Is it feasible for a Big & Tall man to fly coach?

[wvjules]

There are seats that do not recline and they don't charge less for those.



There is nothing someone with long legs can do about the length of their legs...More of the ME FIRST mentality at it's best.

Are you talking about the passenger that can't recline in their reclinable seat or are you talking about the passenger that is preventing the one in front him from reclining? Who is the one with the "ME FIRST" attitude?

 

[wvjules]

I strongly agree. I think this feature should be disabled on all airplanes. The rows are just too close together to make sense anymore. I think that those who recline their seats are infringing on my space. If you recline your seat and I don't have enough room to use my tray, the you are taking away one of the features I paid for. It is just rude to recline your seat into someones lap. You should at least ask the person behind you first. But better yet would be if the airlines just admitted that they are packing you on in such a small area that reclining seats just don't work.

The trays don't move when the seat reclines. Also the seats don't go back that far to be in your lap. I have never had an issue where someone reclining prohibited me from using my tray or made me the least bit uncomfortable.

 

[asta]

The trays don't move when the seat reclines. Also the seats don't go back that far to be in your lap. I have never had an issue where someone reclining prohibited me from using my tray or made me the least bit uncomfortable.

This is really just simple geometry. When the seat is reclined, the angle between the tray being used and the back of the seat is reduced. This reduces the height of the area that can be used on the tray. This may never have inconvenienced you but it may have disturbed others. I still don't see how your right to recline is any more important than my right to have full use of my tray. This is an issue that airlines should address. Short of that happening, it would only be polite if you checked with the person behind you before reclining.

 

[Nancyg56]

I really hate it when people recline their seats. I feel like they are in my lap. Then I have to recline my seat, which I do not want to do. I feel like when people recline the seats, they are infringing on my space. I wish the airlines would disable the seat recline in coach. Or if everyone on the plane agreed not to recline their seats, or everyone reclines. Yeah, take a vote before each flight!

Me too. I always seem to have someone in front of me reclining and I feel as though they are in my lap. Can they? Yes. But I sure wish they would not and would love it if the seats did nto recline. Maybe when there was more room between rows thie reclining seat was nice but now it is pretty difficult for the person behind them.

 

[DizBelle]

I strongly agree. I think this feature should be disabled on all airplanes. The rows are just too close together to make sense anymore. I think that those who recline their seats are infringing on my space. If you recline your seat and I don't have enough room to use my tray, the you are taking away one of the features I paid for. It is just rude to recline your seat into someones lap. You should at least ask the person behind you first. But better yet would be if the airlines just admitted that they are packing you on in such a small area that reclining seats just don't work.

The seats in their upright position are designed and tested for maximum safety during takeoff and landing. That is, they are designed to be really upright to accomodate the plane position during takeoff. For me at least, the non-reclined seat is too upright to be comfortable when the plane is level. With the seat upright, my head is forward of my body putting extra stress on my neck. For me to be comfortable at all, I need to recline the seat at least a bit - enough to move my head back an inch or so so it is actually over my body and not dangling in the space in front of my body requiring my neck to do a lot of work and therefore cause pain.

 

[shortbun]

I really hate it when people recline their seats. I feel like they are in my lap. Then I have to recline my seat, which I do not want to do. I feel like when people recline the seats, they are infringing on my space. I wish the airlines would disable the seat recline in coach. Or if everyone on the plane agreed not to recline their seats, or everyone reclines. Yeah, take a vote before each flight!

I also hate those people who recline just because they can, forcing me to recline or not be able to use my tray table. Imho, people who automatically recline are rude and thoughtless. Again, it's my OPINION but I'm not the only one. People, think of the people around you. Quit acting like you are on some deserted island and your actions do not affect others. Btw, if you have so few boundaries that you feel it necessary to put your head in my lap, I'm going to talk to you all the way to our destination. OK?

 

[DizBelle]

I also hate those people who recline just because they can, forcing me to recline or not be able to use my tray table. Imho, people who automatically recline are rude and thoughtless. Again, it's my OPINION but I'm not the only one. People, think of the people around you. Quit acting like you are on some deserted island and your actions do not affect others. Btw, if you have so few boundaries that you feel it necessary to put your head in my lap, I'm going to talk to you all the way to our destination. OK?

Don't you think it is rude and thoughtless to ask someone to endure neck pain that will last long after the flight is over? I would say that your asking someone not to recline is YOU acting like you are on some deserted island thinking your actions are not affecting others.

 

[shortbun]

The trays don't move when the seat reclines. Also the seats don't go back that far to be in your lap. I have never had an issue where someone reclining prohibited me from using my tray or made me the least bit uncomfortable.

Yeah, you are wrong about this. I have had people recline so that I can see the top of their heads. And, the tray comes down but it pokes me in the knees or thighs and will not come down all the way. I've been flying a lot since the 70's and this just gets worse and worse as the airlines make the seats smaller and the rows closer. Recline if you are flying at night and everyone else is sleeping. Otherwise, bring a book and sit up like you would anywhere else. We don't often disagree but this is one topic I'm pretty clear about. I was a travel agent for 27 years and have studied pitch and space in airline seats to a pretty major extent. My husband is 6'5" and about 220. He has a really rough time if the person in front of him reclines. He can't stand, he has to sit with his leg in all the way in the aisle and his tray table will not lay flat enough to sit anything on it.

 

[N&B'smom]

It's a shame I'm not sitting in front of you all, I absolutely NEVER recline my seat. I think it's uncomfortable!

 

[shortbun]

Don't you think it is rude and thoughtless to ask someone to endure neck pain that will last long after the flight is over? I would say that your asking someone not to recline is YOU acting like you are on some deserted island thinking your actions are not affecting others.

Not at all!!!! If you can not avoid neck pain unless you are reclining then you need medical help and it has nothing to do with my 'island.' Do you actually spend your whole life in a reclining position to avoid neck pain? You probably should not be flying. How in the world do you drive, read, work without reclining? Bring a blow up pillow(like I do), put your seat back a little but not all the way. Keep your head out of my lap!

 

[asta]

Don't you think it is rude and thoughtless to ask someone to endure neck pain that will last long after the flight is over? I would say that your asking someone not to recline is YOU acting like you are on some deserted island thinking your actions are not affecting others.

Out of respect to the person behind me I do not recline my seat and I have never experienced any neck pain before or after the flight. That of course does not mean that you do not have a condition that causes pain if you sit upright. I think that if this is the case, the polite thing to do is to ask the person behind you if they mind. This is an unusual situation but I can't imagine that I would not want to help someone out if they explained that they were in pain. This all has to do with respecting those around you.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Not at all!!!! If you can not avoid neck pain unless you are reclining then you need medical help and it has nothing to do with my 'island.' Do you actually spend your whole life in a reclining position to avoid neck pain? You probably should not be flying. How in the world do you drive, read, work without reclining? Bring a blow up pillow(like I do), put your seat back a little but not all the way. Keep your head out of my lap!

Some people cannot sit up perfectly straight regardless of medical interventions. What treatment would you suggest?

(I have a reverse curve in my neck--no need to surgically correct--but the little "poof" at the tops of chairs, causes me to have a headache. I cannot use a particular recliner we have b/c of this.)

To me--the whole recline is pretty pointless. I don't know what airlines y'all are flying to see the tops of people's heads.

But again--for me, the very subtle recline available, allows me to sit upright and relax in a position that is closer to a normal upright position.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Some people cannot sit up perfectly straight regardless of medical interventions. What treatment would you suggest?

I've never flown a truly low-cost airline, but I've never seen an airplane seat where the seatback is at a 90º angle to the seat. There's already a degree of recline to the seatbacks - on JetBlue, Delta, Southwest, American, US Air... wait! I flew Spirit once, but a number of years ago. But I think their seatbacks are already angled as well.

So, no, airplane seats already don't require or expect passengers to sit perfectly straight. Nobody is on an island alone on a plane; travel is much more pleasant when everybody respects everybody else. ASK. If it's going to be a hardship for the person behind you, try changing seats. Recline less. Something.

 

[DizBelle]

Not at all!!!! If you can not avoid neck pain unless you are reclining then you need medical help and it has nothing to do with my 'island.' Do you actually spend your whole life in a reclining position to avoid neck pain? You probably should not be flying. How in the world do you drive, read, work without reclining? Bring a blow up pillow(like I do), put your seat back a little but not all the way. Keep your head out of my lap!

If you read my post, I said "For me to be comfortable at all, I need to recline the seat at least a bit - enough to move my head back an inch or so so it is actually over my body and not dangling in the space in front of my body requiring my neck to do a lot of work and therefore cause pain." You would deny me one inch of recline? Seriously?

You do realize that there are different degrees of reclining? My position when driving, reading, and working is more reclined (by a few degrees) than the upright seat on an airplane but it is still upright.

I guess in your mind, the only definition of upright is the seat back being 90 degress from the seat bottom. I would argue that a seat back could be several degrees more than 90 from the seat bottom and still be considered upright.

 

[MELSMICE]

Originally posted by shortbun: I also hate those people who recline just because they can, forcing me to recline or not be able to use my tray table. Imho, people who automatically recline are rude and thoughtless.

I don't recline to be rude & thoughtless. I recline because it hurts my neck & is uncomfortable to sit upright in the airline seat. I am short so the "bump/headrest" in the seat happens to hit the back of my head so it pushes my head forward. The only way to alleviate this is to recline my seat.

If I don't recline it I have neck pain & a headache for days following the flight. This is why I never pick a seat in front of an exit row. Those seats don't recline.

Don't you think it is rude and thoughtless to ask someone to endure neck pain that will last long after the flight is over? I would say that your asking someone not to recline is YOU acting like you are on some deserted island thinking your actions are not affecting others.

Agree......it does cause neck & back pain.

Yeah, you are wrong about this. I have had people recline so that I can see the top of their heads. And, the tray comes down but it pokes me in the knees or thighs and will not come down all the way. I've been flying a lot since the 70's and this just gets worse and worse as the airlines make the seats smaller and the rows closer. Recline if you are flying at night and everyone else is sleeping. Otherwise, bring a book and sit up like you would anywhere else. We don't often disagree but this is one topic I'm pretty clear about. I was a travel agent for 27 years and have studied pitch and space in airline seats to a pretty major extent. My husband is 6'5" and about 220. He has a really rough time if the person in front of him reclines. He can't stand, he has to sit with his leg in all the way in the aisle and his tray table will not lay flat enough to sit anything on it.

Sounds like some of the seats might be broken.

My DH is similar in size yours & has never complained about the person in front of him reclining their seat.

Not at all!!!! If you can not avoid neck pain unless you are reclining then you need medical help and it has nothing to do with my 'island.' Do you actually spend your whole life in a reclining position to avoid neck pain? You probably should not be flying. How in the world do you drive, read, work without reclining? Bring a blow up pillow(like I do), put your seat back a little but not all the way. Keep your head out of my lap!

It has nothing to do with having to recline all the time. It has to do with the headrest & where it hits a persons head. Sit upright in a kitchen chair or something & then put an object right in the middle of your head behind you that you can not move. See what happens. You either have to pitch your head forward or you have to lean to the side with your head forward.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I've never flown a truly low-cost airline, but I've never seen an airplane seat where the seatback is at a 90º angle to the seat. There's already a degree of recline to the seatbacks - on JetBlue, Delta, Southwest, American, US Air... wait! I flew Spirit once, but a number of years ago. But I think their seatbacks are already angled as well.

So, no, airplane seats already don't require or expect passengers to sit perfectly straight. Nobody is on an island alone on a plane; travel is much more pleasant when everybody respects everybody else. ASK. If it's going to be a hardship for the person behind you, try changing seats. Recline less. Something.

I just commented on how it is for me--to sit up straight. Straight for me is not the same as for you. And by the design of the seats, there is a bump on the headrest that can sometimes be uncomfortable and make me lean forward.

I'm still puzzled by the expressed hyperbole to seeing the tops of people's heads and literally having someone's head on ones lap. I've never flown on an airline where this is quite literally possible.

If something is available to make a passenger more comfortable, they are entitled to use it.

However, to pretend that noone needs the feature is silly. It is even more silly to suggest it requires medical intervention.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't recline to be rude & thoughtless. I recline because it hurts my neck & is uncomfortable to sit upright in the airline seat. I am short so the "bump/headrest" in the seat happens to hit the back of my head so it pushes my head forward. The only way to alleviate this is to recline my seat.

If I don't recline it I have neck pain & a headache for days following the flight. This is why I never pick a seat in front of an exit row. Those seats don't recline.


Agree......it does cause neck & back pain.


Sounds like some of the seats might be broken.

My DH is similar in size yours & has never complained about the person in front of him reclining their seat.


It has nothing to do with having to recline all the time. It has to do with the headrest & where it hits a persons head. Sit upright in a kitchen chair or something & then put an object right in the middle of your head behind you that you can not move. See what happens. You either have to pitch your head forward or you have to lean to the side with your head forward.

 

[wvjules]

What airlines are you all flying that the seats recline so far back that they are practically napping in your lap?

 

[asta]

The issue of reclining seats seems to bother a lot of travelers and I don't think the airlines are ever going to allow enough room between rows to make this work. I think the best idea is for the seats to come equipped with something like an override button in back of the seat that let's you disable whether the seat in front of you can come back into your space. That way those of you who insist/need to use this feature at least need to ASK the person behind you if they minded.

 

[wvjules]

The issue of reclining seats seems to bother a lot of travelers and I don't think the airlines are ever going to allow enough room between rows to make this work. I think the best idea is for the seats to come equipped with something like an override button in back of the seat that let's you disable whether the seat in front of you can come back into your space. That way those of you who insist/need to use this feature at least need to ASK the person behind you if they minded.

Why is the comfort of the person sitting behind the recliner more important than the recliner?

I've sat behind recliners. Not once have I felt like they were in my lap, been unable to use me tray, or inconvenienced in anyway. Heck, I was even able to get up to go potty.

Whatever airline that has those extreme reclining seat I want to fly.