Is "Pro Choice" Actually "Pro Abortion?"

[merryweather20]

Ok i'll bite. Please explain to me how one can be pro choice, but not believe that abortion should be legal?

Did you skip grade three? Just because the definition for Pro abortion includes legalization, does not make everyone who beleives in legalized abortion pro abortion.

Do I need to draw you some venn diagrams here

 

[Master Mason]

Are you and Master Mason simply ticked off that the Pro choice movement has decided to use accurate terminology There is no sugar coating, it is as it sounds a group that is, for choice.

Pro life on the other hand is sugar coated to the hilt. They will use violence and murder to promote their ant-abortion agenda. They use pro life because they don't think anti-choice sounds as good, they want to "sugar coat" their position.

First off, I am not ticked off about anything. I am simply stating the truth of the situation. And yes it is being sugar coated.

If you are pro choice, you are for allowing abortion to be legal and available to anyone that desires one. Which means you are infact proabortion. Proabortion does not mean advocating that lots of people have them, it is advocating that those that desire them may have them.

You can't have the choice without the option.

AS for the comments about "pro lifers" I agree, they are not pro life(for the most part) they are anti abortion.

 

[Master Mason]

Did you skip grade three? Just because the definition for Pro abortion includes legalization, does not make everyone who beleives in legalized abortion pro abortion.

Do I need to draw you some venn diagrams here

There is no other definition.... If there was you would be correct, but it only lists a single entry.....

 

[merryweather20]

There is no other definition.... If there was you would be correct, but it only lists a single entry.....

That is what is called a critical error on your part. Think of it this way:

All Smiths enjoy Disneyland. According to your logic all people who enjoy Disneyland must be named Smith.

You cannot extend definitions ad infinitum to suit your needs. Pro choice retains its own meaning:

Adjective

pro-choice
(public policy, law, ethics) Of, pertaining to, or supportive of a woman's right to choose whether or not to undergo an abortion

 

[Hoodie]

First off, I am not ticked off about anything. I am simply stating the truth of the situation. And yes it is being sugar coated.

If you are pro choice, you are for allowing abortion to be legal and available to anyone that desires one. Which means you are infact proabortion. Proabortion does not mean advocating that lots of people have them, it is advocating that those that desire them may have them.

You can't have the choice without the option.

AS for the comments about "pro lifers" I agree, they are not pro life(for the most part) they are anti abortion.

I was just going to post something similar.

My issue is with the term "pro-choice". It has been adapted to be the PC term for pro-abortion. And yes, when you come down to it, it's not "pro-choice" or "pro-life" it's whether you support the option of abortion or not.

So yes, they Pro abortion and the current meaning of "pro-choice" are one and the same. Some may not like it because it doesn't sound pretty, but it's the same nonetheless.

 

[Hoodie]

That is what is called a critical error on your part. Think of it this way:

All Smiths enjoy Disneyland. According to your logic all people who enjoy Disneyland must be named Smith.

You cannot extend definitions ad infinitum to suit your needs. Pro choice retains its own meaning:

Adjective

pro-choice
(public policy, law, ethics) Of, pertaining to, or supportive of a woman's right to choose whether or not to undergo an abortion

Howeever, abortion is part of the definition. Unless that "choice" is never made, then it is inherently pro-abortion as an option.

 

[Master Mason]

That is what is called a critical error on your part. Think of it this way:

All Smiths enjoy Disneyland. According to your logic all people who enjoy Disneyland must be named Smith.

You cannot extend definitions ad infinitum to suit your needs. Pro choice retains its own meaning:

Adjective

pro-choice
(public policy, law, ethics) Of, pertaining to, or supportive of a woman's right to choose whether or not to undergo an abortion

Nope.

By your example what I am saying is all smiths enjoy disneyland, so if you are a smith you must enjoy disneyland.

 

[corndog]

I am proudly pro-abortion!

 

[merryweather20]

First off, I am not ticked off about anything. I am simply stating the truth of the situation. And yes it is being sugar coated.

If you are pro choice, you are for allowing abortion to be legal and available to anyone that desires one. Which means you are infact proabortion. Proabortion does not mean advocating that lots of people have them, it is advocating that those that desire them may have them.

You can't have the choice without the option.

AS for the comments about "pro lifers" I agree, they are not pro life(for the most part) they are anti abortion.

Its in simple English! Pro choice - for choice! For a woman's right too choose healthcare options. How, where, is any sugar-coating going on?

Using the adverb "pro" implies substantial positivity, which is just not true of all pro choicers.

I would consider myself pro-pre-marital celibacy, and pro-birth control, pro sex education. Abortion is an important option, but while I beleive it should be legal it should be a last resort. I couldn't say I was "pro" it.

Since I'm talking with you here I should remind you that even though I have defined myself as a pro-choice who is also pro-pre-marital celibacy, and pro-birth control, pro sex education, its probably important to remind
you that this would note define all pro-choice individuals.

 

[merryweather20]

Nope.

By your example what I am saying is all smiths enjoy disneyland, so if you are a smith you must enjoy disneyland.

Try again

 

[Master Mason]

Its in simple English! Pro choice - for choice! For a woman's right too choose healthcare options. How, where, is any sugar-coating going on?

Using the adverb "pro" implies substantial positivity, which is just not true of all pro choicers.

I would consider myself pro-pre-marital celibacy, and pro-birth control, pro sex education. Abortion is an important option, but while I beleive it should be legal it should be a last resort. I couldn't say I was "pro" it.

Since I'm talking with you here I should remind you that even though I have defined myself as a pro-choice who is also pro-pre-marital celibacy, and pro-birth control, pro sex education, its probably important to remind
you that this would note define all pro-choice individuals.

And here is your logical falicy, your using pro as an adverb, when in this case it is actually a preposition

Main Entry: 3pro
Function: preposition
Etymology: Latin
Date: 1817
: in favor of : for


It's not pro abortion it is proabortion.

Also of note, you seem to feel that I am against abortion, while I don't care for the practice, I am not in favor of making it illegal, so that would infact make me proabortion.

 

[Master Mason]

Try again

Ok. I'll try again. If a word has a single definition, then in all cases the definition remains the same. How's that?

 

[jimmiej]

so you think it's better to have the personal choice then, even though you know that you would never use your gun unless it's an extreme circumstance then right?

What makes that different than having some choice in abortion, for the most dire circumstances?

So then you are "pro" killing people?

This is an argument that many people have. Conservatives are against abortion. But yet they are for guns to protect me and mine and for the death penatly. I don't understand, you are either against taking a life or not, which is it?

innocent vs. guilty

 

[arielsleepingbeauty]

I am pro choice, but i am not pro abortion. Abortion is not something i would do, but for someone else, well that is their choice that they will live with forever. I don't think that anyone should decide what another person can or cannot do with their own body (excluding your children). It's not for me to decide what is right for another person. I don't have to live with it. I don't have to face consequences of it. It has nothing to do with me. People should not be so concerned with what another person is doing to their body. Why can't people just learn to mind their own business. If it's not you or doesn't involve you then just leave it alone.
I don't understand why people care so much about what others are doing whether it's abortion or gay/interracial marriage. It's amazing how so many people want to be involved with everyone else's life.

 

[soupy11]

And here is your logical falicy, your using pro as an adverb, when in this case it is actually a preposition

Main Entry: 3pro
Function: preposition
Etymology: Latin
Date: 1817
: in favor of : for


It's not pro abortion it is proabortion.

Also of note, you seem to feel that I am against abortion, while I don't care for the practice, I am not in favor of making it illegal, so that would infact make me proabortion.

Is it not pro-abortion? I have never seen the word proabortion before. I am confused.....

 

[Master Mason]

Is it not pro-abortion? I have never seen the word proabortion before. I am confused.....

See, now you have learned your new thing for the day

Yes it really is a word, with a single definition of being in favor or abortion being legal.

 

[agentpleakley]

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Pro-choice (for me) is not a moral decision. My morals and my values have nothing to do with my belief that a woman has the right to choose what she does with her own body. It's her choice.

Notice...I've never said what I do or do not believe on abortion.

And why is that?

Because my personal beliefs...no matter what they are...should have no effect on what another person is allowed or not allowed to do with their own body. It's none of my business what a woman chooses or does not choose to do with her uterus.

This is not about right or wrong at all.

It's about you (the figurative you) having the ability to choose what is the RIGHT decision or the WRONG decision for you. I should have nothing to do with that decision. And neither should the government.

I am pro choice, but i am not pro abortion. Abortion is not something i would do, but for someone else, well that is their choice that they will live with forever. I don't think that anyone should decide what another person can or cannot do with their own body (excluding your children). It's not for me to decide what is right for another person. I don't have to live with it. I don't have to face consequences of it. It has nothing to do with me. People should not be so concerned with what another person is doing to their body. Why can't people just learn to mind their own business. If it's not you or doesn't involve you then just leave it alone.
I don't understand why people care so much about what others are doing whether it's abortion or gay/interracial marriage. It's amazing how so many people want to be involved with everyone else's life.

I agree with both of the above-statements. However, my opinion changes depending upon the viability of the fetus. If the fetus is viable - it is murder. JMHO.

 

[soupy11]

See, now you have learned your new thing for the day

Yes it really is a word, with a single definition of being in favor or abortion being legal.

Well then it is pretty much pro-choice = proabortion....

but pro-choice is not pro-abortion. Now we are really hedging our bets!

 

[luvsJack]

I am pro choice, but i am not pro abortion. Abortion is not something i would do, but for someone else, well that is their choice that they will live with forever. I don't think that anyone should decide what another person can or cannot do with their own body (excluding your children). It's not for me to decide what is right for another person. I don't have to live with it. I don't have to face consequences of it. It has nothing to do with me. People should not be so concerned with what another person is doing to their body. Why can't people just learn to mind their own business. If it's not you or doesn't involve you then just leave it alone. I don't understand why people care so much about what others are doing whether it's abortion or gay/interracial marriage. It's amazing how so many people want to be involved with everyone else's life.

Because we believe a voice should be given to the unborn child. Where is the child's choice? Abortion is not the same thing as interracial or same sex marriage. Marriage partners are making a choice that will only effect two consenting adults, abortion includes a choice being made for an innocent child.

 

[gaelic grace]

I agree that the emotional distrss that a women feels at that time (and after) is serious. That is why more energy should be placed into preventing unwanted pregnancy.

I am more concerned because there is kind of an all or nothing mentality out there. Fine, fight for no abortions. I get it. But realistically, that kind of decison can be decades away. Why not "hedge your bets" and support realistic access to birth control and edication. I think abstinence only is an unrealistic venture. Statistically it does not pan out either. Why fund programs that do not work or even work against your goals?

But to those that insist someone is proabortion rather than prochoice - I just want to know how much you think that rhetoric helps your cause.

But fine split hairs

I don't disagree that more energy should be put into preventing unwanted pregnancies. I have no problem with sex education in the schools- now I do have problems with certain programs. I think parents should have an opportunity to know exactly what is going to be taught. As for abstinence education not working that isn't true. I'm an example of abstinence education working. My parents were open to any and all discussions. In fact we never had "the talk" it was one long age appropriate discussion that lasted our entire lives. I think what made the difference was a father who was very involved in our lives who spoke honestly about relationships with us and helped make us into women with high self esteems which allowed us to make decisions from a position of power rather than feeling pressured. He also said "there are girls you date and girls you marry- be a girl you marry" it made a huge impression on me and how I viewed ************* relationships. I knew they weren't "the one" so why would I give something that intimate to someone I knew wasn't going to be in my life. I think abstinence should always be taught with sex education. We talk alot about abortion and unwanted pregnancies but their are alot of other things we need to protect our children from.