Is Disney World becoming a shell of its former self?

When I purchased my dvc...I rejected a resale in about 5 seconds. Buying a contract where the first 8-13 years were used up made no sense because the price was still reasonable.

I've done a 180...in fact I would never buy from Disney again...even if the money flowed like they seem
To prefer.

I recommend many friends/acquaintances to resells now.

In fact - I now even withhold that advice and caution "wait to see what they do with ticket prices"

In essence...you buy DVC for use at Disney spots. You certainly can alternate/ trade out - but there is no point if not for a Heavy dose of Disney.

Well...if we're looking at a precipitous climb in ticket media...and the clouds are gathering there... Then it might be too much to salvage the program for many.

$1000 a person? $4500 annually with tax for a family of 4 with a huge pile of debt looming in many futures?

Not going there.
 
Yes, DVC prices are high these days. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are priced poorly for their target markets. Because there is such a healthy resale market, it is still possible for people to buy in at very reasonable prices. Buying direct from Disney remains an option for people who are determined to own at the newest resorts, but they will certainly pay a premium for that privilege. I think it is fantastic that someone can buy in at SSR for $75 a point resale, if that's what is comfortable for them price wise, or buy new for twice that if they're determined to have the chance to stay in the new bungalows regularly. Yes, they've added some crazily priced very premium options, but if someone is willing to pay for them, and so far people seem to be, then suddenly it doesn't seem as crazy. As long as you can pay your dues, DVC is happy to have you and your constant flow of cash, no matter what you bought in for.

Anecdotal evidence can only be extrapolated so far, but I'm willing to explain our reasoning. We've bought 3 contracts - AKV direct (2007), BWV resale (2008), and VGF direct (2013). I firmly believe that both our AKV and BWV contracts were extremely smart purchases for us. We were visiting WDW about every 9 months, always staying in deluxe resorts, and almost always needing 2 rooms or a suite because we traveled with 3 generations. We researched DVC for over a year before we bought; we bought the first contract direct, and then immediately started watching resale boards for a second contract at an Epcot resort. We were almost a textbook case of a family that DVC makes perfect sense for.

VGF made sense, although admittedly not as good sense, because we knew we were consistently using more points than we had, and borrowing from the next year. I would have preferred to buy it resale, but we bought early, and we bought at a time we really needed a new contract. For 2014, we needed points or cash for 4 or 5 nights in a two bedroom Aulani oceanview villa, 2 nights in a 2 bedroom at the VGC, and 5 or 6 nights in a 2 bedroom with a view at WDW. We knew we were going to Hawaii for spring break and wanted to spend part of the trip at Aulani, we knew we wanted to stop in California on the way and stay at the Grand Californian, and we knew we wanted a summer trip to WDW. We were willing to borrow some points from 2015, but we knew we needed to leave enough for at least one trip to WDW. By the time we priced paying cash for Aulani and the Grand Californian, we decided it made financial sense for us to add on and use points for the stay. We'd been thinking we needed a monorail resort ever since our daughter turned out to be princess crazy. I guess what I'm saying is that for people who are prepared to pay cash prices for the Grand Floridian and Aulani, DVC can seem like a reasonable deal even at the current prices. Not as good a deal as it once was, but still worth it. Since Disney keeps raising those hotel prices, DVC still looks good. And since they are slowly whittling away at the number of deluxe rooms, as they convert more of them to DVC, they can keep demand for the deluxe resorts up enough to justify their ridiculous room prices.
 
It could... This one only time will tell (re: Marvel at DHS)

Sure, if Disney is interested in ponying up about half the rumored DHS budget (think 1.2 billion) to reacquire the rights from Uni.

The contract with Uni is in perpetuity. The contract language in is is pretty specific (concerning characters, their rogues gallery, any "team up" members, or any member of the characters "families" of associates). That language really limits what/who would be available without buying out the contract. Disney has zero leverage to get the rights back from Uni. Not to mention, at this point, Disney is collecting checks from Uni for zero investement/cash outlay....both a licensing fee AND a cut of the merchandise sales.

They'd need to reacquire the rights AND then pay to create attractions, on top of it.

So, yes, technically only time will tell. But I'd say the odds are MUCH longer on Disney buying out that contract than they are on letting the status quo remain.

We've had this discussion, on these boards, for awhile (there's even a thread in News and Rumors, should you wish to add to it). Nobody has provided any compelling evidence, or made a plausible case, that Disney is willing to do what it would take to get the rights back.....never mind a compelling business case that they SHOULD.
 
Sure, if Disney is interested in ponying up about half the rumored DHS budget (think 1.2 billion) to reacquire the rights from Uni.

The contract with Uni is in perpetuity. The contract language in is is pretty specific (concerning characters, their rogues gallery, any "team up" members, or any member of the characters "families" of associates). That language really limits what/who would be available without buying out the contract. Disney has zero leverage to get the rights back from Uni. Not to mention, at this point, Disney is collecting checks from Uni for zero investement/cash outlay....both a licensing fee AND a cut of the merchandise sales.

They'd need to reacquire the rights AND then pay to create attractions, on top of it.

So, yes, technically only time will tell. But I'd say the odds are MUCH longer on Disney buying out that contract than they are on letting the status quo remain.

We've had this discussion, on these boards, for awhile (there's even a thread in News and Rumors, should you wish to add to it). Nobody has provided any compelling evidence, or made a plausible case, that Disney is willing to do what it would take to get the rights back.....never mind a compelling business case that they SHOULD.
Disney is happy with the deal right now. They are not pushing to get the rights. They can and will use marvel in the parks that they are able to. If we ever see marvel in WDW it will be Guardians of the Galaxy.
 

I thought they could for Ant-Man too? Granted we don't know how the movie will do though

Guardians is arguable because there are, in the comics, some cross polination with the Avenger and X-men (temporary membership and rogues gallery...Thanos being the big one).

Ant Man is a no. He's been an avenger.

The whole "no members from character families or groups or villians" language of the contract is tough to get around.
 
I disagree: simulators with broad multi-axis motion capability are not new and are already up and running in Orlando at an attraction called the Forbidden Journey.

True.

And the tech behind them? The most reliable tech driving those types of rides in the industry...the KUKA robotic arm? Exclusive to Uni for another 5-ish years.
 
Have you seen the prices recently? I don't know when you bought in, but it's beyond even considering at this point. It's $150 a point to buy from Disney. When my family bought in back in 2006, it was $95 a point. Not cheap, but we could handle it. We had to sell our contract but I'm ready to buy again. There's no way I will consider anything but a resale contract. BLT was probably the last resort that was feasible for us. Aulani, GF, Poly, and (I'm assuming) WL aren't even possibilities due to the cost. I don't know where they think the money for a $25K buy in is going to come from (not to mention plane tickets for a family of four to Hawaii every year or two! :crazy2:). There's only so many people making six figure incomes who want to vacation in Disney for the next 40 years. At least SSR--for all its faults--was aimed at the middle middle class. The current crop of DVC resorts is strictly for the upper class.

I wish they'd add a more affordable resort. I'm itching to be an owner again and buy direct from Disney.

We did a 250 point buy, back around the time you did, of AKV and paid just north of $90 a point. We financed a chunk of it for exactly 6 months, while I waited on work bonus checks to get cut.

I look at today's "direct from disney" prices and I almost choke. If we ever feel the need to add on (doubtful..we get exactly what we want from those points), I will do a resale. If I felt the burning need to have the Disney advantages, I'd do a super small buy (minimum is 25 pts, right?? Or is it 50 again?) from them, and fill in the rest with resale point in the same use year.

But no freaking way would I pay what they are charging right now.

Disney seems to have adopted a very interesting strategy with their Florida property....lockedoutlogic talks a lot about it and I'm of a similar mind to him. They are making a very calculated decision on pricing and targeting to a specific demographic/income strata. We'll see how harsh the backlash is, and if, in general, it actually effects their bottom line.
 
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Yes, DVC prices are high these days. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are priced poorly for their target markets. Because there is such a healthy resale market, it is still possible for people to buy in at very reasonable prices. Buying direct from Disney remains an option for people who are determined to own at the newest resorts, but they will certainly pay a premium for that privilege. I think it is fantastic that someone can buy in at SSR for $75 a point resale, if that's what is comfortable for them price wise, or buy new for twice that if they're determined to have the chance to stay in the new bungalows regularly. Yes, they've added some crazily priced very premium options, but if someone is willing to pay for them, and so far people seem to be, then suddenly it doesn't seem as crazy. As long as you can pay your dues, DVC is happy to have you and your constant flow of cash, no matter what you bought in for.

I think the point is that...back in 2007 and prior...the good advice was "If you're going to buy, buy from Disney...the price difference between resale and Disney prices is worth it".

Now...the wind is blowing in the other direction: "Check resale first and, if at all possible, buy there". There are obviously instances and situations where that's not possible, or it's not going to get you what you want (Poly DVC, for example) or it's not going to get you something in the time you need it for (resale can be a more extended process). I get that.

But the CHANGE in direction from your customer base is the notable piece. You could argue that Disney was UNDER PRICING theiir offerings, previously. But I think, at this point, the correction has gone too far....to just be a correction. What I mean is: I think they are changing their DVC target market. Where, before, it was everyone under the sun who could get through the financing process (which was pretty liberal with it's approvals), they've moved the yardstick up a little further on the economic demographic scale. I think they are specifically deciding to price out a segment of the market (allowing resale to cater to those folks, to some extent). I suspect that MAY be something we see crossing into other sectors.

The question is: Can Disney make that transition (I guess "should they", too) given their offerings. I love Disney....and I don't think they're screwed. But it'll be interesting to see, if the price points continue to raise (esp on the lodging side), will the people who can afford those elevated price points really choose Disney?
 
will the people who can afford those elevated price points really choose Disney?

That's a good point.

I think that is why the "up charges" that are available has increased. A lot of those types (not all) like exclusivity IMO. Dessert parties, dinner and drink packages, EPCOT F&W and its upcharges, D Springs dining and shopping is right up that alley-as well as the upgraded surroundings going on there, golf and fishing to lure the Dads.

And mostly FP+ IMO. Those types (again not all) are impatient. If they can go about their day at their own pace knowing they have some spots in line held for that evening, they are much more interested in staying there. I know a few that just can't leave work behind for a whole week. They work from the hotel, maybe the pool area while the kids and one parent enjoy the parks. But at 5PM they are now available and have an improved evening schedule in front of them. Same goes for golfing a morning or 2.

But regardless-certainly not everyone falls into that category, by far most do not. But trying to lure big dollars is smart IMO. And having normal/regular options for the rest will keep the masses coming.
 
You seem to think jungle Cruise is better than Jurassic simply because of the "animatronics", but you are also comparing two rides that are nothing like each other save for the fact you sit ion a boat. Jungle Cruise is DEFINED by it's animatronics and the boat captains jokes. JP uses them to create atmosphere. And sorry, I disagree, there is no animatronic on the jungle cruise any where near as impressive as the t-rex head. When I road jungle cruise last fall, I didn't think any of the animals looked very realistic.

Maybe you should learn how to read more carefully. Plus think about others when you are writing your dribble, this post was way too long. I'll just comment on the part I read because I couldn't make it through the rest of your post.

I said Jungle Cruise is more enjoyable and it is a ride you're not supposed to take seriously. It's got corny jokes, that make the people on board laugh. Plus it has much more animals, that are much more realistic. Jurassic Park meanwhile doesn't have many dinosaurs and the ones they do have look completely fake. The ride is also very short and not sweet. Like many of the rides in Uni it looks unfinished.
 
That's a good point.

I think that is why the "up charges" that are available has increased. A lot of those types (not all) like exclusivity IMO. Dessert parties, dinner and drink packages, EPCOT F&W and its upcharges, D Springs dining and shopping is right up that alley-as well as the upgraded surroundings going on there, golf and fishing to lure the Dads.

And mostly FP+ IMO. Those types (again not all) are impatient. If they can go about their day at their own pace knowing they have some spots in line held for that evening, they are much more interested in staying there. I know a few that just can't leave work behind for a whole week. They work from the hotel, maybe the pool area while the kids and one parent enjoy the parks. But at 5PM they are now available and have an improved evening schedule in front of them. Same goes for golfing a morning or 2.

But regardless-certainly not everyone falls into that category, by far most do not. But trying to lure big dollars is smart IMO. And having normal/regular options for the rest will keep the masses coming.


All good observations and points. I would add, to address that last line....it depends on how far Disney is really planning to go. Are they just luring in what they see as an untapped market? Or are they actively working to change the majority of their market?

I'm not sure, at this point, but what I've seen makes me think it very well might be the later. And, given the steps they've taken, and given they've seen a notable (according to their filings) uptick in guest spending when doing it....it'll be interesting to see how far they'll go. It's not an unheard of play: Decrease demand for your product, but make up for the decrease in volume by charging a premium price. The kicker is....the premium price is going to bring with it the expectation of premium experience(s). Look at Discovery Cove, for example. It's the boutique experience model, but applied on a MUCH larger scale. The "upcharge" items you mention help bridge that gap, for sure. I'm not sure it's enough...

In any event, my original thoughts, above, were made primarily (though not exclusively) with the resorts in mind. As much as I love the Disney Deluxe hotels..outside of "the World", they do not offer what those guests willing to pay a higher price point expect at that price point. 4 Seasons is. The GF, for example, might be a 4 star hotel (and that's being kind), but is getting the price point where the people able to pay that price are likely used to a 5 star (or more well founded 4 star) experience. That's true up and down the Deluxe hotel offerings (except most of the others are more solidly 3 star offerings).

There's been some discussion, in other threads too, about the perceived low occupancy for the deluxes, and that it's because of the high prices. I'd take the flip side of that argument: It's not the prices...it's what they're offering, in terms of experience and amenities, FOR the price, that likely hurts them. I think they could actually fill those rooms to a higher occupancy level by making them TRULY "deluxe", in terms of what they offer on site. Disney hasn't done that, yet...though the prices continue to rise. My "wondering" is how long they can do THAT and NOT offer the "4 seasons-lite" experience....because that's who they are setting themselves up to compete with at their price points, now.
 
True.

And the tech behind them? The most reliable tech driving those types of rides in the industry...the KUKA robotic arm? Exclusive to Uni for another 5-ish years.
Are you sure on that?According to the JHM Story that started the whole Kuka exclusivity thing:
"The Mouse reportedly can't get its hands on any additional Kuka arms for theme park use 'til at least 2017."

http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_c...uka-s-robotic-arm-technology.aspx?PageIndex=4

This seems to be verified here:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...-use-kuka-robo-arm.170974/page-2#post-2198942

Though I'm not too familiar with Jedimaster's track record, but he seems to hold his own here on Kuka:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/upcoming-rumored-projects.421792/page-21#post-3715129

So according to that same thread, it also counts construction time. Frankly, it appears that Kuka is going out into the open very soon. What WDW does with that if anything is anybody's guess...

Start your countdown clocks, less then two years away.
 
In hindsight I may have rambled a little, let me try again. In an economic downturn the people that tend to see the greatest drop in annual income are those at the very bottom and those at the top. Those at the bottom are most likely to lose their job as there are other ways to do the same job or a large pool of people willing to do it at a lower price. Those toward the top suffer in two ways, their salaries become targets for downsizing and they are also hit on their investment portfolio. The middle is not a great place to be either as we all get hit however they work for a "fair" wage and are in jobs requiring adequate skill. The key thing is which family is most likely to have spent above their means and be at max credit? That could be either, none, or both. My initial point was the family who is looking to do Disney in an affordable nature should still be able to because they are not seeking to go so far and above for the Deluxe stays that Disney is catering to. Those who want the pampering will no longer be able to stretch themselves to make it happen and that pool of funds dries up. They are seeking to earn the money of the top 20% when it is those between 45% and 75% that provide the largest pool to draw from. As for the dues, lets sat that 25K gets you 250 points. At the current rate of $5.05 at Bay Lake Towers, the annual maintenance and tax bill $1,262.50. If you have a house bill and this bill comes due and you have not saves up, plenty of people will simply walk away. is I hope I made my argument a little better...

As for the correction of 2008, yes things corrected however we have seen growth of 164% since then and the Dow is not too far off its all time high. We have propped ourselves up with artificial interest rates, stretched data, and good ole American overspending. We are going to have a repeat of 2008 because very few people learned anything from it. The question is when in the next 3 years does it happen?

Just an fyi...you can't just walk away from a DVC agreement. My mother had five different time shares when she passed and we took a bath on getting rid of them as you cannot just walk away from the contract. They will get their money through the resale market or investors grabbing them for long-term use.
 
Are you sure on that?According to the JHM Story that started the whole Kuka exclusivity thing:
"The Mouse reportedly can't get its hands on any additional Kuka arms for theme park use 'til at least 2017."

http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_c...uka-s-robotic-arm-technology.aspx?PageIndex=4

This seems to be verified here:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...-use-kuka-robo-arm.170974/page-2#post-2198942

Though I'm not too familiar with Jedimaster's track record, but he seems to hold his own here on Kuka:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/upcoming-rumored-projects.421792/page-21#post-3715129

So according to that same thread, it also counts construction time. Frankly, it appears that Kuka is going out into the open very soon. What WDW does with that if anything is anybody's guess...

Start your countdown clocks, less then two years away.


The -ish was the waffle. I knew it was a 10 year deal, signed sometime in the late aughts (aka 05 - 09). Not having seen the actual contract, it's tough to know the language or effective dates, exactly. The person saying "construction time counts" isn't 100% correct. SOMETIMES it does. It varies wildly based on the contract.

Sometime between '17 and '20, Disney might get their hands on it, maybe, assuming no extension is signed (plenty of time for that), and no option clauses exist. KUKA doesn't seem to regret the deal...I'm not sure if they're chomping to branch out to other theme park customers/applications. Maybe....

But the point remains: Saying the tech exists is technically true. But, expecting anyone else to build those types of rides, given the KUKA arm has proven the most reliable, and, quite frankly, most practical, tech for it in the industry...and NOBODY else has access to it until that deal expires...is sort of unrealistic.

Hoping Disney might get a chance to implement something like it down the road is fine. But not until the deal has actually expired, which probably removes it from consideration for anything currently planned, because Disney can't start anything concrete with the tech until that deal expires....because KUKA can't even negotiate a price or potential application in a Disney park until that deal is done. It would potentially be tampering (unless KUKA has already notified Uni they don't intend to renew the deal... I think then the discussions would all have to involve construction begining post expiration)
 
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I'll give Universal props for two things, spending and thrill rides.

They haven't been afraid to pay up front for things rather than stretch out construction projects, like Disney's been doing. Disney is so cheap they want the visitors to pay for the grade Z toilet paper they use in the bathrooms.

Plus they have really good thrill rides, when they are actually working. That's why so many teenagers love Universal Orlando. Unlike me they don't mind risking their lunches on rollercoasters either. The part I really like about Universal are the thrill rides that don't cause me motion sickness like Mummy, Spiderman and the Harry Potter rides.
 
I'll give Universal props for two things, spending and thrill rides.

They haven't been afraid to pay up front for things rather than stretch out construction projects, like Disney's been doing. Disney is so cheap they want the visitors to pay for the grade Z toilet paper they use in the bathrooms.

Plus they have really good thrill rides, when they are actually working. That's why so many teenagers love Universal Orlando. Unlike me they don't mind risking their lunches on rollercoasters either. The part I really like about Universal are the thrill rides that don't cause me motion sickness like Mummy, Spiderman and the Harry Potter rides.

LOL!

I'm 41 years old.

I would ride Hulk, Dueling Dragons, and RRR (assuming it's not getting stuck) all day long. It's not just teenagers who love coasters! :)

Now....Doom's Fearfall? Thank you, no thank you (and I LOVE TOT at DHS)!

Different strokes for different folks, and all that.
 
LOL!

I'm 41 years old.

I would ride Hulk, Dueling Dragons, and RRR (assuming it's not getting stuck) all day long. It's not just teenagers who love coasters! :)

Now....Doom's Fearfall? Thank you, no thank you (and I LOVE TOT at DHS)!

Different strokes for different folks, and all that.

Whoa, that's great for you Pilferk. I tried doing the Hulk coaster and I almost hurled all over the kids legs in front of me. Ahhh memories.

I had no problem with Spidey and Dr. Doom's Fearfall though. I think it was just the motion of the Hulk coaster.
 
The -ish was the waffle. I knew it was a 10 year deal, signed sometime in the late aughts (aka 05 - 09). Not having seen the actual contract, it's tough to know the language or effective dates, exactly. The person saying "construction time counts" isn't 100% correct. SOMETIMES it does. It varies wildly based on the contract.

Sometime between '17 and '20, Disney might get their hands on it, maybe, assuming no extension is signed (plenty of time for that), and no option clauses exist. KUKA doesn't seem to regret the deal...I'm not sure if they're chomping to branch out to other theme park customers/applications. Maybe....

But the point remains: Saying the tech exists is technically true. But, expecting anyone else to build those types of rides, given the KUKA arm has proven the most reliable, and, quite frankly, most practical, tech for it in the industry...and NOBODY else has access to it until that deal expires...is sort of unrealistic.

Hoping Disney might get a chance to implement something like it down the road is fine. But not until the deal has actually expired, which probably removes it from consideration for anything currently planned, because Disney can't start anything concrete with the tech until that deal expires....because KUKA can't even negotiate a price or potential application in a Disney park until that deal is done. It would potentially be tampering (unless KUKA has already notified Uni they don't intend to renew the deal... I think then the discussions would all have to involve construction begining post expiration)
There's several notes to keep in mind. Apparently the deal was structured in 5 year increments with a first 5 year period, and then the option for another 5 year extension. The rights will be up in 2017 unless Kuka/Roboarm decides it's in their best interest to let the rights stay in Universal's hands. I just don't see that happening. A couple years ago Kuka was just the unproven newcomer, now it's one of the undisputed leaders in ride design. Disney, Merlin, Six Flags, and SeaWorld/Busch Gardens will be happy to pay top dollar for their units post 2017. I say there's little chance it stays exclusive, it's in Kuka's best interest to breed competition.

Remember the deal only covers Florida and maybe California. That means any other Disney Park has access to the tech. As we know, there's one central design firm behind all the Parks and it's based in Glendale. The same Imagineers that design attractions for Paris, Tokyo, HKDL, and Shanghai also design attractions for WDW and DL. They could easily view the tech, and get to know it's makeup without it being a crime. Now can they implement it yet? No, not until after 2017. They could start planning rides that include it though, no crime in mere design.
 
There's several notes to keep in mind. Apparently the deal was structured in 5 year increments with a first 5 year period, and then the option for another 5 year extension. The rights will be up in 2017 unless Kuka/Roboarm decides it's in their best interest to let the rights stay in Universal's hands. I just don't see that happening. A couple years ago Kuka was just the unproven newcomer, now it's one of the undisputed leaders in ride design. Disney, Merlin, Six Flags, and SeaWorld/Busch Gardens will be happy to pay top dollar for their units post 2017. I say there's little chance it stays exclusive, it's in Kuka's best interest to breed competition.

Remember the deal only covers Florida and maybe California. That means any other Disney Park has access to the tech. As we know, there's one central design firm behind all the Parks and it's based in Glendale. The same Imagineers that design attractions for Paris, Tokyo, HKDL, and Shanghai also design attractions for WDW and DL. They could easily view the tech, and get to know it's makeup without it being a crime. Now can they implement it yet? No, not until after 2017. They could start planning rides that include it though, no crime in mere design.

Thanks for that last bit. Since we were talking about WDW (and the surrounding regions), that was my bent with "anyone", but it probably wasn't clearly stated. That first bit is speculation on both parts, so we'll have to see. I can see KUKA leaving THAT tech with Uni in specific regions, pending further use, for the right amount of money. Again, they haven't seemed unhappy with the current deal. The exact dates are in question, too, (unless there's a version of the contract on the net that I've missed, which is entirely possible!) for expiration. We know it's sometime between April 2017 and Jan 2020....between 2 and 5 years from now....depending on whether the clock started ticking during design and construction or not.

Disney would have to be VERY careful on design, without a contract with KUKA in place, that hinges on their tech. Even considering they could try to pass it off as "for a different park" (say, DLP). You could blue sky (concept and artwork), but anything further than that could be argued as a violation not only of the exclusivity deal, but of patent infringement, without involving KUKA directly. If you're using it as part of a pitch....sure. But in terms of real, detailed, workable design? Dicey.

And any blue sky plans would be outside of the immediate expansion plans for DHS, Epcot, etc...unless they decide to pull another SDMT and shoe horn something in for "late opening". Because going from blue sky to design to testing to construction would likely put us outside their current rumored time frames. They'd basically have to leave open ground, during construction, for at least a couple years, to be able to use the tech. I find that option unlikely.

They're plenty familiar (heck, they had a version sitting on their property) with the tech, now, FYI. It hasn't really changed much since inception (some reliability improvements). They know how it works enough to blue sky with it. They reportedly worked with KUKA, before the uni deal, to try to create a modified version of it to fit a different idea....but it a) didn't pan out and b) was then swallowed up by the uni exclusivity deal.

But realistically...they can't do any real design (I'm talking schematic level stuff) for anything they'd potentially plan for WDW until after the deal with uni expires. Not without risk of legal exposure....and I doubt it's a level of risk they'd find worth taking. Not even in a wink wink nudge nudge capacity. Easier to let it lay until the deal has officially expired.

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AND, the tangent, while interesting, still belies the initial point: TODAY, nobody can use the tech (in relation to WDW, etc) to built multi-axis simulator rides except Uni. So bemoaning a lack of them on WDW property is a little....off base. :)
 
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We did a 250 point buy, back around the time you did, of AKV and paid just north of $90 a point. We financed a chunk of it for exactly 6 months, while I waited on work bonus checks to get cut.

I look at today's "direct from disney" prices and I almost choke. If we ever feel the need to add on (doubtful..we get exactly what we want from those points), I will do a resale. If I felt the burning need to have the Disney advantages, I'd do a super small buy (minimum is 25 pts, right?? Or is it 50 again?) from them, and fill in the rest with resale point in the same use year.

But no freaking way would I pay what they are charging right now.

Disney seems to have adopted a very interesting strategy with their Florida property....lockedoutlogic talks a lot about it and I'm of a similar mind to him. They are making a very calculated decision on pricing and targeting to a specific demographic/income strata. We'll see how harsh the backlash is, and if, in general, it actually effects their bottom line.

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