Is it wrong to "out" the trolls?

[disneymom3]

I don't see the correlation to comparing the FC "outing" (which I still don't see how it was such an "outing") to what Deafmedic pulled on her friends (and yes I was one of those people). It's not the same. She built a close relationship to a group of people and the a story was made up about her death.

I think you might be referring to my post. Basically for me, I was not referring to FC at all. I was referring to people who are misleading in general on the boards. I have found FC's style of posting odd for sure, but not in the same league at all as total lying and misrepresentation. The original question of the thread was more general to me than the thread has gotten.

In a general way, I think knowing that people are lying or misrepresenting is helpful. At this point the whole FC thing feels more like a witch hunt. Who really gives a rip?

 

[Tuffcookie]

Alright, I have been off the DIS for the last 3 days due to a sinus infection. I am on my lunch hour and don't have the time to read thru all the pages of this post but if I'm understanding right FC was thrown off the DIS????
And why???? I have read alot more offensive things than what he posted.
In fact, I never read anything offensive from him. I stand by my former opinion that he is an adult with Asperger's. I even questioned him about it in pms but he stated he was never diagnosed with it. I told him just because he wasn't diagnosed with it didn't mean he didn't have it.
People with Asperger's will run a subject into the ground and will not pick up on signals of those around them that they lost interest in whatever was being talked about a long time ago. Also, I studied the picture that he posted of himself with the characters. I don't know if it's still there but he appears very stiff, rigid while posing next to them. Aspie's can have normal-high intelligence so it's something that if you're not used to dealing with, can go undetected. As a mom to an Aspie I picked up on alot of "quirkiness" and am convienced I'm right about FC. I think he may have found it hard to talk to people face-to-face and found the DIS to be a place where he could talk.
I wish him nothing but the best.

TC

 

[Wonderlandmom]

Before his post went "poof" there was a post by a CM that his pics were NOT photoshop edited and SHE was in one of the mice costumes. So I took it the photos were real.

 

[VSL]

I don't know if he was thrown off the DIS, but if you go back a few pages there is a link to another board where he posted in a much more adult-like way - definitely not like the way he posts here. Oh, and he said that he was going to post here in a very soft and child-like manner as a way to introduce us to animal rights.

ETA - here is the link (again).

 

[AngieBelle]

Before his post went "poof" there was a post by a CM that his pics were NOT photoshop edited and SHE was in one of the mice costumes. So I took it the photos were real.

Yes, that was me. I've actually seen the t-shirt that says "I Love Suzy and Perla," and in the photo on his shirt, he is wearing another shirt that says, "I'm their little baby." So even if he is dumbing down his personality to speak to us here on the DIS, he really does have a thing for Suzy and Perla. He's also shown me a ton of pics of him with characters that were right off the official photopass site, and therefore couldn't have been altered.

I hadn't read any of his posts at the time he approached us at WDW. The only thing that struck me as odd at the time was the "I'm Their Little Baby" quote. Also, usually when someone is clearly your biggest fan, you expect them to get extremely excited, especially when you give them extra attention for it. He mostly just stood there and didn't say much, although he showed us a page of pictures of him with the mice. I did get the impression he had some mental disabilities. (Remember, this is without having any previous encounters.) I hate to use his words, but he did remind me of a shy child who isn't really sure if he wants to be there with the characters.

I can tell you he did absolutely nothing inappropriate. He did not stare or try to touch us, etc.

He started IMing me right after I saw a pic of him on the DIS and told him I'd been in a picture with him. Again, in our conversations, he has done nothing inappropriate. His interest is purely in the characters. He hasn't made any attempt to meet me or find out more info about me. In fact, he has often told me not to tell him when I was going to be a specific character during one of his visits because it makes it easier to pretend they are real. He brought up the animal rights thing casually once, but not forcefully, and was respectful when I told him that I like to eat meat. (Actually, he brought it up as an example of how he doesn't push his ideas on others.)

From chatting with him, I got the impression that he just doesn't understand why people think he is strange. He sees his behavior as completely normal.

I saw the Peta posts, and I have to agree that he uses a different voice- at least one that uses much shorter and more consise sentences. If he has an agenda, he is going about it in a very pecular way.

I'm not defending or supporting him- I'm just telling you what I know.

 

[glass-slipper]

Thank you AngieBelle for posting your experience. Maybe some have been too quick to judge FC. If he really does have issues, I feel sorry for the way he was treated in some of the threads and worry about what type of reaction this all will cause him.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Angiebelle, thank you for sharing all of that.

 

[ford family]

The link posted by VSL is very revealing, I hadn't realised this connection existed. The individual seems to be a member or a supporter of what is widely considered to be a terrorist organisation. They obviously believe that the DISboards are populated mainly by children and that the introduction of discussions that suggest animals are mistreated can become an entry point to weightier discussions about veganism and animal rights.

I think it is right that this kind of deceitful practise results in being banned. If this individual was operating in the UK then their details could be passed to the authorities to add to the list of animal rights extremists under surveilance.

ford family

 

[Miss Jasmine]

The link posted by VSL is very revealing, I hadn't realised this connection existed. The individual seems to be a member or a supporter of what is widely considered to be a terrorist organisation. They obviously believe that the DISboards are populated mainly by children and that the introduction of discussions that suggest animals are mistreated can become an entry point to weightier discussions about veganism and animal rights.

I think it is right that this kind of deceitful practise results in being banned. If this individual was operating in the UK then their details could be passed to the authorities to add to the list of animal rights extremists under surveilance.

ford family

Perhaps you should actually KNOW what you are talking about before you post. FC lives in Florida. He didn't think the DIS was populated with children. There is no THEY. This isn't some grand conspiracy.

 

[Wonderlandmom]

I did get the impression he had some mental disabilities. (Remember, this is without having any previous encounters.) I hate to use his words, but he did remind me of a shy child who isn't really sure if he wants to be there with the characters.

I can tell you he did absolutely nothing inappropriate. He did not stare or try to touch us, etc.

I'm not defending or supporting him- I'm just telling you what I know.

Thank you for jumping in this thread and sharing this.

 

[DisMN]

AngieBelle, it's good to see you posting!
I'm glad you chimed in on this thread. I'm also amazed by the people who've never "met" someone who's a little bit different than they are. Wow.....talk about sheltered lives.

I thank god every day for the kind generous spirted people out there in internet-land and I look forward to seeing more posts by FC.


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[Dan Murphy]

Thanks, AB, for your insights.

 

[LanaJayne]

I guess what bothers me the most about all of this is the deceitful nature in which this poster chose to introduce his beliefs and that it was done with pre-meditation. No real harm done, just a personality type that I find very questionable.

Also, even more disturbing is the fact that he treats the disney message boards that he frequents as an introduction service, giving so much personal information about his height and his physical description. He has many links to IM screen names if you would like to chat with him. I find it distasteful to read about his his animal fantasies. I see a big difference between collecting stuffed animals and sometimes cuddling them to continually expressing your love for them. Reading that he wants to keep the image that the characters are real, after reading how cute they are sleeping on top of him, is really too much.

All in all, if he is "special," someone needs to look out for him because with all of times/places given where he will be dining he is possibly putting himself in danger, and if he is not mentally compromised he is definately trying to attract some type of strange attention.

This is his bio from another Disney board.




Date of Birth:
January 27th, 1977
Age:
29
Biography:
I am Flower's Precious Child. I am a male, I have dark hair, blue/green eyes , I am 6 feet 3 inches tall, tan , and I am very Shy and Cute
Location:
In the Forest with my Tiny Friend Flower
Interests:
Flower the Skunk is my Little Friend , I enjoy playing with him , I like talking to him , also I like to Cuddle with him. Many nights when I am sleeping Flower sleeps right on top of me, it's so Cute
Occupation:
I am a Vegan
Favorite Disney Movie:
Bambi
Favorite Disney Character:
Flower

 

[Missy1961]

I read a few of his posts, but I just wasn't sure what was true or not. I just never posted on any of his threads, and I stopped reading his posts. And there is one thing that bothers me a bit--yes, that post on that other board has the same name & it appears that it could be the same person. But what if the post on the other board is someone else? It could be THAT person who is the troll, and not the FC that posts here. I admit I was creeped out by his posts here, but that's not his problem.

Generally, I have no problem if people "out" trolls, or posters who aren't honest. I'm not sure if either was true here.

 

[ford family]

Perhaps you should actually KNOW what you are talking about before you post. FC lives in Florida. He didn't think the DIS was populated with children. There is no THEY. This isn't some grand conspiracy.

Not too sure why you are getting so snippy.
Living in Florida isn't a guarantee of being normal, we live there ourselves for part of the year!!
The "they" referred to the people on the short thread that was linked to, where the poster below Flower Child (called Boar) responded with:

Yu're quite right, both methods are needed. It stands to reason that the message needed to get through to a young child is different to that which is needed for a group of badger baiters!

Hopefully children see the logic in the ethical argument as they have a purer view of right and wrong, it juts needs to be put to them.

I've often thought that everyone would be vegetarian if they weren't shielded by society from the realities of the meat industry when they are children.

Have you thought about mentioning meat eating in the same tone on that board in the future? That could make a huge difference. Venison = Bambies mum etc

And as for grand conspiracy, who said it was? The individual on the ALF board sounds cold and calculating, pretending to be a mild animal welfare supporter to gain an audience and soften them up for more "intense" messages.
But that's only my opinion, expressed without side.

ford family

 

[JerseyJanice]

Im sorry and In a hurry, I apologize for mixing you two up! I need a new pair of glasses in a big way.

Thank you, Angie Belle, for relating your impressions.

And one more comment (for now--obviously this whole thing has me pulled in), I don't think that calling FC "deceitful" is a fair thing to do.

Calling someone "deceitful" implies that they deliberately lie. In FC's case, I think he simply has a different style of expressing himself.

 

[poohandwendy]

Wow, this thread is going on and on and on.

I am not convinced that he is on the up and up, but I am certainly not going to waste my time worried about it either. I do not have to open his threads and I would not go out of my way to get in his face, in any way. Live and let live.

Everyone has the right to their opinion, but I really think this is not a huge big deal. At this point, I think much of the arguing at this point has more to do with personality differences between posters here than with FC himself.

 

[eclectics]

Although I've always taken FC's posts with a grain of salt, I never found him to be particularly trollish. He certainly is different but frankly, I'd rather read one of his seemingly harmless posts than have to read someone who constantly likes to pot stir.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Not too sure why you are getting so snippy.
Living in Florida isn't a guarantee of being normal, we live there ourselves for part of the year!!
The "they" referred to the people on the short thread that was linked to, where the poster below Flower Child (called Boar) responded with:

Yu're quite right, both methods are needed. It stands to reason that the message needed to get through to a young child is different to that which is needed for a group of badger baiters!

Hopefully children see the logic in the ethical argument as they have a purer view of right and wrong, it juts needs to be put to them.

I've often thought that everyone would be vegetarian if they weren't shielded by society from the realities of the meat industry when they are children.

Have you thought about mentioning meat eating in the same tone on that board in the future? That could make a huge difference. Venison = Bambies mum etc

And as for grand conspiracy, who said it was? The individual on the ALF board sounds cold and calculating, pretending to be a mild animal welfare supporter to gain an audience and soften them up for more "intense" messages.
But that's only my opinion, expressed without side.

ford family

I took your first post to mean that if he was in the UK he should be reported, I was simply saying he does not live in the UK, he lives here in Florida. FC wasn't the one who thought the DIS was filled with kids, it was another poster as you pointed out. So it was this ONE particular poster not THEY. That's all. Sorry, I was a bit snippy.

 

[JerseyJanice]

I am not convinced that he is on the up and up, but I am certainly not going to waste my time worried about it either.

Ah, you might want to look back a page or two and read what Angiebelle, who has met him in person, had to say.

And you don't need to waste your time worrying about him because some of us here worry plenty about hurting the feelings of special people like FC.

There are some people who entertained themselves in a big way speculating on whether or not FC was "on the up and up" as you put it (though not on this board, thank Heaven). I hope these same people read AB's post and hesitate to join in on the "fun" if somebody like FC starts posting here in the future.

The things that were said about this poster were deplorable. It was bad enough that so-called adults thought it perfectly fine to openly discuss whether or not somebody has a mental disability, but to throw a slew of filthy jokes and insinuations on top of that...what can be said?