Is Bush The Worst President Ever?

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

dcentity2000: I have that pic on my fridge - love it! Always gets a laugh!

PrincessKitty: "Who Knew Jeb was the smart one?" - priceless!

 

[Independent]

If you mean the majority feeling of the people who have posted on this topic, you might be able to justify that, but I think there's enough of us who completely DISAGREE with that that you would have to research the actual responses further. As for the entire DIS boards, and for America in general, you have absolutely NO basis to make these assumptions, b/c I don't think you can consider this DIS topic a representative sample by any means.

Actually, he can. All recent polls show that close to 3/4 of the country think Bush is doing a miserable job.

Heck, the man had to pull his supreme court justice nomination because his own party wouldn't back him.

 

[toto2]

The government should be in business to meet its payroll, not make money. It should tax no more than is needed. If there is a surplus, there is a problem. The people are being taxed too much. Any "surplus" should always be returned to the citizenry.

Anmd what do you do when the country suffers 3 majors hurricannes in a month period ( and what if Calofornia would have been hit by the Big One waiting to happend?) How do you pay for thing unforseen like this ? Just like you personnaly do , with your surplus that you have accumulated !

 

[hokiefan33]

Actually, he can. All recent polls show that close to 3/4 of the country think Bush is doing a miserable job.

Heck, the man had to pull his supreme court justice nomination because his own party wouldn't back him.

But are those polls even representative of the population? You'd have to look at the poll. Take a poll in my town, and you'd have 75% who think he's doing fine. It all depends on who they poll. If they want to try to prove a point with a poll, all they have to do is poll people who's answers they think will match their point, then say the poll proves their point. It's not rocket science.

 

[Chicago526]

I find it sad that this country is in a state where a thread like this even exists. Wether Bush is to blame or not, this isn't a very fun time to be living in!

For the record though, I think Bush is a terrible President. Worst ever? Too soon to say but I've got to believe he's up there!

 

[DawnCt1]

Anmd what do you do when the country suffers 3 majors hurricannes in a month period ( and what if Calofornia would have been hit by the Big One waiting to happend?) How do you pay for thing unforseen like this ? Just like you personnaly do , with your surplus that you have accumulated !

No, you cut some of the pork in the highway bill. The Coburn bill went down to stunning defeat because there was a cry of "don't touch my pork". Coburn attempted to cut some of the pork, voluntarily giving up his own. We don't need a bridge to no where, a parking lot for a museum, bike trails may be nice but they are the nicities that can be built at another time. There are tons of things like that.

 

[MossMan]

I wrote:
OK, I see a consensus forming here. That’s good. It’s nice when a diverse group of people can cordially discuss a topic and establish a basic agreement.

I think it is fair to characterize the majority feeling as follows:

While it is too soon to declare George W Bush the worst President of all time, the vast majority of both liberals and conservatives believe that Mr. Bush is nevertheless ONE of the worst presidents of all time.

President Bush’s administration has been marked by a singular ineptitude that has prevented his government from successfully implementing even the most basic of policies. Furthermore, when you combine the personal incompetence of George Bush with criminal corruptness of his underlings, the result is a particular brand of government that serves only to disgrace the very people he was chosen to represent.

Americans in general breathlessly await the day when Mr. Bush will finally leave office and the executive branch of our government can once again aspire to the tenets of ethical competence. ​

Then hokiefan33 wrote:
If you mean the majority feeling of the people who have posted on this topic, you might be able to justify that, but I think there's enough of us who completely DISAGREE with that that you would have to research the actual responses further. As for the entire DIS boards, and for America in general, you have absolutely NO basis to make these assumptions, b/c I don't think you can consider this DIS topic a representative sample by any means.

My Reply
I have given this a lot of thought. But after close consideration I have decided that you are wrong. My original post stands. Thank-you

 

[cardaway]

My Reply
I have given this a lot of thought. But after close consideration I have decided that you are wrong. My original post stands. Thank-you

Great post.

He's falling, flapping his arms as fast as he can, but eventually he'll figure out he has no chance at flying.

 

[toto2]

A little Canadian perspective. In my life time (41 years) , the relashionship between the USA and Canada have never benn worst.


On the news , everyday , there is the soft-wood sage going on. Let me explain:

Canada and The USA have signed a free trade convention. But the USA charged some fees on soft wood ( now , I am no expert , so sorry about some things that might not be precise) So far , about 5 billion dollars have been charged by the USA. Two independant judges from ruled that The USA , under the free trade agreement , had no right charging those fees , and was ordered to give back the money. The USA answer ? We ain't paying back no fees ! The Bush admisnistration refuses to honor a treaty that was sign by its governement and that has been inplemented many , many years ago.

You dont make friends when you renegade on a signed contract.

Last week in Paris , at the UNESCO conference , the USA , along with Israël , was the only country not to sign a treaty that stipulates that culture can be protected by a sovreign country. Wich mean that Canada can exclude culture from all trade agreement , and can limit the presence of the culture of other countries by helping its own culture ( It would mean that any country can say that it TV should show only a percentage of foreing produced TV , or it radio play only a certain amount of foreing made music)


Again , alone in its corner is the USA , against 149 . And while this seems to be removed from the Bush administration , it is not, because this administration is only about business , not values .

 

[Independent]

But are those polls even representative of the population? You'd have to look at the poll. Take a poll in my town, and you'd have 75% who think he's doing fine. It all depends on who they poll. If they want to try to prove a point with a poll, all they have to do is poll people who's answers they think will match their point, then say the poll proves their point. It's not rocket science.

So, let's poll the Republican Controlled Congress and Republican Controlled Senate.

The Republican President nominates a person for Supreme Court Justice - telling the Congress and Senate "Trust Me".

Yet, the Republican Controlled Congress and the Republican Controlled Senate refuse to "trust him", the President does not have the needed votes by his fellow Republicans, and he is forced to pull the nomination.

This says volumes about how his "trust me" presidency is going right down the tubes. When your own party doesn't even trust you, how can you expect the rest of the country to "trust you?"

 

[MizBlu]

I am 32 and can remember the days that I could actually afford to fill my gas tank and heat my home-like 5 years ago. Any money that supposedly made it to my pocket by tax cuts has gone out 10 fold due to increased inflation.

Why does it seem like every Republican is in ethical trouble right now-not only do we have the federal problems but Taft in Ohio and Fletcher in KY (governors) are on the hot seat too.

Is Bush the worst pres of all time-no. Of my lifetime, yes.

The problem is that the Democrats did not run an electable person for president in 2004-leaving no choice for those "in the middle"

I think anyone with the last name of Clinton is electable in 08. People want to go back to the way things were 10 years ago-growing economy, no useless wars due to faulty intelligence, budget deficit shrinking, low unemployment.

So you decided to vote for the same old/same old and you got the same old/same old. Whatta surprise!

 

[MizBlu]

And do you really foolishly believe that empires and countries "dismantle" themselves? Even Gorbachov acknowledged that Ronald Reagan was responsible. Lech Walesha had support of the Pope and of the President of the United States. Without it, the reforms would have never happened. President Reagan shared the Soviet troop movements (top secret information from spy sats) with the Pope. A lot was orchestrated behind the scenes with regard to Poland. Gorbachov knew that RR would never back down and that to go toe to toe with him would bankrupt the Soviet Union when they could least afford it.

Oh geeez, this is sad. The Republicans can't get any mileage out of reliving their glory years during the Clinton administration, so now they'll go back to their glory days of 25 years ago.

Why not cut the chase and go directly to Abraham Lincoln?

 

[MizBlu]

No, you cut some of the pork in the highway bill. The Coburn bill went down to stunning defeat because there was a cry of "don't touch my pork". Coburn attempted to cut some of the pork, voluntarily giving up his own. We don't need a bridge to no where, a parking lot for a museum, bike trails may be nice but they are the nicities that can be built at another time. There are tons of things like that.

Well, how come your Republican Congress with your Republican president just can't seem to get that job done?

 

[eclectics]

Well, how come your Republican Congress with your Republican president just can't seem to get that job done?

Because most of the "Pork" is Republican!

 

[hokiefan33]

I wrote:
OK, I see a consensus forming here. That’s good. It’s nice when a diverse group of people can cordially discuss a topic and establish a basic agreement.

I think it is fair to characterize the majority feeling as follows:

While it is too soon to declare George W Bush the worst President of all time, the vast majority of both liberals and conservatives believe that Mr. Bush is nevertheless ONE of the worst presidents of all time.

President Bush’s administration has been marked by a singular ineptitude that has prevented his government from successfully implementing even the most basic of policies. Furthermore, when you combine the personal incompetence of George Bush with criminal corruptness of his underlings, the result is a particular brand of government that serves only to disgrace the very people he was chosen to represent.

Americans in general breathlessly await the day when Mr. Bush will finally leave office and the executive branch of our government can once again aspire to the tenets of ethical competence. ​

Then hokiefan33 wrote:
If you mean the majority feeling of the people who have posted on this topic, you might be able to justify that, but I think there's enough of us who completely DISAGREE with that that you would have to research the actual responses further. As for the entire DIS boards, and for America in general, you have absolutely NO basis to make these assumptions, b/c I don't think you can consider this DIS topic a representative sample by any means.

My Reply
I have given this a lot of thought. But after close consideration I have decided that you are wrong. My original post stands. Thank-you

Which makes it YOUR OPINION, not necessarily the consensus, though.

By the way, there is a neat little button called "Quote" that you can use so you won't have to copy what others wrote. Just wanted to let you know.

 

[hokiefan33]

Great post.

He's falling, flapping his arms as fast as he can, but eventually he'll figure out he has no chance at flying.

Who? Steve Largent?

 

[Just2554]

I know a decent amount about the past Presidents for someone my age and I have to say, Bush is definitely one of the worst Presidents in history (although I don't think he's claimed the title of THE worst yet). As someone just starting out in the world (I'll be 19 in a week and a half), I don't look forward to paying my heating bill this winter and my gas bill is already way out of hand. Nor do I look forward to the state the economy will be in when Bush leaves the Presidency in three years.

I agree with whoever in the thread said that they were glad to see so many who voted for Bush being disillusioned with him. I thought Gore should have won the Presidency 5 years ago and I thought Kerry should have won last year (though he was far from perfect, he had better ideas than Bush). I missed viting for Kerry by a few days, but it would not have mattered; he won the electoral vote in my state. But it is good to see so many people seeing the state our country is in now; even my father, a die-hard Bush supporter, has changed his tune.

 

[hokiefan33]

So, let's poll the Republican Controlled Congress and Republican Controlled Senate.

The Republican President nominates a person for Supreme Court Justice - telling the Congress and Senate "Trust Me".

Yet, the Republican Controlled Congress and the Republican Controlled Senate refuse to "trust him", the President does not have the needed votes by his fellow Republicans, and he is forced to pull the nomination.

This says volumes about how his "trust me" presidency is going right down the tubes. When your own party doesn't even trust you, how can you expect the rest of the country to "trust you?"

This has exactly squat to do with any actual poll that has taken place. Although Congress is designed to be representative of America, I just don't think it is.

 

[hokiefan33]

I know a decent amount about the past Presidents for someone my age and I have to say, Bush is definitely one of the worst Presidents in history (although I don't think he's claimed the title of THE worst yet). As someone just starting out in the world (I'll be 19 in a week and a half), I don't look forward to paying my heating bill this winter and my gas bill is already way out of hand. Nor do I look forward to the state the economy will be in when Bush leaves the Presidency in three years.

I agree with whoever in the thread said that they were glad to see so many who voted for Bush being disillusioned with him. I thought Gore should have won the Presidency 5 years ago and I thought Kerry should have won last year (though he was far from perfect, he had better ideas than Bush). I missed viting for Kerry by a few days, but it would not have mattered; he won the electoral vote in my state. But it is good to see so many people seeing the state our country is in now; even my father, a die-hard Bush supporter, has changed his tune.

I appreciate that you believe you have decent Presidential knowledge, but that claim alone doesn't by itself justify your claim that he's one of the worst presidents in history. That term "worst" is by definition a comparative claim, and will always be subject to other's opinions; it can never be proven right or wrong, b/c it is a comparative, and not an absolute.

Why exactly is Bush the cause of your high heating and gas bills? Please explain.

What exactly were Kerry's ideas, that you think were so much greater than Bush's? How was he going to implement them?

Personally, I'm no better or worse off now than I was when Bush was first elected, so I can't say that I, or my life, has suffered at all.

 

[MizBlu]

This has exactly squat to do with any actual poll that has taken place. Although Congress is designed to be representative of America, I just don't think it is.

Please enlighten me as to how a group of people who get their positions solely through being elected by the public, do NOT represent America. I could understand someone fooling their constitutents once, but there aren't many freshman in Congress.

Soooo, what please explain it to me.