Interesting thread in the resort section,...

[NMAmy]

You're all seriously naughty, my fellow DVC-ers. I quote from the other thread: "In fact, I found the thread that was started over there about this one to be incredibly insulting and rude."

For those "thin skinned" visitors from that other thread (which DVC-ers might also find incredibly insulting and rude) I offer the following "olive branch":

If you're going to quote me, at least give me credit.

This entire thread seems pretty junior high to me. If you want to make a point to someone who has the wrong information--how about doing the grown up thing and just politely giving them correct information in THAT thread? There's no need to start another thread to mock people in a different area so you can laugh with others who feel the same way you do. I do appreciate the more mature posts on this thread.

Perhaps I can shed a little light on some of the issues that keep folks from buying DVC that have some of you so perplexed.

Some people want daily housekeeping on vacation. That's not weird or a crime. A lot of moms spend all their time taking care of others and like to be pampered on vacation.

Some people don't want a kitchen in their room because they will feel obligated to save money by cooking in their room. Again, not weird -- just a personal preference. No one was "afraid" of the oven.

Many people, particularly in these rough economic times, do not want to lock their money into a timeshare. That seems pretty fiscally responsible to me. If you're not sure if you're going to have a job next year, why would you waste money you need to live on a vacation?

Personally, I enjoy the kitchen, the washer/dryer, and since my DH was ill, we went without housekeeping for several days in a 1 br so he could sleep without being disturbed. But I can certainly understand why other people feel differently.

Oh, and I'm not "thin skinned." I'll be back later to check on my flaming.

right back at ya.

 

[M-I-C-K-E-Y]

But what about the olive branch I extended?

 

[dvc_john]

Back when we bought our first points, we paid about $50 a point. I can't imagine paying $112 a point now.

Your figures don't compare.

The DVC price in 1997 when you bought was $62.75.
If you paid $50.00, you must have bought resale.

So either compare 62.75 inflation adjusted to 112.00 (less incentives),
or compare 50.00 inflation adjusted to today's average resale price.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Your figures don't compare.

The DVC price in 1997 when you bought was $62.75.
If you paid $50.00, you must have bought resale.

So either compare 62.75 inflation adjusted to 112.00 (less incentives),
or compare 50.00 inflation adjusted to today's average resale price.

Nope, direct from Disney and I got the info from my deed. It was $50 a point.

 

[dvc_john]

Nope, direct from Disney and I got the info from my deed. It was $50 a point.

You must have gotten some special incentive or something then. I also purchased points direct from Disney in 1997, and paid $62.75 per point.

In fact, here is the price history which shows OKW pre-construction price of $48, and OKW opening price of $51 in 1991.

(following from webmaster Doc)

Pre-Construction -- $48 (230 pt. minimum)
October, 7, 1991 -- Sales begin at OKW
December, 1991 -- OKW opens at $51
January, 1992 -- $51 (230 pt. minimum)
February, 1992 -- $51
July-August, 1992 -- $54.50
11/1/92 -- $56
May, 1993 -- $56 (190 pt. minimum)
July, 1993 -- $57.50
January, 1994 -- $57.50 March, 1994 -- Announce Newport, CA plans
April, 1994 -- $59 Increase announced for June
6/15/94 -- $60.50
November, 1994 -- $61.50
7/1/95 -- $62.75
October 1, 1995 -- Vero Opens
March 1, 1996 -- HHI Opens
May, 1996 -- $62.75
July, 1996 -- BWV Opens
May, 1997 -- $62.75 (150 pt. minimum)
May, 1998 -- $62.75
Fall, 1998 -- OKW Sells-out
Fall, 1998 -- Announce WLV
January, 1999 -- $65
October, 1999 -- $65 (notice of OKW selling out again after adding buildings 62, 63, 64)
Mid-May, 2000 -- $67
June, 2000 -- $67
November, 2000 -- WLV Opens, BWV Sells-out
December, 2000 -- VWL sales begin
January, 2001 -- $72
March, 2001 -- an increase to $75 announced for June
June, 2001 -- $75
February 3, 2002 -- Sales begin for BCV
March 6, 2002 –- Reservations begin for BCV
June, 2002 -- $80 per point
Dec 1, 2002 -- $84 per point (announced early Oct.)
Aug 4, 2003 -- $89 per point (SSR Sales begin with $10 discount = $79) with expiration in 2054.
May, 2004 -- SSR opens.
May, 2004 -- $95 per point @SSR, $89 at other DVC resorts.
June, 2005 -- $98 per point @SSR, $92 at other DVC resorts.
Jan (?), 2006 -- $101 per point @SSR, $95 at other DVC resorts (with some variances at OKW, VB and HH). Incentives are also available lowering the effective purchase price for 150 or more points.
Fall , 2006 --AKV announced.
February 1, 2007 -- AKV sales begin for existing members. $101 ($8 incentive discount also available)
March, 2007 -- $104 per point. (160 point minimum) ($8 incentive discount available)
July 2, 2007 -- AKV opens as part of main AKL resort - Jambo House. (Original opening - was moved up to July from September)
Summer, 2007 -- GCV Announced (opening in 2009)
Fall, 2007 -- Ko'Olina, Hawaii DVC resort announced (opening in 2011)
May, 2009 -- AKV - Kidani Village - opening.
September 16, 2008 -- BLT announced. Sales begin on 9/21 to existing members at $112 per point plus a $5 incentive. Sales for new members begins on October 5, 2008. To open on September 1, 2009.
September 16, 2008 -- THV announced as an addition to SSR. To open in Spring, 2009.

 

[Deb & Bill]

We were staying at the Polynesian on that trip and were able to use part of our stay towards the downpayment. That may account for the price difference.

 

[Sammie]

Why in the world would any DVC member care if someone else does not want DVC, it is not the end all to everything.

It is a timeshare and lately not the best out there. It was better in the past than it is now and sorry if that is repeat statement lately from me, but until you have lived it you truly don't know it.

Things have changed, yes some things are better, but when DVC continues to raise thier point price and dues and yet continue to have issues with housekeeping and upkeep, then I don't see that as good news. I am surprised at how many of you are willing to accept that.

Disney resorts does a much better job of keeping their product up to date and I aint buying into the addage that dues will increase even more to keep a quality product. Our dues are high enough to cover the cost of maintaining these resorts.

It is getting harder and harder to get lodging with DVC unless you can plan months in advance, many people can not do that.

I think for what points cost now and dues we ought to get quality bedding and towels, if they are there I did not see any of them at SSR in Feb. My sheets had holes in them, I get better than that at Hampton Inns.

I found some the remarks in this thread almost juvenille and then you wonder why some nonDVCers are put off.

If DVC works for you, great, that is the best reason for you to have bought. But if it does not work for someone else, be adult enough to respect that.

Peace.

 

[edk35]

NO

NOW I AM REALLY LAUGHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

 

[Anal Annie]

NO

You must be independently wealthy or something!

You need to PM me with instructions on how to pull that one off successfully!! That's a real hoot!

 

[crisi]

I just feel so bad for people who give the lack of daily housekeeping as the reason for not joining. That was our main stumbling block for a long time, just couldn't get past that, and when we did finally join, we saw giving up daily housekeeping as the one downside. But after one trip, I came to really enjoy not having a stranger in "my" home while I was out.

I still miss daily housekeeping. Not enough to pay for it, nor enough to regret buying - but I DO miss housekeeping. So I can completely understand this.

We were just away on vacation in a "real" hotel - and it was so nice to come back to a room with the beds made, towels refreshed - even my clothes picked up off the floor and laid over my suitcase......LOVE it and have no problems with a stranger in 'my' room.

Honestly, if it weren't for the nookie perk of having the kids sleep in a separate room, I'd sell DVC in an instant. I'm not sure if I'd continue to stay onsite, Disney Deluxe hotel rooms really don't live up to Hilton/Hyatt standards - and both hotels are a stone's throw away - but I wouldn't bother with DVC.

 

[redrosesix]

I just had to pop over and visit this thread.

The other thread was actually the thing that made me consider buying DVC for the first time.

And as of 1 hour ago, we've decided to join your club.

 

[edk35]

I just had to pop over and visit this thread.

The other thread was actually the thing that made me consider buying DVC for the first time.

And as of 1 hour ago, we've decided to join your club.

Congrats!!!! I love the DVC boards and we have a friendly community here plus you can learn so much. Lots of DVC knowledge on these boards. I am still learning a thing or two.


Again congrats on your decision.

 

[stopher1]

I wouldn't stay value again. Once you taste the good stuff you can't go back.

I tend to agree with you, but I will say that I'll stay in a value when I'm in the area alone and tacking on some personal days to a business trip, especially when the timing doesn't allow for a lengthy "reservation period". Just did this a couple of weeks ago, calling and booking just a few days prior to the trip. Room only ressie was $49 and I didn't want to take points away from our family stays for just me, even using a value studio at AKV. I've got an AP, and didn't need the dining plan, so it wasn't a bad situation. Not as lush of a resort as my DVC homes are, but I only used it for the bed & shower so it made no difference to me.

I just had to pop over and visit this thread.

The other thread was actually the thing that made me consider buying DVC for the first time.

And as of 1 hour ago, we've decided to join your club.

Congrats and soon to be Welcome Home! Where did you decide on? AKV? I believe I saw that in one of your posts that that's where you were considering.

 

[redrosesix]

Congrats and soon to be Welcome Home! Where did you decide on? AKV? I believe I saw that in one of your posts that that's where you were considering.

Thanks.

Yes, we've decided on AKV. I can't guarantee that it won't be part of a 2 step process. For lots of reasons, we might buy into a timeshare close to Seaworld first. But AKV is the long term goal ie. our Feb. trip in 2011.

But it's a pretty steep learning curve, and we're still pretty close to the bottom. At least we've figured out how to pay for it without cutting into our income.

 

[TSMIII]

Honestly, if it weren't for the nookie perk of having the kids sleep in a separate room, ...

Yes, there are times one cannot properly quantify the outstanding value of this perk!

 

[pilferk]

We were staying at the Polynesian on that trip and were able to use part of our stay towards the downpayment. That may account for the price difference.

Do you remember..was part of that incentive that you had to "give up" your first year of points?

We were there in 1997, and I sort of remember that deal being offered (we didn't buy til about 10 years later, AFTER the kids were born) but it's tickling my memory that we wouldn't get that years points if we used the incentive.

Also...does anyone know how much WDW hotel room rates have increased compared to inflation? According to mousesavers:

In 1998 a standard room at Yacht Club in regular season cost $280, while in 2008 it is $370 -- a 2.82% increase, compounded annually.

I'm just curious how it all works out...