Is organic milk really that much better??

MAKmom said:
Organic bananas are not that much better for you the pesticides do not penatrate the skins. Orgainc apples & pears are, the pesticides do go into the pulp. The Green Guide that I posted the link for lets you know what is worth it & what is'nt.

The other reason I buy orgainc is the pesticides are pollution, it runs off into our ground water ect.

Have you been to Trader Joe's? There is 4 in Michigan Ann Arbor, Farnington hills, Rochester Hills & Royal Oaks. Bananas are 19 cents a lbs 29 for Organic.
:banana:


Yes I live about 1/4 mile from the R.O. trader joes. I am there a few times a week. I will buy the orgianic ones, if they look fresher or greener then the reg ones. It isn't a lb though. T.J. sells them per bannana (19 cents or 29 cents piece.) It comes out to the standard 49 cents a pound moslty though. At the whole food near me (need to shop there for some things for DD's allgeries I can't get at other places) it is 49 cents for reg bananna and 99 cents for organic! What drives me nuts is often they are out of reg, so if I want bannanas I have to either make another stop, or pay twice as much!

At the local Mejers it is 10 cents more pound too. Not too bad.

I buy a lot of bannanas. It is stable for young kids. :cool1:
 
The Feb 2006 Consumer Reports had a nice article about organic products and organic labeling.

They had a section on which foods should be bought organic if at all possible. These were the most important:

--Apples, bell peppers, celery, cherries, imported grapes, nectarines, peaches, pears, potatoes, red raspberries, spinach, and strawberries.

These were considered the "dirty dozen" which consistently had much higher levels of pesticides than other produce.

--Meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy

This is because of the hormones, antibiotics, and risk of disease/toxins from the meat and nonorganic feed.

--Baby food

This was listed because young children are more vulnerable to toxins, and also because baby foods are often made of condensed fruits and vegetables which would have concentrated pesticide levels


For other products, they either had them as "nice to have" or a "don't bother". Most of what was included in the "don't bother" category was drug and cosmetic items since there are no federal standards govening organic labeling for those. The "organic" on the label means nothing legally on a shampoo.
 
Oh you're right! Forgot about that, so thanks for reminding me!
Here it is: Link

I won't rehash it, but if you want to buy "organic" milk because you personally think it tastes better, doesn't upset your tummy, or think cows on "organic" farms are happy cows, then go for it. But the bottom line is that in the lab "organic" and "non-organic" milk can't be reliably be told apart. Hormone levels in milk vary from cow to cow and breed to breed (bovine hormones are in all milk). Yes, treated cow have overall increases in hormone levels in their milk but the increase is less than level of natural flucations in cows, so it's actually possible to have a milk from a treated herd that actually has lower levels of hormones in their milk than milk from a "organic" herd.
 
I don't buy Horizon because I have read they treat their cows terribly (and I have seen photos of their feed lots--awful), but I do buy Organic Valley half-and-half and cheese, and Stoneybrook organic yogurt (not all of their yogurt is organic, some just says "natural" so be careful if you're looking for organic).

Non-organic milk is full of hormones AND antibiotics. Plus, cows are treated inhumanely by being crowded into stalls 24 hours a day (no grazing) and are often hooked up to milking machines 24 hours a day (they are given artificial hormones to make them produce more milk). They are in extremely unsanitary conditions on excrement-covered concrete and stalls are so small they often have physical injuries from knocking against them and pressure sores (hence the daily antibiotics in their feed). It's pretty disgusting.
 

DisneyPhD said:
Yes I live about 1/4 mile from the R.O. trader joes. I am there a few times a week. I will buy the orgianic ones, if they look fresher or greener then the reg ones. It isn't a lb though. T.J. sells them per bannana (19 cents or 29 cents piece.) It comes out to the standard 49 cents a pound moslty though. At the whole food near me (need to shop there for some things for DD's allgeries I can't get at other places) it is 49 cents for reg bananna and 99 cents for organic! What drives me nuts is often they are out of reg, so if I want bannanas I have to either make another stop, or pay twice as much!

At the local Mejers it is 10 cents more pound too. Not too bad.

I buy a lot of bannanas. It is stable for young kids. :cool1:

Are you positve about the Bananas being sold a piece? I am floored ! I'm going tommarrow I never saw them count my bananas & I buy like 3 bunches at a time :banana:
 
I grew up on a dairy farm, and cows were treated nothing like described in this thread.

There's no way to get away from hormones in milk. Think about what it is and what produces it. Also, remember that cows are pregnant most of the time!
 
Geoff_M said:
Here it is: Link

I won't rehash it, but if you want to buy "organic" milk because you personally think it tastes better, doesn't upset your tummy, or think cows on "organic" farms are happy cows, then go for it. But the bottom line is that in the lab "organic" and "non-organic" milk can't be reliably be told apart. Hormone levels in milk vary from cow to cow and breed to breed (bovine hormones are in all milk). Yes, treated cow have overall increases in hormone levels in their milk but the increase is less than level of natural flucations in cows, so it's actually possible to have a milk from a treated herd that actually has lower levels of hormones in their milk than milk from a "organic" herd.
I've heard this too lately. It appears that many of our ideas many be nonsense.

I wonder if there is any website that really tells it like it is?
 
My kids and I drink organic milk from Trader Joe's.

I understand the controversy with the "organic" label and what the company really does and the true exposure to pesticides/residues/etc in the fields (ie runoff from other farms), but if I am going to drink milk I want to drink organic from a reputable company though - yes - it isn't the best thing for you anyway (ie pus is in the milk, cow's milk is made for calves, etc).

We also drink soy or almond milk.

I regularly read such info at www.vegsource.com .
 
Geoff_M said:
Here it is: Link

I won't rehash it, but if you want to buy "organic" milk because you personally think it tastes better, doesn't upset your tummy, or think cows on "organic" farms are happy cows, then go for it. But the bottom line is that in the lab "organic" and "non-organic" milk can't be reliably be told apart. Hormone levels in milk vary from cow to cow and breed to breed (bovine hormones are in all milk). Yes, treated cow have overall increases in hormone levels in their milk but the increase is less than level of natural flucations in cows, so it's actually possible to have a milk from a treated herd that actually has lower levels of hormones in their milk than milk from a "organic" herd.

The Green Guide responds:

When speaking of hormones in milk, it is important to first clarify terms. As the FDA has made abundantly clear to milk producers, there is no such thing as "hormone free" milk. All milk, regardless of fat content, contains naturally occurring hormones that cannot be processed away. Not all milk, however, comes from cows that have been treated with recombinant bovine somatotropin (rBST), also referred to as recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH). rBST is presumably the source of your concern.

The Monsanto Company developed this genetically modified version of the naturally occurring pituitary hormone in cows and markets it under the name Posilac. The synthetic hormone, when injected into lactating dairy cows, increases milk production, but may cause health problems for both humans and cattle. The FDA approved the commercial use of rBST in 1993, and within a few years its use had been adopted in roughly 40% of US dairy herds. In the European Union, the use of rBST remains banned.

The health risks of rBST milk surround the increased presence of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I), a mediator of growth hormone action. According to a number of studies and an NIH technology assessment statement, the concentration of IGF-I is higher in milk from cows treated with rBST. The NIH states, moreover, that pasteurization has little or no effect on IGF-I. If pasteurization doesn't do the trick, there is little reason to believe that steaming—as in your espresso—will. "There is no evidence that steaming for that time will make the IGF-I inactive, that it will mitigate the problem," said Michael Hansen of the Consumer Union Policy Institute. In short, the hormones you're worried about will not be "boiled away."

More importantly, the question is whether IGF-I remains intact through human digestion and whether it is biologically active in humans. The FDA insists that any assumption that biologically-active IGF-I is absorbed into the body "is not supported by the main body of science." Reports from European scientists, however, suggest that possible hazardous effects of IGF-I are more difficult to rule out than the FDA is letting on. The wise choice—not to mention the best for cows and farmers—is to stick to organic milk.
 
has anyone else noticed that the organic milk has a longer shelf life than regular milk? so a 1/2 gallon will usually stay for over a month in my refrigerator! we only buy the organic, i think it tastes creamier than regular milk, we did a taste test one day. i also buy organic apples & bananas, as well as organic apple JUICE. the organic meats taste delicious and IMO melt in your mouth ( steaks mostly) we just got a bunch of organic lunchmeat at whole foods, and they were the same price per lb. as my local supermarket for regular lunchmeat... i've noticed that the organic food at whole foods is the same price as regular food at the supermarket that is not on sale.....whole foods does have sales, but not many products... i still love it though!
 
How did you find a company to deliver it?
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In Illinois Oberweiss' dairy delivers milk, ice cream etc. That was one of my favorite things in IL. I miss it. Their milk did taste better and their icecream was better then any I have had.
 
I'm not a milk drinker but did buy organic when DD switched from formula to milk. It was twice the cost of regular milk but still a lot cheaper then formula. After reading all the crap that went into regular milk I just couldn't stomach giving it to a baby. Now that she is older we went back to regular though I've been contemplating going back to Horizons.
 
Tiggeroo said:
In Illinois Oberweiss' dairy delivers milk, ice cream etc. That was one of my favorite things in IL. I miss it. Their milk did taste better and their icecream was better then any I have had.

We drink Oberweiss milk too! (but we dont' have it delivered) Tastes so much better! It's not organic but they don't use growth hormones and they buy from smaller dairies. It's $3.50 a half gallon(but 50 cents of that is the deposit on the bottle, you get it back when you turn the bottle in). But it's just DH and I, so we only go through 1 bottle a week anyway. I don't know what we'll do once we have kids, just suck it up and spend the extra money, I guess!
 
pearlieq said:
As far as I've been able to find out, they run a pretty good company and actually seem to adhere to both the spirit and the letter of organic standards.

I dont' hesitate to buy from them!


That is good to know.
 
Drink organic if you want IMO I won't pay close to 3x as much for milk.

Some of the statements about treatment of cows is just false. Milking machines are very expensive- usually the limiting factor in how many animals a farm has. There is no way a cow would be hooked up to one 24 hrs a day, plus the milker is held on by suction if it was on 24 hrs/day the teat would fall of from lack of circulation. Cows are not fastidious creatures they do not find a place to eliminate different from their bed like a dog or cat. they do their business where they stand and continue to eat.A modern hi tech barn takes care of cleaning this away much better with manure conveyors and sweepers than a old barn that needs shoveled twice a day.

Most importantly farmers do not want to mistreat the animals a mistreated animal is not a good producer. Most farmers take better care of their animals than they do themselves.
 
It's something more expensive than milking machines that limits farm size -- land for both pasture and for growing corn. Of course, land is not necessary if the cows just stand in the barn and get milked 24 hours a day . . . . :rotfl: Those of you who have nursed -- think about this. There's no way that could happen without injuring the cow, and as Hannathy said, cows are expensive and well taken care of.
 
tar heel said:
It's something more expensive than milking machines that limits farm size -- land for both pasture and for growing corn. Of course, land is not necessary if the cows just stand in the barn and get milked 24 hours a day . . . . :rotfl: Those of you who have nursed -- think about this. There's no way that could happen without injuring the cow, and as Hannathy said, cows are expensive and well taken care of.

That is true. On the same hand, not milking a cow that needs it is painful too! ;)

Back to the banannas at trader joes. Pretty sure it is by the bananna, not pound. Check next time you go. It is that way at my local one. I have to say though, I love trader joes! :goodvibes
 
Denine said:
We buy Stoneyfield Farm organic milk. How are their practices?
A couple of years ago I got to know the family who owns Stonyfield Farms. They are very nice people (though I don't know anything about thier business practices). I buy their products as well, my favorite being their strawberry and banana yogurts.
 
Putting on my flame suite!!!
If you want to go totally healthy buy a cow share and get raw milk. People with lactose intolerance are NOT intolerant to cow's milk but to the milk sugar (lactose) produced from the pasteurization process. Raw milk is packed with vitamins, not loaded with vitamins after they have killed all the natural ones with the pasteurization. Jersey milk is my favorite, but you'll end up with so much cream on the top that you'll run out of uses for it after awhile unless you make your own butter. Although the butter thing is fun and easy but takes some time. NOTE!! you must buy from a very clean, sterile farm. Visit the farm, make sure they're washing the udders carefully, etc because bacteria can get into the mile if they're not careful. Homemade yogurt, butter, ice cream and healthy milk mmmmmm.....
 
DisneyPhD said:
That is true. On the same hand, not milking a cow that needs it is painful too! ;)

Back to the banannas at trader joes. Pretty sure it is by the bananna, not pound. Check next time you go. It is that way at my local one. I have to say though, I love trader joes! :goodvibes

I think your right I don't think they have a scale. Dh said it probley still a deal I am stopping on my way home from work this afternoon. :banana:
 





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