Is the recent GameStop story highlighting how little stock price is based on reality?

People said the same thing about Amazon. They said how can a bookseller be worth so much? Actually a bookseller is worth close to zero because that is a terrible business. Even the entire rest of their retail operation really isn't worth much of anything. It is Amazon Web Services which contains all of the value of the company.

I think Tesla is the same way. Manufacturing cars isn't a profitable business long term. I think the vast majority of the value of the company is really in its technology systems.
The problem is almost all of their revenue currently comes from automotive sales. The idea of a "technology" revenue streams is still very much a hypothetical... and the stock has a market cap 4x higher than Toyota so how much of that execution is priced in already?

I'm fine with taking on some risk but there needs to be reward behind it.
 
Nothing in the Game Stop companies numbers justify such a stock price and everyone knows it. They were on the brink of bankruptcy.

This is a good illustration of how MANY stocks are overvalued compared to their companies net worth. Tesla is a great example. That company only finally posted a profit in 2020, but yet the stock price is sky high. There is no precedent for an auto company to be so wildly overvalued.
Always chasing the next bubble.
 
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People said the same thing about Amazon. They said how can a bookseller be worth so much? Actually a bookseller is worth close to zero because that is a terrible business. Even the entire rest of their retail operation really isn't worth much of anything. It is Amazon Web Services which contains all of the value of the company.

I think Tesla is the same way. Manufacturing cars isn't a profitable business long term. I think the vast majority of the value of the company is really in its technology systems.

Elon Musk has said numerous times that the company is wildly overvalued. That is not a good sign.
 
Wow so much to unpack in this one. Stock value as is with the value of anything is easily defined as the price at which a buyer and a seller are willing to transact. It is that simple. House seller says his house is worth a million dollars and he has no offers then the house is not worth a million dollars. If a buyer offers $800k and he says yes then at that moment in time the house is worth $800k. That simple. You can roughly estimate the "value" of a company the same way you look at an individuals net worth, value of what they own (factories, land, machines etc.) vs what debt they have (loans, etc.)

What I find interesting about this whole situation is that these Hedge Funds have been running the market for years, and they do not only play in stocks, they play with bonds, commodities, futures,, any financial instrument they can find. They control massive amounts of capital and look specifically at markets they can manipulate. Once upon a time I traded natural gas for a living. I left trading specifically because of the actions of a hedge fund. In the mid 90's the futures market for NG was thin, not a tremendous amount traded. We were in August which is a weird time for gas. A/C's are running but no one is heating anything so gas prices are driven by how much is going into storage and how much space is left to store gas for the coming winter. Storage was full, and fundamentally the price should have been dropping. Lots of traders going short and gonna buy after the price drops. Problem is price don't drop. A hedge fund was propping up the market and driving the market up against the fundamentals. They made a ton of money at the expense of numerous companies who actually supplied the market the physical product.

Yeah sad story and I know most don't care but the moral of the current story is that these hedge funds, the richest of the rich have made billions and that was just the way it was. Understand that the big trading houses and investment banks, the same ones that benefited from government bailouts have done this for years. The first time the small investors cost them substantial loses it is headline news, the stock is suspended from trading and the government and the SEC want to launch investigations. Bottom line only a wealthy few can rule the market and most Americans get screwed in the process.

Finally when looking at stock value it is always interesting to look at the annual reports of companies and where you can understand the top folks compensation packages. For years their incentives have been tied to stock price. Decisions are made to shore up the price. No one builds for the future, the liquidate profitable assets, they make stupid moves all in the name of stock price to make executive compensation as high as they can. I worked at Enron for 7 years. I know what caused them to blow up. I can tell you it was promises made to the analyst community that earnings would increase 20% annually and when that number which drove executive compensation faltered is when they played the games that eventually bankrupt the company and cost me personally a large portion of my retirement dollars. They were desperate to pump the price because that's how they got paid.

Bitter, sure I have taken my lumps but believe me I celebrate a hedge fund taking it in the nose. Don't worry the fund that lost the money is run by a protégée of the guy who just bought the New York Mets. The guy pumped $2.75 billion into the fund to shore it up. So the rich get richer and the rest of us stay where we are. All we ask for is a level playing field but between the funds and the government we won't ever get that.
 
Capitalism is a sham.in general

Capitalism is just when goods and services are controlled by private for profit companies. The binary alterative is where goods and services are controlled by a government entity. Neither system is perfect. Both systems when run poorly can have huge negative impacts to society. A good system is a blend of the two with regulators that have a velvet touch..
 
I wish I would have seen the game stop surge sooner. I would have jumped in and got out fast. I did the same with Kodak and Moderna. Currently sitting on 30,000 Doge Coin that I purchased at 0.016 months ago and it has made me over $2k in profits. In 1 year I turned $5k into $25k with Robinhood and took my initial investment back out. Now it's a game since I'm only investing with profits. My goal is to pay off my house, DVC and my wife's Yukon by the end of the year with trades.
 
Nothing in the Game Stop companies numbers justify such a stock price and everyone knows it. They were on the brink of bankruptcy.

This is a good illustration of how MANY stocks are overvalued compared to their companies net worth. Tesla is a great example. That company only finally posted a profit in 2020, but yet the stock price is sky high. There is no precedent for an auto company to be so wildly overvalued.

Well, that’s the argument.
Tesla is not valued the way it is just as an auto company. They are more than just being an auto manufacturer.
 
Tiktok has been blowing up the past two days with tons of gen z/millennials sharing how they’re learning about the stock market and how to use it because of this. Personally, I think that in itself is pretty cool. So many folks don’t know how the stock market works because we (I’m a millennial so maybe the ‘we’ just applies to my age range?) feel like it’s not meant for the average person. Kinda neat to see folks learning. When I had to set up my first 401k out of college my mom had to sit with me and help me because I had no idea what anything meant.
 
Wow so much to unpack in this one. Stock value as is with the value of anything is easily defined as the price at which a buyer and a seller are willing to transact. It is that simple. House seller says his house is worth a million dollars and he has no offers then the house is not worth a million dollars. If a buyer offers $800k and he says yes then at that moment in time the house is worth $800k. That simple. You can roughly estimate the "value" of a company the same way you look at an individuals net worth, value of what they own (factories, land, machines etc.) vs what debt they have (loans, etc.)
The term value is defined all wrong. Value isn't what something is worth overall. Value is entirely individual. That house the seller thinks is worth a million dollars? It is... to the seller. If a buyer offers $800k, the house is worth $800k to that buyer. If the seller doesn't sell for $800k, it is still worth more to that seller as he is no willing to give it for $800k. All individual.

Even with things like groceries. Is a jar of mayonnaise worth $2.39 sitting on the shelf? It is to the store. It is to whomever is willing to pay $2.39 for it. It is to the people who won't buy it and will buy the store brand for $1.89? No.

Does Tesla have value? Maybe to you, but not to me. It's worth nothing to me.
 
So if you inherited Tesla stock you would just give it away for free?
That changes things, doesn't it? If someone handed me Tesla stock, then it would have value to me. Still wouldn't have value to my brother who doesn't have Tesla stock, or my coworkers who don't have Tesla stock, or my mother who doesn't have Tesla stock. How does my acquiring Tesla stock change the value of it from value for individuals to value to everyone?
 
You could change the name on those charts to Amazon and the year to 2000. The portion of the company that is valuable today wasn't even invented yet 20 years ago
It's easy to pick winners in hindsight. The portion of Amazon that is valuable today could have just as easily been a portion of 100 other startups that existed in the year 2000.
 
The term value is defined all wrong. Value isn't what something is worth overall. Value is entirely individual. That house the seller thinks is worth a million dollars? It is... to the seller. If a buyer offers $800k, the house is worth $800k to that buyer. If the seller doesn't sell for $800k, it is still worth more to that seller as he is no willing to give it for $800k. All individual.

Even with things like groceries. Is a jar of mayonnaise worth $2.39 sitting on the shelf? It is to the store. It is to whomever is willing to pay $2.39 for it. It is to the people who won't buy it and will buy the store brand for $1.89? No.

Does Tesla have value? Maybe to you, but not to me. It's worth nothing to me.

When I use value in this context I am speaking of market value, and yes this is the definition of market value. It is the concept traders use to mark their books to market at the end of each day. This is the value of the stock. The true underlying value of the company is completely different. You give Tesla as an example and yes their earnings do not warrant the stock valuation, however imbedded in the price of every stock are beliefs and expectations of future earnings and ultimate potential. It is a nuanced definition but you are using value to indicate worth. What is something worth based on your needs and wants. At the point where a buyer and seller will transact is the very definition of market value.
 
This is the value of the stock. The true underlying value of the company is completely different.

Not sure I follow? The underlying value of the company exactly matches the stock price. Even when people use traditional accounting methods to determine "value" there are lines on the balance sheet for completely nebulous terms like Goodwill.
 





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