Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[TLSnell1981]

Did anyone else have an issue with the way they described their plans last January as "working towards financial independence"? Hello? "Working towards"? With a combined net worth of over $20 million (conservative estimate) before they even left?

Not exactly a firm grasp on the real world. May be some one should text M&H the definition of privileged.

 

[cabanafrau]

In Belgium, the firstborn male heir of the monarch was called the Prince of Liège.

When they decided this wasn't 'fair', they had to abolish the title altogether (or else make a putative Princess of Liège's marriage more or less morganatic or else make her become like a perpetual nun: neither of these were realistic). In theory a female Belgian Princess later succeeding to the throne could be married to someone without a title, such as Monsieur X. Dupont (rather like Princess Alexandra being married to The Hon. Angus Ogilvy) but in practice Sa Majesté et Monsieur Dupont would be unlikely to be accepted.

Mrs. Simpson becoming the Duchess of Windsor meant that she could not be HRH. When the Duke of Windsor went to the US he wanted to be part of the British Embassy's diplomatic mission (so as to avoid tax): having the Duchess of Windsor becoming HRH - which is what he also wanted - would have meant the Duchess, as an American, not paying tax either in the US as the Royal wife of a diplomat - needless to say, none of this worked out.

I was discussing the British royal family and the rather recent change in rules about primogeniture. Theoretically if Charlotte had been William's first child she might one day assume the title of Princess of Wales by her own right, not that of marrying into it.

 

[person]

Legally Camilla is the princess of Wales, but is styled as Duchess of Cornwall. Camilla had the option to use 'princess' in daily life, but as that title and the addition 'of Wales' was so associated with Diana, and she definitely wasn't popular when she married Charles, she didn't take the title. Most likely Kate will take it when Charles becomes king and William becomes Prince of Wales.

It would have been an odd situation if Charles had married Camilla before his divorced former wife happened to die tragically: the legalities of having two Princesses of Wales simultaneously would even have baffled courtiers such as the ingenious Sir Tommy Lascelles.

 

[cabanafrau]

It would have been an odd situation if Charles had married Camilla before his divorced former wife happened to die tragically: the legalities of having two Princesses of Wales simultaneously would even have baffled courtiers such as the ingenious Sir Tommy Lascelles.

I thought Diana gave up the title in the divorce?

 

[TLSnell1981]

I thought Diana gave up the title in the divorce?

I think Diana lost her HRH but was still the Princess of Wales. After her death the title was vacated? Not a Brit and don't know protocol but think it is Camilla's IF she wanted to use it.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Sorry, started this earlier...

I feel that if Harry and Meghan want to become filthy rich, live in a mansion in CA among the beautiful people, hobnob with everyone but their own families, etc., then hey, more power to them. But I don’t feel it’s right to do that on the laurels of their royal titles, especially Meghan, who was part of the Royal Family for about two seconds. They wanted separation and a private life, then separate and have a private life! They can’t have it both ways! They can’t get involved in American politics as royals! I’m not sure what‘s so difficult about that to understand!

Their actions over the past year have shown that they do want to have it both ways. They know without their titles they would not be able to pull in these exorbitant salaries. It’s really an affront to all the working royals who keep their opinions to themselves, and hold their noses while welcoming guests they may not personally care for, in the interest of global relations. I get that Meghan wants to be a feminist. Fine, be a feminist - as a private citizen. Meghan darn well knew what she was getting herself into when she married Harry. She’s an intelligent woman who studied Princess Diana and the RF, and even visited Buckingham Palace when she was a teen. Her degree, as I pointed out earlier, is in International Relations and Theater. This says a lot.

The people of the UK loved her when she became Harry’s intended. They have loved him since he was a little boy who lost his mother and wanted him to finally be happy. Some petulance started on both their parts during their wedding planning. Meghan reportedly made Kate cry one day at a bridal party fitting for young Charlotte. (Um, probably not a great idea.) And then, yes, the infamous, “Meghan gets what Meghan wants” from Harry over wearing a particular tiara she was told she couldn’t wear. Separation from William and Kate in living spaces and working offices. A 3 million dollar public-supported renovation of Frogmore Cottage, etc., but still not happy; feels no one cared about her. Seeing a pattern, maybe? Especially when it comes to “family”? Dad, admittedly a numbskull but reportedly a loving father to Meghan, laying in the hospital after a heart attack and being scolded by Harry. I don’t see that Dad was much cared about, or for, during that whole fiasco. It’s hypocritical to claim you don’t feel cared about when you don‘t do much caring yourself.

 

[Cheburashka]

I thought Diana gave up the title in the divorce?

She became officially known as Diana, Princess of Wales upon her divorce. What she lost was the HRH, which meant that she officially was no longer royal. Just like Saran Ferguson became Sarah, Duchess of York upon her divorce, but no longer HRH. They maintained titles, just not royal titles.

That is what some people want for Harry & Meghan. For them to be known as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, but to lose (not just "not use") their HRH, so they will officially no longer be royal & their actions will no longer reflect on the royal family.

 

[person]

I thought Diana gave up the title in the divorce?

On her divorce, she was stripped of her HRH, but remained, Diana, Princess of Wales.

Then the tragic event. Then because the Palace did not want Earl Spencer, her brother, completely directing the funeral, the Palace offered to restore Diana's HRH posthumously. The Earl and his family declined to cooperate with this honour. Then all parties ostensibly agreed that Diana would not be posthumously HRH after all. Except that the Palace draped the coffin with a Royal standard anyway, as if to declare that the Palace, rather than the Earl and his family, were in charge of the funeral.

 

[cabanafrau]

I don't believe all of the reports about this squabble and this dust up are necessarily the truth. When I see and hear their words and their actions and they're not credible or they're not walking the talk, that's when I feel free to form an opinion. That op ed about the miscarriage was one of the most disingenuous, manipulative, phony and self serving things I ever read -- and I get letters and phone calls from and talk to addicts, criminals, guardians and parents under investigation for abuse and neglect on a regular basis.

I'm not suggesting the miscarriage didn't happen, or that it wasn't painful. I'm saying I don't believe her account of the events and I find it particularly preposterous coming from people who are always grousing about intrusions into their privacy, so much so that they're filing lawsuits about it. They have an absolute right to their privacy. Have at it, simply pick a lane and walk the talk.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/s...amilla-parker-bowles-princess-of-wales-title/

https://www.rd.com/article/the-real-reason-camilla-parker-bowles-isnt-called-a-princess/

https://www.biography.com/news/prince-charles-camilla-parker-bowles-relationship-history

 

[TLSnell1981]

On her divorce, she was stripped of her HRH, but remained, Diana, Princess of Wales.

Then the tragic event. Then because the Palace did not want Earl Spencer, her brother, completely directing the funeral, the Palace offered to restore Diana's HRH posthumously. The Earl and his family declined to cooperate with this honour. Then all parties ostensibly agreed that Diana would not be posthumously HRH after all. Except that the Palace draped the coffin with a Royal standard anyway, as if to declare that the Palace, rather than the Earl and his family, were in charge of the funeral.

I don't blame the Earl for refusing the HRH. Too little too late.. Although Diana bore responsibility for her circumstances. I also thought the use of the Royal standard was appropriate...partly for the grieving masses but MOSTLY for William and Harry. The gesture was appropriate IMO

 

[TLSnell1981]

I don't believe all of the reports about this squabble and this dust up are necessarily the truth. When I see and hear their words and their actions and they're not credible or they're not walking the talk, that's when I feel free to form an opinion. That op ed about the miscarriage was one of the most disingenuous, manipulative, phony and self serving things I ever read -- and I get letters and phone calls from and talk to addicts, criminals, guardians and parents under investigation for abuse and neglect on a regular basis.

I'm not suggesting the miscarriage didn't happen, or that it wasn't painful. I'm saying I don't believe her account of the events and I find it particularly preposterous coming from people who are always grousing about intrusions into their privacy, so much so that they're filing lawsuits about it. They have an absolute right to their privacy. Have at it, simply pick a lane and walk the talk.

I agree. I know people grieve/cope differently but the article regarding the miscarriage struck me as very odd. Perhaps MM jots down every thought or feeling but...not how most experience trauma. JMO

 

[Pea-n-Me]

In one of the articles I posted above, it states that Diana was given back her HRH posthumously as they didn’t want her brother, The Earl of Spencer, to run the whole funeral. And I’m guessing because the public loved her so much. Her casket was draped with a royal covering. She was, after all, the mother of the future King of England.

 

[person]

I don't blame the Earl for refusing the HRH. Too little too late.. Although Diana bore responsibility for her circumstances......

In a manner of speaking, so did the Prince of Wales.

 

[person]

I was discussing the British royal family and the rather recent change in rules about primogeniture. Theoretically if Charlotte had been William's first child she might one day assume the title of Princess of Wales by her own right, not that of marrying into it.

In those circumstances, if she married they would be have to be either the Princess of Wales and Mr. Smith or the Princess of Wales and the Duke of Milton Keynes, etc. ; they could not easily be the Princess and Prince of Wales.

 

[EMom]

I don't believe all of the reports about this squabble and this dust up are necessarily the truth. When I see and hear their words and their actions and they're not credible or they're not walking the talk, that's when I feel free to form an opinion. That op ed about the miscarriage was one of the most disingenuous, manipulative, phony and self serving things I ever read -- and I get letters and phone calls from and talk to addicts, criminals, guardians and parents under investigation for abuse and neglect on a regular basis.

I'm not suggesting the miscarriage didn't happen, or that it wasn't painful. I'm saying I don't believe her account of the events and I find it particularly preposterous coming from people who are always grousing about intrusions into their privacy, so much so that they're filing lawsuits about it. They have an absolute right to their privacy. Have at it, simply pick a lane and walk the talk.

That op ed about her miscarriage was a manipulative and artificial attempt at attention grabbing. No one who actually wants their privacy would have written such a piece. And I say this as a woman who has suffered multiple miscarriages. It reeked of drama and "Look at me and how woke I am!"

 

[TLSnell1981]

In one of the articles I posted above, it states that Diana was given back her HRH posthumously as they didn’t want her brother, The Earl of Spencer, to run the whole funeral. And I’m guessing because the public loved her so much. Her casket was draped with a royal covering. She was, after all, the mother of the future King of England.

I know Spencer refused it and didnt blame him at the time. There were so many emotions flowing when she died...everyone in shock! It was so very sad. It's one of three celebrity deaths that I will always remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard the news. A terrible ending to her story.

 

[TLSnell1981]

In a manner of speaking, so did the Prince of Wales.

Of course. So much was wrong before and afterwards. I always put a bit more responsibility on the family because Diana was sooooo very young when they married. Ultimately she choose to strike the final blow. She had to know divorce would be the result. I don't think anyone had a clue what would happen when she lost her security detail. But she used the paps to her advantage and they were also her demise. Yes I know Henri Paul was also culpable but would've been a non factor if not for the media circus.

 

[ronandannette]

Legally Camilla is the princess of Wales, but is styled as Duchess of Cornwall. Camilla had the option to use 'princess' in daily life, but as that title and the addition 'of Wales' was so associated with Diana, and she definitely wasn't popular when she married Charles, she didn't take the title. Most likely Kate will take it when Charles becomes king and William becomes Prince of Wales.

Will Charlotte also then be Princess of Wales or will she remain Princess of Cambridge? It seems weird that their might be two, but both Beatrice and Eugenie were Princesses of York. Or maybe does Charlotte then become the Princess Royal?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Will Charlotte also then be Princess of Wales or will she remain Princess of Cambridge? It seems weird that their might be two, but both Beatrice and Eugenie were Princesses of York. Or maybe does Charlotte then become the Princess Royal?

Princess Royal?