Interesting Speculation

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I just finished re-reading an interesting book “The Devil in the White City”, by Eric Larson. For those not familiar with this, it is an account of both the history of the Chicago World Fair of 1893 (the Columbian Exposition, in honor of Christopher Columbus), and the story of possibly the first American serial killer H.H. Holmes, who lived near the fair. It is fact based but reads like a novel, a great read IMHO.

The fair became known as the White City, because all the fair’s buildings (some massive; one was 32 acres under roof) were classical in design, built just for the fair, and all were painted white. At night they were illuminated with the very new incandescent light bulbs powered by the just as new AC electrical current, which was the beginning of mass use of these two in the country. The White City was described as “magical” to many who visited it.

In the book Larson includes an interesting fact: one of the carpenters hired for construction was Elias Disney. The fair work was very good to the Disney family, a financial boon, and Elias often told stories of the magical place to his children, who included Roy, who Elias initially wanted to name Columbus in honor of the fair, and his youngest son - Walt.

Larson speculates the White City may have been an inspiration years later for Walt’s Magic Kingdom. Who knows? It very well may have been a seed planted in young Walt’s mind that years later was the basis for the general idea behind the MK concept. But I find it interesting that the style of Main Street buildings (other than they are not all white), while turn-of-the-century and not classical in style, would not look out of place next to the White City (based on pics in the book and research online). It’s fun to speculate . . .

The White City, for the most part, has not survived – the buildings were not designed to be permanent structures, and many were destroyed by fire. One of the few to survive – the Palace of Fine Arts at the fair – was converted to a permanent structure and now houses the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry.
 
Interesting! I happened to just have watched "Walt before Mickey" today and it mentioned in there about Elias working at the World's fair and that he was paid $1 a day but with that he was able to save enough to eventually start his own business. In the film it definitely implied this had an impact on Walt (World's Fair, working hard, opening your own business/being your won boss, etc.)

Wonder if that also had an impact on his ideas for EPCOT - and even what actually got build in Future World is obviously based on a World's Fair
 
You might want to look at the book "Walt Disney's Missouri" and check out the pictures of Electric Park from his Kansas City days. I don't remember if it's officially listed as an influence on Main Street USA but the similarity is uncanny.
 

Looking at the Wikipedia page, it seems Electric Park was itself inspired by White City.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Park,_Kansas_City

As far as his father goes, I think Walt was determined not to fail in business the way his father had so many times.

Electric Park likely was the physical framework that Walt built around, along with other influences (like Marceline, MO, where he grew up after the family moved there). But I believe that "magical" became ingrained in him from the stories his father told him about the White City.

The latter was pretty much destroyed a few years after the fair, so Walt would not have been able to actually see the White City. But it triggered his imagination, and often that's all you need. When it came time to design and build, his background provided him a vision to follow. We know the rest.

I've always admired those who have a vision and the courage, belief, and determination to follow it. Walt Disney clearly was one of those people.
 
I'm nearly positive Martin Scorcese is making a movie based on this book with my favorite, Leonardo DiCaprio.
 
I'm nearly positive Martin Scorcese is making a movie based on this book with my favorite, Leonardo DiCaprio.

I keep hearing about this. I really don't think Leo is right for the part. Who do I think would be a good fit? I'm not sure but for some reason Hugh Dancy keeps popping into my mind. Whoever gets the part I will be there to see it :) Excellent book!
 
Although Epcot wound up not being what Walt had initially intended, it's essentially a small World's Fair in its own right.
 
I keep hearing about this. I really don't think Leo is right for the part. Who do I think would be a good fit? I'm not sure but for some reason Hugh Dancy keeps popping into my mind. Whoever gets the part I will be there to see it :) Excellent book!

I read that Leo was cast for the H.H. Holmes role - the serial killer. After seeing him in Django Unchained that would not be much of a reach for him - charming yet sadistic.
 
I read that Leo was cast for the H.H. Holmes role - the serial killer. After seeing him in Django Unchained that would not be much of a reach for him - charming yet sadistic.

I could see him doing charming yet sadistic. Maybe it's because I just don't like Leo. More so that I don't want him in the role vs. him being good for the role? I kind of feel he seems a bit old for the role. And while I was reading it I guess I just pictured some one different in my mind. Like I said before...whoever gets the part, I can't wait to see the movie :):)
 
I could see him doing charming yet sadistic. Maybe it's because I just don't like Leo. More so that I don't want him in the role vs. him being good for the role? I kind of feel he seems a bit old for the role. And while I was reading it I guess I just pictured some one different in my mind. Like I said before...whoever gets the part, I can't wait to see the movie :):)

I do respect him for the work he did in the Revenant - that was brutal. Just the sloshing through the freezing water alone made me cringe.

And I agree with you - H.H. Holmes was in his twenty's when he went off the rails (he was executed at age 35; Leo is now 41), so Leo is a bit long in the tooth for the role. He became interested in this project years ago, but Warner Brothers had obtained the movie rights in 2011 and did nothing with them. They let the rights lapse in 2015, and the movie now looks to be on track for production.

What is interesting is that Holmes and Burnham, the chief architect of the fair, never met, never interacted. Not sure how they can tell both stories like the book did and make a coherent movie. But I can't wait to see the CGI of the Magic City - it should be spectacular.
 
I keep hearing about this. I really don't think Leo is right for the part. Who do I think would be a good fit? I'm not sure but for some reason Hugh Dancy keeps popping into my mind. Whoever gets the part I will be there to see it :) Excellent book!

No way, Leonardo can do almost anything.

I've literally been a fan of his for 20 years and I'm only lacking three movies from seeing everything he's ever done. As someone else mentioned, his role in Django Unchained should prove he can play a role like this.
 
No way, Leonardo can do almost anything.

I've literally been a fan of his for 20 years and I'm only lacking three movies from seeing everything he's ever done. As someone else mentioned, his role in Django Unchained should prove he can play a role like this.

I think I have only seen about 3 of his movies. I get that he's good, I just never understood the fascination with him. Ryan Gosling either. :confused3
 
I think I have only seen about 3 of his movies. I get that he's good, I just never understood the fascination with him. Ryan Gosling either. :confused3

Oh my goodness! Leonardo has done a ton of stuff! Which ones have you seen? I'm genuinely curious and wondering if the movies you saw have something to do with your overall opinion.

I'm not a big Ryan Gosling fan, tbh.
 
Oh my goodness! Leonardo has done a ton of stuff! Which ones have you seen? I'm genuinely curious and wondering if the movies you saw have something to do with your overall opinion.

I'm not a big Ryan Gosling fan, tbh.

After looking at IMDB I've actually seen more than I thought. (see, he doesn't even leave an impression on me :rotfl2:)
Shutter Island. LOVE this one. And I don't like Mark Ruffulo either :)
Titanic. Didn't really care for it. Which I SWEAR has nothing to do with my irrational fear of drowning on sinking boats:rotfl:. Seriously, can't breathe when I see underwater scenes on the screen:eek:.
Inception.Totally confused me but it was ok :)
Quick and the Dead. No opinion. But I remember not disliking it.
What's Eating Gilbert Grape. Like it a lot.
The Beach. No opinion. But it think I might have been intrigued by it.
Growing Pains--bahahaha. I didn't like him back then either.
I might have seen Catch me if You Can. Or at least some of it.

After scrutinizing my dislike :) I can't really come up with a reason why.:confused3I know he's good but I would just rather watch someone else ---especially if I'm paying. Maybe I'll sit down with my friend Netflix and see if I can come up with a reason :)
 
Walt Disney was inspired by several different attractions:
http://mentalfloss.com/article/55642/7-theme-parks-inspired-disneyland

He revolutionized the industry by combining several disparate concepts and further iterating on them. He's really quite remarkable in that sense. His excessive focus on innovation and good guest experience (all on the backdrop safety) created the first modern theme park.

Green Field Village is one of the most accessible inspirations, and it's really remarkable how similar it is to Main Street. Just much larger and more realistic.
 
After looking at IMDB I've actually seen more than I thought. (see, he doesn't even leave an impression on me :rotfl2:)
Shutter Island. LOVE this one. And I don't like Mark Ruffulo either :)
Titanic. Didn't really care for it. Which I SWEAR has nothing to do with my irrational fear of drowning on sinking boats:rotfl:. Seriously, can't breathe when I see underwater scenes on the screen:eek:.
Inception.Totally confused me but it was ok :)
Quick and the Dead. No opinion. But I remember not disliking it.
What's Eating Gilbert Grape. Like it a lot.
The Beach. No opinion. But it think I might have been intrigued by it.
Growing Pains--bahahaha. I didn't like him back then either.
I might have seen Catch me if You Can. Or at least some of it.

After scrutinizing my dislike :) I can't really come up with a reason why.:confused3I know he's good but I would just rather watch someone else ---especially if I'm paying. Maybe I'll sit down with my friend Netflix and see if I can come up with a reason :)

Haha, thanks for your detailed response.

The Aviator is my favorite movie, period, and he is so good in that. He should have won the Oscar for that instead of The Revenant, though I do love The Revenant, too. I love Leonardo and I also love Howard Hughes, so The Aviator was a win-win for me. I know a lot of people don't love Baz Luhrman films (and I, for one, hate Moulin Rouge), but I loved him in The Great Gatsby. My least favorite film of his is definitely The Beach.
 












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