Is anyone complaining to WDW itself?

[Angel Ariel]

I very nearly booked to go to DLR instead of WDW just to get in before the possible roll out!

I would highly suggest going to DLR during the 60th celebration if you were even thinking about going any time soon! Everything they are rolling out for the 60th sounds like it is going to be amazing. The DLR podcast team just did a special podcast recently with more details about the new nighttime shows coming to DLR in May. I definitely recommend listening!

I love WDW, but DLR has always been my "home" park and I can't wait for our trip!

 

[Angel Ariel]

Actually, I think the most accurate thing one can say about it is what the article itself said:



And the furthest you can take that is that the mg "probably won't come to DL"- but that MM+ will in some variation, show up. In other words- we have no clue what they're going to do but it is definitely not definite that MB's are not coming and more than likely you will see some reincarnation of the system of DL in the future.

Clear as mud...

I never said anything about mm+ not going to dlr.

 

[cakebaker]

I never said anything about mm+ not going to dlr.

No, but you did say "MBs aren't coming to DLR" and that's not what the article says at all . All they said was probably not- doesn't mean they won't and only means not the band itself. I just don't think the article really gives us an indication one way or the other what they're going to do in regards to other parks. Which isn't surprising at all. Disney rarely gives their hand away.

 

[Angel Ariel]

No, but you did say "MBs aren't coming to DLR" and that's not what the article says at all . All they said was probably not- doesn't mean they won't and only means not the band itself. I just don't think the article really gives us an indication one way or the other what they're going to do in regards to other parks. Which isn't surprising at all. Disney rarely gives their hand away.

I was using the terminology that was in this thread previously so would be clear which article I was referring to, since there were 2 articles in question and I was referencing them both in the post. Nothing more.

And again, I did not reference anything other than MBs themselves.

 

[I M Fearless]

I have never been to DLR.

Been to Paris a few times and it sucks.

WDW is so much better.

I'm definitely keen to go to DLR, it's just such a long flight from the UK and so many unknowns. WDW I could plan on my head with my eyes shut. My biggest problem is what to do for the rest of the time?

I would usually stay at WDW for two weeks, have a few resort days, plenty of water park time, a few days in MK, maybe two part days in Epcot, one for the other two parks. 2 weeks flies by.

5 days in Disneyland would still leave me 9 days to fill! I would love Magic Mountain, but Universal and Sea World would not be of much interest to us.

I haven't booked anything but free dining is being offered here in the UK for next year, if booked by July 7th. WDW is so easy, with DME, free dining, plus we get a great deal on tickets here in the UK. None of that exists with DLR so I'm struggling to get myself over the line with it.

It's hard to compare something you know so well (and really love) with something unkown. Particularly when the choice is one or the other!

 

[Angel Ariel]

I have never been to DLR.

Been to Paris a few times and it sucks.

WDW is so much better.

I'm definitely keen to go to DLR, it's just such a long flight from the UK and so many unknowns. WDW I could plan on my head with my eyes shut. My biggest problem is what to do for the rest of the time?

I would usually stay at WDW for two weeks, have a few resort days, plenty of water park time, a few days in MK, maybe two part days in Epcot, one for the other two parks. 2 weeks flies by.

5 days in Disneyland would still leave me 9 days to fill! I would love Magic Mountain, but Universal and Sea World would not be of much interest to us.

I haven't booked anything but free dining is being offered here in the UK for next year, if booked by July 7th. WDW is so easy, with DME, free dining, plus we get a great deal on tickets here in the UK. None of that exists with DLR so I'm struggling to get myself over the line with it.

It's hard to compare something you know so well (and really love) with something unkown. Particularly when the choice is one or the other!

You can definitely fill those other 9 days! I would highly recommend, if you do choose to go to DLR, looking into driving up the CA coast (or maybe fly into San Francisco and then drive down the coast to Los Angeles (ending your trip with DLR). There is tons to do in San Francisco (including the Walt Disney Family Museum, which I'd love to go to someday!), there are amazing national parks in California, maybe visit the Napa Valley (wine country here). The San Diego Wild Animal Park is worth the visit as well (and a day trip from DLR).

If you are even thinking about it, you might want to go through the DLR podcast archives. I know one member of the team does a "Day 6" series that highlights other things in the Anaheim/LA area to do. Or go visit the DLR forums here and ask around. There's definitely things you can do to extend that vacation

It's definitely different than WDW, but it's well worth it!

 

[I M Fearless]

I am seriously considering it, there are flights in September for under $500 return from London to LAX which is far cheaper than I can get them for MCO.

It would be a massive adventure compared to Disney World which feels so familiar, I spend way too much time there. I've exhausted friends and family who want to revisit, I can't wait until 2017!

Is the weather still nice the end of September? Would love to see all the Halloween stuff and possibly do a MNSHP. It's also so hard to budget when a WDW trip is effectively one price for everything, it's tricky when you're dealing with exchange rates thrown in to the mix as well.

 

[cakebaker]

I was using the terminology that was in this thread previously so would be clear which article I was referring to, since there were 2 articles in question and I was referencing them both in the post. Nothing more.

And again, I did not reference anything other than MBs themselves.

Right and I'm just clarifying that the article did not say they weren't coming. Just said probably. Just a clarification.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I am seriously considering it, there are flights in September for under $500 return from London to LAX which is far cheaper than I can get them for MCO.

It would be a massive adventure compared to Disney World which feels so familiar, I spend way too much time there. I've exhausted friends and family who want to revisit, I can't wait until 2017!

Is the weather still nice the end of September? Would love to see all the Halloween stuff and possibly do a MNSHP. It's also so hard to budget when a WDW trip is effectively one price for everything, it's tricky when you're dealing with exchange rates thrown in to the mix as well.

AFAIK, weather in CA is generally more consistently nice than FLa, and year round as well. I wouldn't be concerned about going at Halloween time at all. We are heading there in November, and expecting good weather from what I've read so far.

I know it is definitely trickier coming from.overseas,but I know the DLR board is really helpful with planning. I would definitely ask some questions there, as I think there are other overseas guests who frequent that forum as well. DLR is.well worth it

 

[I M Fearless]

Thanks for all your thoughts, I will definitely get there at some stage, I just need to make my mind up whether to do it this time around! Would be nice to go for the 60th!

 

[HopperFan]

For the very small vocal community that consistently complains here there are actually millions who love the fast past + system. Myself included if the product was truly bad I would never advocate it or encourage people to use it.

Agree. We love it for many reasons.

DIS is a small percentage of folks who go to WDW, they are super-fans and therefore more emotional about all things WDW. There has been complaining on DIS since before it started. However from WDW point of view; Disney parks are getting more and more crowded each year, the hotels have high capacities - I think around Easter they were something like 96% full, just look at all the folks not getting what they want for Free Dining, that is because the hotels didn't need to offer many rooms to get to the occupancy they wanted or not able to adjust reservations like they used to without re-booking.

MyMagic+ and FP+ and MagicBands have been a PR success to get guests on-site and Disney is quite happy with the results. They will ride out the negativity just like they did every time they made a major change before, and for every guest who doesn't come back there will be several more to take their place.

 

[SeilerBird]

For the very small vocal community that consistently complaigns here there are actually millions who love the fast past + system. Myself included if the product was truly bad I would never advocate it or encourage people to use it.

Absolutely correct. There is a very loud very small minority who absolutely hate change of any kind (conservatives?) and they mistakenly think they can change things by venting their frustration on a web site. The OP is correct. If they really want their voices to be heard they are wasting their time here. No one is listening.

 

[wareagle57]

I was not a fan of FP+ for a long time. But I honestly believe it is the superior system now. My biggest reason for the initial hate was the inability to pull multiple fast passes. And I still dislike that I can't book both Soarin' and TT in the same day. But for the most part the ability to pre-book them gives you a lot more flexibility with how you want to tour, and allows you to plan your day a little better. It also means you are not running for a FP machine at rope drop every day and waiting in line there, wasting valuable rope drop time.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

That's great that you got free fp's. But I don't want to just complain and get fp or any other offer. I want them to actually listen and DO something about it! I think they are trying to placate everyone who complains, and that's not a bad thing, but does it help solve the problem? We'll see!

how would they be expected to solve the problem? Bring back FP-? It's almost certain that will never happen.

 

[3DisneyFanz]

Based on feedback from CMs we've gotten during our trips they aren't running into the millions that love it. I know that few people comment on things they like but a gentleman we know in GR stated they still start off their shifts with speeches on how to convince people that what they didn't get is a positive thing and to liberally use the any attraction FP to just move people along.

The company knows there are issues and its unpopular among many (not just conservatives or people on this board) but they've invested too much to money to scrap things at this point. One of the CMs said his Manager told them that it will all blow over in a couple years and people will just get used to it flaws and all. Not exactlly a ringing endorsement but it is what it is.

 

[Angel Ariel]

how would they be expected to solve the problem? Bring back FP-? It's almost certain that will never happen.

They don't have to bring back fp-. I don't expect them to..I don't think anyone does at this point. My biggest issue isn't even the limit of 3, or the tiering. My biggest issue is how far ahead they have the prebooking. That's something they could change if they wanted to. Now, make no mistake, I don't in any way think they will change that or expect them to. But they *could* make that change if they ever decided to. It doesn't have to be as extreme aa "go back to legacy"

 

[Shaden]

For the very small vocal community that consistently complaigns here there are actually millions who love the fast past + system. Myself included if the product was truly bad I would never advocate it or encourage people to use it.

I guess since I never experienced Fast Pass ~ I have nothing to compare it to as I use to go to the parks and not even know about the fast pass system. To me it seemed more of a chore instead of leisurely planning fast passes.

To each their own

I thought we had a WINNER ... look it only took 9 replies for someone to jump in with the "there are only a few vocal people here on the disboards who don't like FP+, everyone else just LOVES it". But lets face it people have jumped in with fewer than 9 replies before with this same unsubstantiated dismissal of many people's thoughts on FP+.

I bet there are "Millions" of people who don't like FP+ to match your "Millions" who "love" it. lol.

 

[Astylla]

I support people providing feedback , good and neagative because you should feel able to do so. However , I dislike how some choose to go about it trying to get anyone to side with them. It's certainly a matter of opinion which we should all have the freedom to express but it shouldn't matter if anyone shares said views. I'll be experiencing the FP+ the first time in just over a week and I like the idea but it's just DH and I so it's much easier for us in some ways than others could potentially be. One thing vacations of any type have taught me is it's essential to go with the flow but also do your homework. Having not been back to the world since 2005 , I had so much to learn and still am finding new things to add to the "Oh that's good to know" list. I can see where the value could be dissipating for some and I think it's important to remember regardless of emotional attachment to Disney - it's a business model. The great thing about it though is that we can choose where to go if and when it doesn't suit our desires. I can understand disappointment , I can also understand not every change is for the better but progress itself is an ever changing cycle which has good and bad wrapped into it.

To those who enjoy it still - that's great.

To those with bad experiences - I'm sorry it happened and you should definitely provide feedback.

To those who just don't like it - To each their own - but no one is wrong

 

[Minniesgal]

I really don't see the point in complaining to Disney as they are way past the point of no return on this one. They have made the billion dollar investment and footfall hasn't been hit so I can't see them back tracking in any way.

And anyway it is a major change but we don't think its all that bad.

 

[Mickey&Mouse]

Absolutely correct. There is a very loud very small minority who absolutely hate change of any kind (conservatives?) and they mistakenly think they can change things by venting their frustration on a web site. The OP is correct. If they really want their voices to be heard they are wasting their time here. No one is listening.

Overlooking the obvious demeaning and dismissive tone of your post, how does anyone know exactly how many people like or dislike FP+? The DIS does not represent all WDW visitors, so using just this site is not indicative of all park goers. In reading this thread and others like it, I get the impression that most people that are critiquing FP+ on here are also giving their feedback to Disney. IMO, it's wise to do both. Social media does have a huge impact, so it wouldn't be smart to dismiss the negative reviews that are seen collectively across all social media- not just here on the DIS. Generally speaking, it's important for any company to hear both pros and cons from their customers. So, my guess would be that Disney is listening. They would be foolish not to. As far as making improvements to the system along the way based on customer feedback- why would that be outside the realm of consideration?