Is it really food poisoning?

JennyDrake said:
OK, I'm happy to chime in as I do have THE ANSWERS!!

First of all, the fastest ANy food poisoning strikes as far as symptoms is at least 8 HOURS.

Second, BY FAR, most types of food poisoning do not affect the victim for 2-5 DAYS. By nature, every examines what they last injested, when in fact you need to be looking back for as long as five days. It takes that long for the bacteria to set up shop, mulitply, and affect teh body.

BTW, the CDC does not consider it to be a bona fide food borne illness unless at least 5 people are affected who are not related and ndo not reside within the same household.

Jenny Drake, MSPH, RS

Great points Jenny. I also found it interesting that people believed they had food poisoning from a certain place because they felt sick 45 minutes or only a few hours after eating. At least now they know it either wasn't food poisoning, or if it was, it was probably from a different meal earlier in the day or another meal over the prior few days.
 
JennyDrake said:
Second, BY FAR, most types of food poisoning do not affect the victim for 2-5 DAYS. By nature, every examines what they last injested, when in fact you need to be looking back for as long as five days. It takes that long for the bacteria to set up shop, mulitply, and affect teh body.

This is exactly what I came here to post, and I'm highlighting it again. 45 minutes after eating means that it definitely is NOT food poisoning.
 
One other thing to consider, I get dehydrated and heat stroke very easily. When your walking around Disney it's easy to get heat stroke, especially on those hot days.

Symptoms are similar to food posioning. Chills, nausea, body aches and headaches. One minute your fine next minute your violently sick. Some many people think it's something they ate and all the time it's heat stroke.
 
WRONG! Symptoms of food poisoning can present 30 minutes after eating the contaminated food/beverage! :sad2:
 

minkydog said:
good points. When i contracted campylobacter from handling raw chicken(in my own kitchen :rolleyes:) I didn't get sick until the next afternoon, but I thought I was gonna die. I have never hurt like that before or since. A friend drove me to the doctor, who was able to give me some meds and antibiotics. All I wanted to do was crawl in a hole and die.


Oh honey! I FEEL for you! I contracted confirmed campylobacter from (suspected) refried beans that had been inproperly cooled, held over and re-served. I lost 14 pounds in 7 days and have never had such severe stomach cramping in my life. It was almost 3 weeks before I felt 100% again, but I couldn't tolerate the first antibioitc, so I "lost" three recovery days.
 
LakeAriel said:
WRONG! Symptoms of food poisoning can present 30 minutes after eating the contaminated food/beverage! :sad2:

Most food borne illnesses take at least 2 hours to appear. Many are much longer than that--6 hours to 2 days.

Beth
 
I used to be a RN in the ER in my past life. Here is what I know is fact.
The symptoms from the most common types of food poisoning generally start within 2 to 6 hours of eating the food responsible. That time may be longer (even a number of days) or shorter, depending on the toxin or organism responsible for the food poisoning.

Bacteria Responsible for causing Food Poisoning

Staphylococcus aureus Produces a heat-stable toxin Nose and throat of 30 to 50 percent of healthy population; also skin and superficial wounds. Meat and seafood salads, sandwich spreads and high salt foods. Nausea, vomiting and diarrhea within 4 to 6 hours. No fever. Poor personal hygiene and subsequent temperature abuse. No growth below 40o F. Bacteria are destroyed by normal cooking but toxin is heat-stable.

Salmonella Produces an intestinal infection Intestinal tracts of animals and man High protein foods - meat; poultry, fish and eggs. Diarrhea nausea, chills, vomiting and fever within 12 to 24 hours. contamination of ready-to-eat foods, insufficient cooking and recontamination of cooked foods. No growth below 40o F. Bacteria are destroyed by normal cooking.

Clostridium perfringens Produces a spore and prefers low oxygen atmosphere. Live cells must be ingested. dust, soil and gastrointestinal tracts of animals and man. Meat and poultry dishes, sauces and gravies. Cramps and diarrhea within 12 to 24 hours. No vomiting or fever. Improper temperature control of hot foods, and recontamination. No growth below 40o degrees F. Bacteria are killed by normal cooking but a heat-stable spore can survive.

Clostridium botulinum Produces a spore and requires a low oxygen atmosphere. Produces a heat-sensitive toxin. Soils, plants, marine sediments and fish. Home-canned foods. Blurred vision, respiratory distress and possible DEATH. Improper methods of home-processing foods. Type E and Type B can grow at 38o F. Bacteria destroyed by cooking and the toxin is destroyed by boiling for 5 to 10 minutes. Heat-resistant spore can survive.

Vibrio parahaemolyticus Requires salt for growth. Fish and shellfish Raw and cooked seafood. Diarrhea, cramps, vomiting, headache and fever within 12 to 24 hours. Recontamination of cooked foods or eating raw seafood. No growth below 40o F. Bacteria killed by normal cooking.

Bacillus cereus Produces a spore and grows in normal oxygen atmosphere. soil, dust and spices. Starchy food. Mild case of diarrhea and some nausea within 12 to 24 hours. Improper holding and stroage temperatures after cooking. No growth below 40o F. Bacteria killed by normal cooking, but heat-resistant spore can survive.

Listeria monocytogenes Survives adverse conditions for long time periods. Soil, vegetation and water. Can survive for long periods in soil and plant materials. Milk, soft cheeses, vegetables fertilized with manure. Mimics meningitis. Immuno- compromised individuals most susceptible. Contaminated raw products. Grows at refrigeration (38-40o F.) temperatures. May survive minimum pasturization tempertures (161o F. for 15 seconds.)

Campylobacter jejuni Oxygen sensitive, does not grow below 86o F. Animal reservoirs and foods of animal origin. Meat, poulty, milk, and mushrooms. Diarrhea, abdomianl cramps and nausea. Improper pasteuriztion or cooking. cross-contamination. Sensitive to drying or freezing. Survives in milk and water at 39 o F for several weeks.

Versinia enterocolitica Not frequent cause of human infection. Poultry, beef, swine. Isolated only in human pathogen. Milk, tofu, and pork. Diarrhea, abdominal pain, vomiting. Mimics appendicitis. Improper cooking. Cross-contamination. Grows at refrigeration temperatures (35-40o F.) Sensitive to heat (122 oF.)

Enteropathogenic E. coli Can produce toxins that are heat stable and others that are heat-sensitive. Feces of infected humans. Meat and cheeses. Diarrhea, abdominal cramps, no fever. Inadequate cooking. Recontamination of cooked product. Organisms can be controlled by heating. Can grow at refrigeration temperature

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I'm happy that my original post sparked so much thought and healthy debate. I'm learning quite a bit in this thread!
 
I am someone who is sometimes rather "sensible" to food, but sometimes, it seems I can handle about everything.

Many times when I go to fancier restaurants (like the one at the Brussels Sofitel Astoria, 5*, it's where the royals stay) I am sick afterwards, usually as the only one of the group (who all ate the same thing). It's because I am sensible to some ingredients (For the record: I can eat all kinds of gross food at McDonalds, and don't feel sick afterwards, go figure!)
Almost every time I eat seafood, I get sick afterwards. (You should think I get smart and stop eating seafood... no way, I like it too much, and that way, I won't get fat from it, haha!)

Some foods that don't agree with you is not the same as food poisoning, as one poster already mentioned, food poisoning occurs after many hours.

And even if it IS foor poisoning, therefore it isn't always the restaurant's fault. If they recieve food from their suppliers that has some bacteria, the thing is ruined. And I am so certain that someone will respond with "but they SHOULD KNOW about it then". There is no way they can know about every bite that leaves the kitchen, unless they try every bite first... and I think we all agree that isn't possible :)
 
Hello. Thanks for all the great info above. I think Disney should be held to a very high standard when it comes to preventing illness caused by food. When you are at Disney staying in 1 hotel room for a week you have limited choices of ways to eat on your own because the rooms have just a small refrigerator. Disney wants you to eat in their restaurants. I do worry about food poisoning when traveling because the odds seem higher when you are eating out 2-3 meals a day for 7 days. The home away from home resorts are very expensive. Wouldn't it be great if all the rooms had mini kitchens.
 


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