

[Aflyingbuttress]

Hello. If one of the lions or tigers were to escape from the AK, I assume that that it would be treated seriously and they'd return the animals to a safer place. Just exactly HOW they'd do that, I honestly donlt know. I have seen people feeding gators but I haven't seen disney people removing them. That's not to say that it isn;t done just that I have not seen it.
I thought other posters might have some ideas or experience with HOW to control the gator problems. Where I live there are big deer problems and there are many accidents. The township from time to time issues hunting liscences to bring the numbers down. Animal lovers may not like this but there is only so much open space and once the numbers become too much, they feel this is what they have to do. Of course, the deer aren't trying to hurt anybody but the gators are.
I'm not sure why a gator on the loose does not require the same sense of urgency as lion or a bear on the loose.

What you are not getting is that THERE IS NO WAY to control the gator population. Rounding up one loose lion that is not living in it's natural habitat (i.e. imported for show) is not the same as rounding up hundreds of alligators that are living where they always have (i.e. not imported). What you are also not getting is that IT IS TAKEN SERIOUSLY. Which is why Disney DOES remove them when they are a problem, and they do it URGENTLY.

Are you suggesting that Disney issue hunting licenses? Yeah, because that would be a lot safer for the visitors.

 

[Aflyingbuttress]

It appears in my view that there is a PROBLEM there and whatever they did in the old days to control that problem must be stepped up and increased many times over today. Is it me or do some seem too defensive of disney in this case?

Like others have said, you are either not serious or you live in your own little bubble and have zero understanding of the world. But this quote above really just made my mind explode. They didn't do anything in the old days to control the problem. Do you get that? They didn't need to.

 

[disneygolfer1985]

ALL the water is needed for drainage. I promise you. If you read what many of us said or linked to previously you'd see that.

Littering really has little to do with the water quality. Again, read the links and statements already given to you.



I agree. He keeps changing his argument when the answers remain the same.

I like your comments. I'm assuming he lives somewhere that flooding doesn't occur or understand what happens when you live at sea level! I honestly don't think he has read anything because I have directly quoted him arguing about the restrictions on construction and land for water management.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Yes! Filtered water isn't environmentally friendly to anyone other than us.
And Disney has plenty of filtered water bodies for us to enjoy, they are called swimming pools.

Filtered water would destroy the environment for the plants and animals that need what lives in that gross water.

I don't understand..
I mean, the water wasn't always gross.

MG

 

[IrishNYC]

I don't understand..
I mean, the water wasn't always gross.

MG

It's swamp water. Of course it's gross. What do you want them to filter out of it? Why should they filter anything out of it? The land around WDW is a nature preserve, not nature with preservatives to satisfy humans.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

It's swamp water. Of course it's gross. What do you want them to filter out of it? Why should they filter anything out of it? The land around WDW is a nature preserve, not nature with preservatives to satisfy humans.

Back in the early days I thought I remembered the water being much cleaner.. The very early days, well before swimming and such were banned.

MG

 

[IrishNYC]

Even if it was cleaner, nature is taking its course with it. Unless it's polluted and wildlife is being impacted by it, there's no reason to filter it.

 

[revdon64]

This is classic trolling folks.
1. Stir up the pot with a controversial statement.
2. When the pot settles or starts to settle, stir again.
3. Repeat to your delight.

Stop feeding the troll and he'll go away. This is my last response in this nonsense thread.

 

[pa. dad]

The beach and swamp land are 2 entirely different things.



Many people have politely explained that in this thread, and you continue to dismiss their reasons. It's clear at this point that you aren't going to believe any reasoning that anyone here gives. So at this point, google it. Do some research into the FL ecosystem. Find whatever information you need to accept that a large portion of WDW's proprety is required to be maintained as wilderness preserve. Wilderness in FL = gators and other animals.



Gators in the water at Splash or the Rivers of America is not new. This didn't just start happening in the last few months or something. It's gone on for years, and you don't hear about it because the system Disney has in place takes care of them. Guests are not unsafe riding Splash, or going to Tom Sawyer's Island, etc. Gators weren't as prevalent in the early days of WDW *not* because of anything WDW was doing, but because their population was severely low and they were on the endangered species list. WDW is not allowed, by the law that protects these species, to return them to the population levels of the early days of WDW.

This isn't a matter of defending Disney, but accepting nature for what it is. It is not physically possible to rid WDW property of gators. Bottom line. It's not possible. The measures you're suggesting might rid them for a little while, but this is the gators' home. They will return. And it's illegal to just extinguish the species (not to mention all kinds of immoral, etc).

Rather than expecting Disney to keep everyone safe at all times, it is the responsibility of guests to be aware of their surroundings and have a healthy respect for the natural habitat they are in. And that includes the gators. Learn about them, learn how to avoid them, and for the love of everything that is good, do not feed them!

Ok this is news to me.
I have learned that there are a lot more gators now than then.
So why can't Disney either remove them or just offer them up as the special of the week at the Skipper Canteen?
I see shows on tv where guys hunt gators (during the season that the state of La. allows this) I dont know- does FL not allow this?
If that is the case, surely there is no law that they can't move them somewhere else- take them South, sell them to gatorland, stick them in a tank at the Seas pavillion or a protected and safe area at the AK?. There must be something better than let them roam freely about?

 

[maxiesmom]

Ok this is news to me.
I have learned that there are a lot more gators now than then.
So why can't Disney either remove them or just offer them up as the special of the week at the Skipper Canteen?
I see shows on tv where guys hunt gators (during the season that the state of La. allows this) I dont know- does FL not allow this?
If that is the case, surely there is no law that they can't move them somewhere else- take them South, sell them to gatorland, stick them in a tank at the Seas pavillion or a protected and safe area at the AK?. There must be something better than let them roam freely about?

You must have missed the post not long ago by someone who was horrified that they had gators in tanks in the Living with the Land attraction.

 

[pa. dad]

For those who do not care to participate, that's FINE. Just go on the next one and participate in that one instead.
For the RECORD, this the 2nd time I have ASKED a question on the DIS thread. The first time I asked a question was on the DL paris thread which was would someone who has visited all the American disney parks find the Paris parks interesting and worthwhile? A number of people replied and there was a wide spectrum of views on that question. Some were strongly yes and others strongly no with others at various points in between.
But no one was insulting or rude to others even though there was disagreement with some of the opinions put forth. The thread wandered here and there with brief discussions on France on the whole as a vacation spot and the Tokyo parks and again no one felt they had to act superior to anyone else or to be rude.
So based on this POSITIVE experience with the first question that I asked, I decided to ask a second question. And this question was offered in the same spirit as that first one where hopefully people could share opinions and insights they may have. i'm not sure why this one has brought out the zealots and fanatics and their worst behavior.

 

[Number Six]