Is Pirate Lair ADA complient?

[skiingfast]

Has anyone been that uses a chair? I'm wondering how limited the trails are that can be used? How about the caverns?

 

[darph nader]

Has anyone been that uses a chair? I'm wondering how limited the trails are that can be used? How about the caverns?

Don't know about the trails,(may be too steep) but the caverns are too tight for a chair. (check them out on youtube)

 

[nunzia]

Don't know about the trails,(may be too steep) but the caverns are too tight for a chair. (check them out on youtube)

Yes..some of those cavern areas are kinda spooky...My eyes don't adjust to darkness well and I pretty well banged my head and arms on stuff all over the place. Dark, low and twisty...

 

[pinktink83]

There is not much to do over there except climb around in the caverns, and they are dark, tight, and twisty. Not at all suitable for wheelchairs. It is very dusty and dirty and bumpy over there, too. I don't think I'd bother with it! If you just want to get a good look at it, then I'd suggest taking a ride on the Sailing Ship Columbia which sails all around it. Its very fun!

 

[Eeee-va]

Can wheelchairs get in the Sailing Ship Columbia? The Mark Twain is roll-on accessible but I thought the Columbia requires going up steps.

The Disneyland map shows an accessible restroom on Tom Sawyer Island anyway, and I think you can probably get around some of the trails (but I'm not sure on that). Most of the island is caves and climbing and bridges and stuff, so not very wheelchair friendly.

(Technically Tom Sawyer Island is ADA Compliant in that it was built before the ADA was passed so they didn't have to make it accessible....but it's probably not the most fun place for a wheelchair.)

 

[skiingfast]

(Technically Tom Sawyer Island is ADA Compliant in that it was built before the ADA was passed so they didn't have to make it accessible....but it's probably not the most fun place for a wheelchair.)

The reason I asked is specifically for this reason. TSI was build beforethe ADA act. But since it was changed it had to include new standards. That's why I'm wondering if there are still trails, that can't be used? If the caverns were widened?

As I understand it the fort is not accesable to anyone, and if this is because of ADA or not, I don't know.

 

[Vala]

In 2008 I had trouble getting around in the caverns on foot.
Unless they've been widened since then I don't see any chance how a wheelchair could get in there.

Same thing for the trails. You could probably get around there if you tried. But it's steep in some areas, the trail isn't even... I would not try. When they still had the pirate show there, that area is about the only part of the island where I'd take a wheelchair.

Can wheelchairs get in the Sailing Ship Columbia? The Mark Twain is roll-on accessible but I thought the Columbia requires going up steps.

Yes, it does require going up steps. And they are quite steep too. I was on crutches last year and did not manage to get up the steps although I could maneuver pretty well at that point.

 

[Eeee-va]

The reason I asked is specifically for this reason. TSI was build beforethe ADA act. But since it was changed it had to include new standards. That's why I'm wondering if there are still trails, that can't be used? If the caverns were widened?

As I understand it the fort is not accesable to anyone, and if this is because of ADA or not, I don't know.

I believe that though the submarines were changed dramatically with Finding Nemo, it was still considered an existing attraction and did not need to be retrofitted to comply with ADA. Disney DID make an alternate viewing experience (IMO probably for goodwill/fair treatment but possibly under lawyers' advice, I suppose). But I would consider the Nemo overlay similar in scope to the Tom Sawyer's Island overlay--a lot of the decor has changed but the basic infrastructure remains from the past.

Also, the wilderness play area in DCA was built well after ADA and there are a lot of areas/activities that aren't wheelchair accessible either (I had some trouble with the literal rope bridges myself, and I don't use any wheels!). So even if they built Tom Sawyer's Island brand new, I would imagine there would still be quite a few areas that would not be suitable for a wheelchair, though the trails themselves would probably be easier to navigate.

I think the fort is closed to guests for several reasons, including that a child lost a finger playing with the fake guns, it was just in poor condition (though they fixed that), and I believe they use it for Fantasmic! backstage now.

 

[skiingfast]

I believe that though the submarines were changed dramatically with Finding Nemo, it was still considered an existing attraction and did not need to be retrofitted to comply with ADA. Disney DID make an alternate viewing experience (IMO probably for goodwill/fair treatment but possibly under lawyers' advice, I suppose). But I would consider the Nemo overlay similar in scope to the Tom Sawyer's Island overlay--a lot of the decor has changed but the basic infrastructure remains from the past.

Also, the wilderness play area in DCA was built well after ADA and there are a lot of areas/activities that aren't wheelchair accessible either (I had some trouble with the literal rope bridges myself, and I don't use any wheels!). So even if they built Tom Sawyer's Island brand new, I would imagine there would still be quite a few areas that would not be suitable for a wheelchair, though the trails themselves would probably be easier to navigate.

Thanks Eeee-va. These are very good points about how much they have included on redos and new designs.