IRONS in room?????

[mommasita]

Seems that way.

 

[tiggr33]

It is a responsibility of every crew member to report irons found in rooms. Do all of them do it, no, should they HE** YES.
An iron is risk. Quite frankly, I would too. Plain and simple an iron in a cabin is a fire risk. Beachblanket can argue their side all they want. I work in disaster recovery. Trust me, you are not giving completly accurate information. Yes, smoking is a cause of ship fires, but it is NOT the #1 cause of shipboard fires. Most ship fires are laundry related. The laundry rooms are designed with greater fire supression then cabins, they are built with fmore fire stops in the walls...etc. Please for the safety of your family and mine Iron ONLY in designated areas.

 

[tiggr33]

I almost feel like ..."i am sorry i brought it up" is in order.
after reading all the posts

TY

Dizzi, you asked a question that needs no apology in my opinion. Do I dis-agree with iron usage in unauthorized areas, yes I do. But my view is from one that picks up the pieces after a fire. There are many who will probably disagree with me, but this forum is for discussion, the good the bad and the ugly on occasion. Questions open dialogue and minds.

 

[tigger795]

I almost feel like ..."i am sorry i brought it up" is in order.
after reading all the posts

TY

Absolutely NOT! Don't feel bad. This is merely a discussion. I truly believe it is important to provide opinions from both sides so the audience has enough information to make up their own minds based upon a broad spectrum of thoughts and ideas. I don't feel like I was attacked and I don't think Beachblanket, or anyone else for that matter, should feel that way either. What kind of bland, boring world would it be without the freedom to disagree in a public forum?

I say keep the conversation civil and un-repetitive and all will be well.

No Worries!

 

[HooKooDooKu]

It can be interpreted that way, if anything other than automatic, unquestioning by-the-book compliance is seen as unacceptable.

Or -- as I would hope - be an example of what is best on this site: discussion of the reasons behind something - and welcoming a range of opinion on them.

For some of the rules, you are quite right.

A perfect example is the discussions regarding coolers.
There is something in the docs about not allowing a [certain type of?] cooler on board. There have been numerous discussions on why, and what to do to get around this rule.

So when it comes to rules that don't generally impact public safety, the type of discussion you are referring to is quite appropriate.

But when it comes to issues of safety, (and DCL has specifically listed this as a safety issue), I find it quite inappropriate to discuss how to get around rules that, if not followed, could jeapordize the ship, passengers (and crew) safety, and lives.

Sure, the exact iron you might be talking about might not be able to cause a fire. But arguing why you should be allowed to violate the rule can lead to others violating the rule in ways that can lead to tragedy.

Here's a perfect example: You argued that the reason for the iron rule really relates to avoiding tripping circuit breakers. My research has indicated that the typical iron uses about 1200 watts, while the typical hair dryer is more like 1500 watts. Since hair dryers are allowed, I can reason that I can safely violate this rule. I then take my iron on board. I accidently leave it plugged in and leave my cabin. Something I had proped up on the counter falls knocking the hot iron down onto something that, after long contact with a hot iron goes up in flames, and now we have a tragedy.

 

[beachblanket]

I work in disaster recovery.

And I work in insurance, for a company that has one of the largest maritime underwriting subsidiaries in the industry.

Most ship fires are laundry related.

???

From 2005 (latest available) SOLAS data:

Distribution of reported incidents of shipboard fires (all types of vessels, not just cruise ships) by location of origin:

Engine room: 56.5%
Cargo Areas (skewed somewhat because it includes fuel tankers): 23.7%
Galley (which on a cruise ship would include all kitchens and dining areas): 10.4%
Berth Areas (which would include cruise ship cabins and verandahs): 5.1%
Other mechanical operational areas (which would include laundries): 3.2%
Non-mechanical operational (wheelhouses, map rooms, lounges, etc.) 1.1%
Other (often bays and loading berths): .9%

Frankly, the only recent shipboard fire related to laundry on a cruise vessel that I could even locate was that aboard the Carnival Ecstacy on July 20, 1998, as the ship left Miami. Notably, it was not due to an errant passenger or even in a passenger laundry room, but rather a spark from a welders torch a crew member was using to do repairs to ventilation units in the "hotel" laundry area (the one that washes bed and dining linens).

By the way, that fire was extinguished quickly and no passengers or crew were harmed.

 

[dizzi]

WOW!

Never thought my little question would become such a "HOT" topic!

 

[Par8hed]

And I work in insurance, for a company that has one of the largest maritime underwriting subsidiaries in the industry.



???

From 2005 (latest available) SOLAS data:

Distribution of reported incidents of shipboard fires (all types of vessels, not just cruise ships) by location of origin:

Engine room: 56.5%
Cargo Areas (skewed somewhat because it includes fuel tankers): 23.7%
Galley (which on a cruise ship would include all kitchens and dining areas): 10.4%
Berth Areas (which would include cruise ship cabins and verandahs): 5.1%
Other mechanical operational areas (which would include laundries): 3.2%
Non-mechanical operational (wheelhouses, map rooms, lounges, etc.) 1.1%
Other (often bays and loading berths): .9%

Frankly, the only recent shipboard fire related to laundry on a cruise vessel that I could even locate was that aboard the Carnival Ecstacy on July 20, 1998, as the ship left Miami. Notably, it was not due to an errant passenger or even in a passenger laundry room, but rather a spark from a welders torch a crew member was using to do repairs to ventilation units in the "hotel" laundry area (the one that washes bed and dining linens).

By the way, that fire was extinguished quickly and no passengers or crew were harmed.

Your statistics are incredibly impressive. Now please respect the wishes of 99.9 % of the posters here and leave your iron home. PM me and I will send you $20.00 to cover your ironing fees. Thank you.

 

[mommasita]

Your statistics are incredibly impressive. Now please respect the wishes of 99.9 % of the posters here and leave your iron home. PM me and I will send you $20.00 to cover your ironing fees. Thank you.

I love you.

 

[tiggr33]

And I work in insurance, for a company that has one of the largest maritime underwriting subsidiaries in the industry.



???

From 2005 (latest available) SOLAS data:

Distribution of reported incidents of shipboard fires (all types of vessels, not just cruise ships) by location of origin:

Engine room: 56.5%
Cargo Areas (skewed somewhat because it includes fuel tankers): 23.7%
Galley (which on a cruise ship would include all kitchens and dining areas): 10.4%
Berth Areas (which would include cruise ship cabins and verandahs): 5.1%
Other mechanical operational areas (which would include laundries): 3.2%
Non-mechanical operational (wheelhouses, map rooms, lounges, etc.) 1.1%
Other (often bays and loading berths): .9%

Frankly, the only recent shipboard fire related to laundry on a cruise vessel that I could even locate was that aboard the Carnival Ecstacy on July 20, 1998, as the ship left Miami. Notably, it was not due to an errant passenger or even in a passenger laundry room, but rather a spark from a welders torch a crew member was using to do repairs to ventilation units in the "hotel" laundry area (the one that washes bed and dining linens).

By the way, that fire was extinguished quickly and no passengers or crew were harmed.

Are you refering to Safety Of Life At Sea, SOLAS? If so, it is my understanding that it pertains to merchant vessels. I can find no online source to verify your statistics. I would be very interested to read the data in original form.

You state you work in the insurance industry. I'm going to guess you are not in the claims dept., and do not go out on losses. Yes, fires are job security or those of us in both industries, but once you go to fire scenes you realize how devestating they are. I for one, will never get used to the smell(s).

I find it very ironic that you will advise someone to break the rules, that are put in place to protect all of us that cruise. I can understand your logic to a degree regarding electrical loads, but were not talking about coolers. A fire on a ship is un-nerving to say the least. Anyone reading this, were you on the Magic in 2002 when the stack caught fire at 4:00am? Was it fun? Would you want to go through that again? Granted that was unrelated to guest cabins, or guest electrical devices, but why take the risk. If you chose not to wear your seatbelt, that is fine and dandy with me, as it doesnt directly affect me, but when you advise people to break saftey rules that could endanger my life, or that of those I love and care for, well then I'll stand up and yell, and raise every red flag I can find. You are encouraging a dangerous situation. I am not implying anyone is purposely careless, the fact of the matter is accidents happen. Why add fuel to the proverbial fire?

 

[LoveThatMouse!]

Originally Posted by Par8hed View Post
Your statistics are incredibly impressive. Now please respect the wishes of 99.9 % of the posters here and leave your iron home. PM me and I will send you $20.00 to cover your ironing fees. Thank you.


I love you.

And those are two reasons, that every time I see that you two have posted...I run to see what you have said!

Thanks for, hopefully,turning this train wreck around!

 

[Par8hed]

Are you refering to Safety Of Life At Sea, SOLAS? If so, it is my understanding that it pertains to merchant vessels. I can find no online source to verify your statistics. I would be very interested to read the data in original form.

You state you work in the insurance industry. I'm going to guess you are not in the claims dept., and do not go out on losses. Yes, fires are job security or those of us in both industries, but once you go to fire scenes you realize how devestating they are. I for one, will never get used to the smell(s).

I find it very ironic that you will advise someone to break the rules, that are put in place to protect all of us that cruise. I can understand your logic to a degree regarding electrical loads, but were not talking about coolers. A fire on a ship is un-nerving to say the least. Anyone reading this, were you on the Magic in 2002 when the stack caught fire at 4:00am? Was it fun? Would you want to go through that again? Granted that was unrelated to guest cabins, or guest electrical devices, but why take the risk. If you chose not to wear your seatbelt, that is fine and dandy with me, as it doesnt directly affect me, but when you advise people to break saftey rules that could endanger my life, or that of those I love and care for, well then I'll stand up and yell, and raise every red flag I can find. You are encouraging a dangerous situation. I am not implying anyone is purposely careless, the fact of the matter is accidents happen. Why add fuel to the proverbial fire?

Excellent post! Thank you.


And for what it's worth.....if you pack smartly and unpack promptly I have yet to even have the need to iron.

But that is truly besides the point when the safety of thousands of people is the issue.

Again....thank you for a fine post.

 

[HooKooDooKu]

...Frankly, the only recent shipboard fire related to laundry on a cruise vessel that I could even locate was that aboard the Carnival Ecstacy on July 20, 1998...

Could that possibly be because most people are following the rules? (and crew members are enforcing them?).

 

[eva]

HooKooDooKu, you took the words right out of my mouth! I was going to ask that very question. Could it be that there are very few, if any, iron related fires on cruises because the majority of people obey the rules and use the iron in the laundry room that has a timer? Since you can bring other electrical devices, such as blow dryers, why would DCL single out irons? Do they have some great desire to see everyone crammed in the laundry room and fighting over the iron? I did do a google search on fires started by irons and there are hundreds of them. I used to be an actuary for an insurance company and we had numerous documented fires that were started by irons and other electrical appliances with heat elements. I think that using the statistics on cruise ships does not support your case at all since they are using safety measures to prevent these types of fires.

 

[beachblanket]

Are you refering to Safety Of Life At Sea, SOLAS? If so, it is my understanding that it pertains to merchant vessels.

Merchants vessels include passenger ships. From the SOLA convention site:

The SOLAS Convention in its successive forms is generally regarded as the most important of all international treaties concerning the safety of merchant ships. The first version was adopted in 1914,to the Titanic disaster, the second in 1929, the third in 1 in response 948, and the fourth in 1960.

SOLAS regulations now cover every seagoing passenger ship that is legally registered.

And as exampe of the recent impact of SOLAS regulations on said vessels, one of the reasons Norwegian Cruise Line decided not repair the Norway (after it was damaged in boiler explosion) was the fact SOLAS regulations would have made said repairs far too expensive given the company's ROI criteria.

I can find no online source to verify your statistics.

I hear you, and welcome the real world of licensed databases. Not all are readily available online on sites open to the general public, and that includes insurance related SOLAS ones that firms like mine pay significant to amounts for annual registrations.

Or put another way, Google does not include the entire universe.

You state you work in the insurance industry. I'm going to guess you are not in the claims dept.

I don't work in claims, but I iterate with people who do and because I am a cruise fan, we continually discuss the industry - including safety related information included accidents and claims in the category.

I for one, will never get used to the smell(s).

I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11. Neither will I.

I find it very ironic that you will advise someone to break the rules

There is a massive difference between pointing out (as I did) the basis for regulations and debating them and actually recommending to people that they intentionally ignore them. I haven't been telling anyone that it is wrong to "follow the rules," merely that I don't entirely agree with them.

But given the reactions here, heaven fobid someone dare to do that. Let it be known that people who don't comply with the textbook are not welcome here!!

 

[tiggr33]

Merchants vessels include passenger ships. From the SOLA convention site:

The SOLAS Convention in its successive forms is generally regarded as the most important of all international treaties concerning the safety of merchant ships. The first version was adopted in 1914,to the Titanic disaster, the second in 1929, the third in 1 in response 948, and the fourth in 1960.

SOLAS regulations now cover every seagoing passenger ship that is legally registered.

And as exampe of the irecent mpact of SOLAS regulations on said vessels, one of the reasons Norwegian Cruise Line decided not repair the Norway (after it was damaged in boiler explosion) was the fact SOLAS regulations would have made said repairs far too expensive given the company's ROI criteria.



I hear you, and welcome the real world of licensed databases. Not all are readily available online on sites open to the general public, and that includes insurance related SOLAS ones that firms like mine serious amounts for annual registrations to.

Or put another way, Google does not include the entire universe.



I don't work in claims, but I iterate with people who do and because I am a cruise fan, we continually discuss the industry - including safety related information included accidents and claims in the category.



I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11. Neither will I.



There is a massive difference between pointing out (as I did) the basis for regulations and debating them and actually recommending to people that they intentionally ignore them. I haven't been telling anyone that it is wrong to "follow the rules," merely that I don't entirely agree with them.

But given the reactions here, heaven fobid someone dare to do that. Let it be known that people who don't comply with the textbook are not welcome here!!

As I am walking out the door, I only have time to address your reply quickly and only on two notes. TRUE and VALID statistics and data DO NOT have personal interjections in parenthesis, therefore putting your data in the category as suspect. Secondly, shouldn't your data add up to 100%? By adding up to 101% you have also invalidated your own data. Thirdly, any statistic put in a public forum should be available to the public for review.

I'd like to know what your title is within Disney Cruise Line. I'd like to know what executive position you hold there that you can state for fact why their no iron policy is in place.

Anyway, safety far outweighs convenience. And I believe that is validated by the majority on this board

 

[Par8hed]

As I am walking out the door, I only have time to address your reply quickly and only on two notes. TRUE and VALID statistics and data DO NOT have personal interjections in parenthesis, therefore putting your data in the category as suspect. Secondly, shouldn't your data add up to 100%? By adding up to 101% you have also invalidated your own data. Thirdly, any statistic put in a public forum should be available to the public for review.

I'd like to know what your title is within Disney Cruise Line. I'd like to know what executive position you hold there that you can state for fact why their no iron policy is in place.

Anyway, safety far outweighs convenience. And I believe that is validated by the majority on this board

LOL! I have no time either but I must say that this thread, while hysterical on some respects, scares the crap out of me.
We have a slew of seemingly sane people trying to express a very simple point and (moreover) a safety law to a very unreceptive (yet very small) audience.

That audience....as miniscule (1) as it may be.... is unwavering in it's inane defense of breaking the rules.

This is a Disney forum. So my words are very limited here.

But I would love to tell someone that they are a complete -------!(you get the idea)

And if that should earn me black slashes/ a temporary ban/ or permanent banishment, I bid you farewell. I enjoy and love these boards but will not stand for outright foolishness that endangers my fellow passengers.

Good night.

 

[beachblanket]

TRUE and VALID statistics and data DO NOT have personal interjections in parenthesis

The definitions I added while typing in the data (not cutting and pasting, that's not possible when reading data from a hard copy) were meant to assist readers, and to keep them tying us all up in subsquent "what does that include" type questions.

Secondly, shouldn't your data add up to 100%? By adding up to 101% you have also invalidated your own data.

Well, excuse me for not noticing that the tiny footnotes on the binder page I was reading from while typing, which mentioned that the "other" category (to quote directly here) "may include unresolved claims, which can result in rounding errors." By the way, said error in the column I was reading from is .9%, so the numbers don't quite add up to your quoted "101."

Also, I apologize for missing the announcement of that anyone here is the official judge of all information on the DIS - when was that on the home page?

Thirdly, any statistic put in a public forum should be available to the public for review.

If that is the case, why not live by said rule and impress us all by posting the link to proof of the following statement you made:

Most ship fires are laundry related.

You said it publicly - so I (and perhaps others) look foward to your living by this supposed "rule." And everyone remember -I already mentioned the 1998 Carnival Ecstacy fire, so we'd appreciate more than a parroting of that single event. The statement that should be proven here is MOST. I've offered evidence that is incorrect, so why not offer the link to all the supposed, readily available clear factual rebuttal?

Anyway, safety far outweighs convenience.

Yes, it certainly does - when the the statistical probability of a particular risk is high enough.

The facts in this case show the risk doesn't meet that criteria.

 

[eva]

All this debating and statistical analysis is really beside the point. The fact is that cruise ships ask that you not use irons in your stateroom for safety reasons. Just because there are few or no incidents of iron related fires on cruise ships does not all of a sudden make it safe. The reason for the low number may be linked directly to the safety measures that the cruise line has established to prevent these types of fires. It is documented and there are numerous sources that can be found that will support the fact that irons do cause fires. Just because someone has a different theory as to why the cruise lines have established this policy does not give them the right to endanger the lives of others on the ship, even if the possibility is extremely remote. I guess you have to ask yourself, “Would I feel perfectly safe on a swaying ship, if the occupants in both staterooms adjacent to mine forgot to turn off an iron before going out for the evening?”

 

[dizzi]

Just wanted to let every one know, I went to the mall last night and found some WONDERFUL POLYESTER TYPE beautiful button down shirts on sale for 5.99 a piece they had normally been 30.00 they can be scruunched up in a ball and then opened up and not need ironed! AHHHHH, imagine how happy i was i bought 6! Now that has just cut down how much i need to do any ironing in t he LAUNDRY room or how much i will have to send out.

I would like to say without being offensive, i would have hoped to get some information on this issue instead of an arguement, Becasue even though now i do know not to take an iron on board, ALAS, i still dont understand how to pack as to not need one. So all of you out there that dont need an iron while on board and dont send clothes to the on board laundry (dry cleaners) to be ironed could you please help out.

Dont understand what tissue paper wil do? And how do you get clothes in a suit case when laying it down and then get them to stay without wrinkling when standing it up right to transport it.
Are there plenty of places to hang items in the rooms when unpacking?
Are there hangers provided or do i need to bring my own?
And when do you get your luggage as to "unpack it in a timley manner".

I will most likely be using the ships (ironing service,dry cleaners) for a couple of items can anyone else tell me about there experience with this?

When do i need to use the ironing board in the self serve area as to not be distrubed or rushed? Is it open 24 hours a day, i dont mind staying up late or getting up very early!

THANKYOU