Is Disney Addicted to Discounts? What's your opinion?

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Beth Kassab
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October 2, 2009

Walt Disney World is hooked on the discount drug.

This week marked the return of its "buy four nights, get three free" promotion at some of its hotels. And Disney revealed this week that guests can earn a free theme park ticket next year by volunteering after the free-on-your-birthday deal ends Dec. 31. This summer it extended its free-dining promotion until mid-December.

It begs the question: Will Disney ever be able to stop pushing these markdown meds?

Consumers and companies are easily addicted to price cuts.

Consumers often begin to believe that the discounted price is the "real" cost rather than the original "inflated" price that they become reluctant to pay in the future. And companies like how discounts keep demand and volume up even when — as in Disney's case — the cuts eat into the bottom line.

Disney has confronted the question about whether it will be able to raise prices as employment improves and consumers begin to spend again.

Chief Financial Officer Tom Staggs has said the company "is being very thoughtful and deliberate" about its offers.

"As we see recovery, I think that we will have the opportunity to be less aggressive on promotions, when that point comes," he said over the summer.

In other words, Disney says it can stop any time it wants.

And so can every corner junkie, right?

Analysts have questioned whether Disney is devouring future demand by "pulling forward" vacations that would have been taken later. The company says it is tapping new customers that otherwise would not have vacationed at Disney at all.

The recession put extreme pressure on companies to slash prices. Some have resisted more than others.

Darden Chief Executive Officer Clarence Otis, for example, said he has refrained from the steep discounts offered by casual-dining competitors.

"If we were to have discounted and had somewhat better sales, I don't know that our earnings would have been any higher," Otis said this week. "So we wind up in the same place and the price of winding up in the same place would have been degrading the brands, conveying a message that the only relevant part of the brand equation is price, which we think is damaging over the long term."

Darden's same-restaurant sales for Olive Garden, Red Lobster and Longhorn Steakhouse were down 5.3 percent for its first quarter reported this week. But its profit was up 16 percent, beating analysts' expectations.

When Disney reported its most recent earnings in July, its domestic theme-park attendance was up 3 percent and flat in Orlando, helped along by the discounts. But, overall profit for the company's third quarter fell 26 percent.

To be certain, the businesses of Disney and Darden are different, though the risk of brand erosion is a concern for both.

Disney says it is important to keep park attendance steady because the parks are a vehicle for brand exposure and instilling loyalty in consumers who will go on to purchase other Disney products.

The reintroduction of the "buy four, get three" free hotel nights deal means it will be in place for all but about two months of this year. It ran from January to mid-August and will begin again Nov. 1 to March 27, though there are blackout dates around the holidays.

Disney is putting new limits on its markdowns. "Buy four, get three free" excludes the resort's cheapest hotels this time around and requires the purchase of four-day rather than single-day passes among other restrictions.

Those changes are signs that it is weaning consumers from the earlier, steeper discounts.

But the longer the discounts go on, the harder the habit will be to break.
 
I think it will be hard for them to break their discounted ways. They will have to slowly ease back to full price vacations.

What I CAN agree on, is that they are tapping a market of people who have never been to WDW before. I can clearly see the logic: get them to come the first time, get them hooked, and make them repeat guests.

I can't tell you how many 1st visit buttons I see on a daily basis, and I only see a small percentage of people who are in 1 park on 1 day.

Just the other day some guests commented that they had never been to WDW and were so impressed at how it's a well oiled machine(I beg to differ :rotfl: ) but it was nice to hear things from someone on the outside. Maybe I'll make it a point to talk to 1st visit people a little more.
 
I think more importantly is that their consumers "us" are so used to the discounts not that it will be a hard habit to break. Every has been conditioned to wait and book your trip because we know some sort of discount will be coming.
 
I've been going for years and never have I booked at rack rate. I always have booked either with a package promo or a room-only code savings:teacher:. I'm certain I'm not the only one;).

Does anyone pay full rack rate at WDW?:eek:
 

DVC sort of conditioned me to not look at rates anymore, but prior to that, I'd not go at all if I didn't get a rate of some sort.
 
I think it will be hard for them to break their discounted ways.

1) Just like the car companies.
2) Without a discount or rebate, people shy from buying cars.
3) Now, it is not a discount, but an entitlement !
4) Same thing with Disney.
5) For several years, there are few weeks at WDW that are not discounted.
6) I don't see a reversion to full pricing, except for a few weeks per year.
7) Ever.
 
I have been able to visit quite frequently over the last 12 months (6x) including a 16 night stay spanning Christmas week and New Years Day into January. Without room and airfare discounts, this would not have been possible. I used my Tables in Wonderland card extensively during those visits (except blacked out holidays, of course) and saved a large sum (20% of X= a big number, meaning X is a really big number).
The point here is that none of those dollars get expended without the discounts making the trip feasible in the first place.
It's very simple: When demand picks up, discounts will diminish. Until then keep the hotels and parks as full as possible and keep people working. Make the nut and wait for good times in the future. Has anyone taken note of prices creeping up in the hotel dining areas etc? (e.g. the $8 big breakfast platter) Empty hotels don't generate sales in the gift shops etc.
 
Yes, I think it would be hard for them to ever stop offering discounts. Nobody HAS to go to WDW, but they (we) can all justify it with a good deal;)
 
I think also the rack rate prices have so far exceeded most people's increase in income over the last few years. The prices of the deluxe hotels in particular has shot up at a rediculous rate. Over a few years, most have gone up over a hundred dollars per night. This alone has priced DH and I out of them. Tickets have gone up fairly steadily, and food in the parks and hotels, while still expensive, has creeped up. As other posters have mentioned, some people will no longer visit without a discount because they feel that they are not getting a good value, and I am afraid I have to agree with them.
 
I think also the rack rate prices have so far exceeded most people's increase in income over the last few years. The prices of the deluxe hotels in particular has shot up at a rediculous rate. Over a few years, most have gone up over a hundred dollars per night. This alone has priced DH and I out of them. Tickets have gone up fairly steadily, and food in the parks and hotels, while still expensive, has creeped up. As other posters have mentioned, some people will no longer visit without a discount because they feel that they are not getting a good value, and I am afraid I have to agree with them.


Disney's plan is put as many "heads in the beds" as possible hoping they will fill the gift shops and BB Boutiques. If they aren't at WDW, they cannot spend $$$ at WDW.

Problem is - right now they cannot put "heads in the beds" without giving away the resort rooms. Second problem, people are not spending $$$ while at WDW in the shops and boutiques as they have in the past.

It's not a problem Disney faces alone - it's all across the tourist industry including all the competition's theme parks.

There is no tourist industry as diverse or successful as the cruise industry. Want a great travel deal anywhere in the World - head out on a cruise!

Disney has no choice. Price at a fire sale or watch their guests try Royal Caribbean or Princess Cruises take the business away.

The moment they reach satisfactory advance reservations when the economy improves, these deals will disappear until the next downturn.

In the tourist industry it's called Yield Management - carefully calculated mathmatical solutions to "fill the beds"......fall behind in advance reservations....offer a discount. That's why this discount does not qualify for EVERY week....some weeks have high enough advance reservations to keep the bean-counters happy.
 
I think Disney is addicted to discounts and offering incentives.

Waiting for them to announce the new price per point for DVC will be $232 per point but they offering a $122 discount if you buy today.


:laughing:
 
I don't know if Disney is addicted to them but I would bet that many of Disney's customers are at this point...
 
The current discussion also does not account for local competition. Since tourism is down, all hotels, including the non-Disney are hurting. Why pay $135 a night at Port Orleans (my favorite Disney hotel) when I can stay off property for a week @ $120 - $200 a week?:confused3 I then spend the money I "saved" on things in the parks (pins, food, MVMCP tickets, WDW tours, CP dinner package, etc.) I'm hardly in the room anyway. It's just a bed and shower IMHO.
 
I agree if the Disney Resorts weren't discounted why stay at them. Stay off site for 50 to 70 % less for a room. Pay for parking in one park, use Disney transportation to get around. Sometimes the off site hotels have shuttles so you don't have to pay for parking. Disney has been in business for a long time and been very successful. I am pretty sure they know what they are doing. And if there discounts allow parents that could not afford to bring their children to the most magical of place then bless them for their discounts. I love Disney and will always remember the look on my child and grandchilds faces the first time they walked into the Magic Kingdom. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with Disney discounts or free dining. I will come with or without discounts but I really want to see others being able to enjoy maybe a one and only dreamed of trip to Disney World.
 
I don't know about the long term discounts but their current plans are working. At least they sucked us in this time. We were going to stay at a cheap hotel and just buy tickets. But thanks to their newest FL residents promo we are spending 3 nights in a resort with 3 day passes and added in a meal plan too. And it was a win/win for everyone involved. Disney got ALL of our money and yet we technically saved money compared to our original plan. That's right: it was cheaper to go with the promo and meal plan than to stay off site in a cheap place and buy food as we went along. :thumbsup2
 
Disney won't be able to get out of the discount cycle until their room rates become realistic in terms of the quality provided. When their "premier", "flagship" resort is barely a 4-Star (sometimes even qualified as a 3-Star) and you increase your room rates 3% - 5% annually, the price becomes so disillusioned to reality that you must discount the room from the rack rate.
 
Their plan is working for now. We've switched our plans to cruise on RCL Oasis of the Seas in 2010 to return back to WDW during March Break. We wouldn't have if the promo wasn't introduced. It makes it a lot easier for customers to justify returning to Disney so many times when there are "deals."
 
Saw an analyst yesterday on CNBC's Fast Money show, talking about the WDW discounts. He thinks they will go on longer than Disney really wants, because attendance numbers would be down significantly without them.
 
Do you think it's a problem? I believe that Disney is still making money and wasn't there an article that universal attenance is down? Like way down?

Sure, Harry potter will pick up business, for a few years at best. HP is pretty much the ONLY think Universal has added since they've opened.

So, keep the hotels as full as possible with discounts. For vacationers, enjoy the discounts while you can, before Disney puts them back in the vault, with their piles of money!:yay:
 
Do you think it's a problem? I believe that Disney is still making money and wasn't there an article that universal attenance is down? Like way down?

I think its a huge problem because people find the product less of a "premium product".

As an example, Abercrombie & Fitch rarely discounts merchandise outside of last season lines, why? Because it devalues their entire product line if they start discounting current items; people feel the full price product is not worth as much and sales drop even quicker when they try to reign in the discounts then they did prior to the sale.

Companies like JC Penney, Kohls, etc are addicted to discounting, and consumers reflect that in terms of their quality of offerings, people won't shop there unless there is a sale (their own market reports support this). So they constantly have to offer sales and advertise them.

Do I think Disney is a little different, yes, in both good ways and bad. First what they charge for their premium product is completely out of line of where it should be, but people pay it because its "Disney". Disney doesn't offer a 5-Star hotel, it barely offers a 4-Star with Grand Floridian, yet, they charge prices that make some NYC and London 4 and 5 star hotels envious. So their price levels are out of sync with what their product really reflects. So maybe their discount price is really their value proposition price, but shareholders and the management do not want that because it lowers the value of the company. The converse is that Disney has traditionally been able to secure room rates that are well above market because they have a corner on the "on-property" rights and the perks that go with them. Will this change in the future when they sell of their land or lease their land to other developers, maybe and in the end that would be a much larger concern then the discounting for Disney.
 


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