Interesting Rumor Fodor

[RobDoc]

I agree 100%. Hawaii is a beach destination, if they want it to sell, unlike HH, it needs to be on the beach and a good one at that.

Hawai is the one place I'd actually addd points if it is done right.

HH is NOT (and has never claimed to be) a "beach destination". It is located on it's own private island and does have access to a beach , but it has never been promoted as a "beach destination". I don't understand why some can't accept a resort for it's own merits and insist on downgrading resorts based on their personal bias.


Are you then suggesting that VB (which is promoted as a "beach destination") was a good seller? VB began sales before HH and didn't end sales until after HH - in spite of being a "beach destination". If going to a "beach destination" is critical to one's vacation enjoyment, by all means avoid HH (and Colorado and New York and Arizona and ...) although HH does have access to a truly wonderful, wide, gradual beach very nearby. To each his own.

Perhaps being a "beach destination" isn't the only magic ingredient to guarantee fast sell out.

Hopefully DVC will invite your advice and approval should they consider a Hawaii location - it would be a shame to go thru all of that planning and construction and still not have it "done right".

 

[CarolA]

Ummmm...is hilton head not on the beach

does that make vero beach the easy winner on a beach vaca..
thanks
kerri

For some of us YES! The location of HH left me VERY disappointed. I won't stay there again. I go to HH for a BEACH vacation. Therefore it needs to be near the BEACH. Sorry Disney but IMHO you blew it here! (And I think I am not alone it was a VERY slow sale LOL!)

 

[tor]

HH is NOT (and has never claimed to be) a "beach destination". It is located on it's own private island and does have access to a beach , but it has never been promoted as a "beach destination". I don't understand why some can't accept a resort for it's own merits and insist on downgrading resorts based on their personal bias.


Are you then suggesting that VB (which is promoted as a "beach destination") was a good seller? VB began sales before HH and didn't end sales until after HH - in spite of being a "beach destination". If going to a "beach destination" is critical to one's vacation enjoyment, by all means avoid HH (and Colorado and New York and Arizona and ...) although HH does have access to a truly wonderful, wide, gradual beach very nearby. To each his own.

Perhaps being a "beach destination" isn't the only magic ingredient to guarantee fast sell out.

Hopefully DVC will invite your advice and approval should they consider a Hawaii location - it would be a shame to go thru all of that planning and construction and still not have it "done right".

I agree with your assessment of HH but to set the record straight we do have quite a few beaches here in NY both fresh and salt water

 

[diznyfanatic]

...Are you then suggesting that VB (which is promoted as a "beach destination") was a good seller? VB began sales before HH and didn't end sales until after HH - in spite of being a "beach destination". If going to a "beach destination" is critical to one's vacation enjoyment, by all means avoid HH (and Colorado and New York and Arizona and ...) although HH does have access to a truly wonderful, wide, gradual beach very nearby. To each his own.

Perhaps being a "beach destination" isn't the only magic ingredient to guarantee fast sell out...

We've not visited HH but really hope to someday, so can't comment on that, but we absolutely loved VB. It's an absolutely beautiful resort, with wonderful CM's and lots of really unique activities and it's directly on an incredible beachfront.

The one and only thing that kept us from purchasing there are the dues and the nagging fear that we might also someday get hit with a huge special assessment.

In our opinion, Disney did this resort exactly "right" so if it hasn't turned into the popular destination they had anticipated, maybe others have the same fear that we do about the dues.

Maybe I'm wrong but as an example, didn't HH just get hit with a fairly large dues increase? Perhaps that has more to do with whatever issues caused these two resorts to be less popular than anything else.

 

[pilferk]

Just a quick add on the CRV thing:

If the permits floating around are correct, and the geological research in them is right (and it would sort of have to be), there was no issue with the proposed foundations for the proposed building. The soil and surrounding limestone bed would have been perfectly fine to build on, according to that report.

 

[alldiz]

For some of us YES! The location of HH left me VERY disappointed. I won't stay there again. I go to HH for a BEACH vacation. Therefore it needs to be near the BEACH. Sorry Disney but IMHO you blew it here! (And I think I am not alone it was a VERY slow sale LOL!)

just curios....

Can u see the beach from hh....
if so do any accomadations have ocean view...

how about vero....
since it is ON the beach.....do most rooms have ocean view
thanks
kerri

 

[nuts]

by all means avoid HH (and Colorado and New York and Arizona and ...)

We have beaches and sand here in Colorado!!! Oh, wait...that's snow, not sand...hmmmm (as he gets ready for the 4th major snow storm in as many weeks)

 

[Inkmahm]

For some of us YES! The location of HH left me VERY disappointed. I won't stay there again. I go to HH for a BEACH vacation. Therefore it needs to be near the BEACH. Sorry Disney but IMHO you blew it here! (And I think I am not alone it was a VERY slow sale LOL!)

Wow! I never even considered the possiblity that DVC'S HH wouldn't be on the beach. That seems so obvious to me that it isn't even a question I would have asked! I'm glad I know now. I won't ever plan to visit there.

 

[Sammie]

Wow! I never even considered the possiblity that DVC'S HH wouldn't be on the beach. That seems so obvious to me that it isn't even a question I would have asked! I'm glad I know now. I won't ever plan to visit there.

Why would that be obvious. As Doc said it has never been listed in any information that DVC provides that HHI is a beach resort. Many resorts on HHI, are not beach front. That does not make it a desirable location for many to visit.

We love the HHI location and if want to visit the beach it is simply a mile away. It is a shame you might miss out on something really special based on other's opinions.

 

[Sammie]

just curios....

Can u see the beach from hh....
if so do any accomadations have ocean view...

how about vero....
since it is ON the beach.....do most rooms have ocean view
thanks
kerri

HHI is an island. DVC is located on Shelter Cove, an inland marina. You have beautiful views of the flooded marsh and views of the beautiful marina. DVC has a beach house one mile from the resort in Palmetto Dunes resort. They run a shuttle or you can bike over or you can walk over, I mean a mile is not that horrible of a walk for some.

At Vero Beach only the Beach Cottages (grand villas) and the Inn have ocean views. The studios, one bedroom and 2 bedrooms villas do not.

 

[dumbo71]

HHI is an island. DVC is located on Shelter Cove, an inland marina. You have beautiful views of the flooded marsh and views of the beautiful marina. DVC has a beach house one mile from the resort in Palmetto Dunes resort. They run a shuttle or you can bike over or you can walk over, I mean a mile is not that horrible of a walk for some.

At Vero Beach only the Beach Cottages (grand villas) and the Inn have ocean views. The studios, one bedroom and 2 bedrooms villas do not.

I have had 3 -2 bedroom units and one 1 bedroom unit that had great ocean views at VB. They we in the building near the campfire area on a high floor. Perfect ocean view and a view of the campfire.

Lets not turn this into a debate. I know Doc loves HH and thus his sensitivity to my post. I encourage everyone to see for themselves whether they like a resort or not. HH is NOT a bad resort at all just not my taste.

I think beach and golf when I think HH, DVC HH has neither.

As far as Doc's suggestion that they consult me first before planning a resort. Not a bad idea, but I'd be very conceited to think my suggestions should be the only ones. They really should enlist the membership to help with suggestions and planning. I'd bet we all could come up with some great ideas for the next resort. After all, aren't we the customers they are targeting. Why is it so crazy that they poll us at the very least?

 

[CarolA]

just curios....

Can u see the beach from hh....
if so do any accomadations have ocean view...

how about vero....
since it is ON the beach.....do most rooms have ocean view
thanks
kerri

Don't know about Vero, but you cannot see the beach at ALL from HH. You can see the marsh and some water. The beach is over a mile away on the other side of a very busy road.

Sorry, but unless you are huge golfer the draw is the beach. I am not a fan of the "Disney can do no wrong" theory and I think they were wrong here. Considering the whining that goes on here about the "view" etc at the DVC on proprety resorts I find it pretty funny that it's just fine that Disney missed the beach here. Marriott has some great timeshare resorts ON the beach that you can trade into.

 

[asianway]

Just a quick add on the CRV thing:

If the permits floating around are correct, and the geological research in them is right (and it would sort of have to be), there was no issue with the proposed foundations for the proposed building. The soil and surrounding limestone bed would have been perfectly fine to build on, according to that report.

Considering its 50 feet from a similar structure that has been standing for 35 years, this certainly is a shocker.

 

[diznyfanatic]

HHI is an island. DVC is located on Shelter Cove, an inland marina. You have beautiful views of the flooded marsh and views of the beautiful marina. DVC has a beach house one mile from the resort in Palmetto Dunes resort. They run a shuttle or you can bike over or you can walk over, I mean a mile is not that horrible of a walk for some.

At Vero Beach only the Beach Cottages (grand villas) and the Inn have ocean views. The studios, one bedroom and 2 bedrooms villas do not.

Don't some of the others have a partial, though somewhat obscured, ocean view?

At any rate, while our Ocean View Inn room was breathtaking, we decided that a direct ocean view would not be a deal breaker in any room at VB as we would be just steps from the beach and ocean to enjoy that amazing view no matter where we ended up.

 

[Sammie]

We don't golf, except for minature golf and we love HHI. I really think everyone would get along better on these forums if we could not decide what others like and prefer in a vacation. Many people like HHI, just as it is. It is fine that some don't.

I think everyone is able to decide whether HHI/DVC is a good choice for them. I would never insult anyone's intelligence by trying to make that choice for them. What irritates is when some state opinions as fact.

To Dumbo: thanks for the clarification that some one and 2 bedrooms units have an ocean view. I know many don't.

 

[dumbo71]

We don't golf, except for minature golf and we love HHI. I really think everyone would get along better on these forums if we could not decide what others like and prefer in a vacation. Many people like HHI, just as it is. It is fine that some don't.

I think everyone is able to decide whether HHI/DVC is a good choice for them. I would never insult anyone's intelligence by trying to make that choice for them. What irritates is when some state opinions as fact.

To Dumbo: thanks for the clarification that some one and 2 bedrooms units have an ocean view. I know many don't.

you are welcome. I'm with the vast majority of your points and posts and I think you know that.

I'm sure your reference to "stating opinions as facts" is pointed at me.

Well it is a fact that HH is not on the beach and it is also a fact that there is no golf course there aasociated with DVC HH. Those are the only facts I'm stating.

Now sayng DVC HH is not the top resort on the island???? Well, that is opinion.

CarolA is correct. Just defending HH DVC because it is WDW is wrong. The resort gets plenty of negative reviews on less biased sites. Those reviews are evn more negative from those that have stayed elsewhere on the island.

I respect that you and Doc love the place. Please respect that CarolA and I do not and see that resort as a big mistake in OUR opinion. Do we really need to qualify everything? This is an opinion based message board. Unless citing facts take most of what you read here as that posters OPINION. Doc saying HH is a fine resort is only HIS OPINION, doesn't make it any more true than my assertion in the opposite direction.

 

[Sammie]

Actually Dumbo, I find most of your comments, opinion, albeit strong opinion, but opinion none the less most of the time.

Carol's comment of

Sorry, but unless you are huge golfer the draw is the beach.

seems to imply there is nothing at HHI but beach and golf and that is simply not true. Maybe for some that is the case and that is fine, but there is plenty to do at HHI and many never go to the beach or play golf. For one thing HHI is as big a tennis destination as it for golf.

I guess the difference is in what one is implying. If someone asks where is the best place to stay with DVC at WDW and I state, "Sorry the only place to stay is SSR", well that is simply wrong.

In my opinion I might think SSR is the best over others but if I state it as it is the only place to stay, then I am implying that it is fact.

Oh well, whatever, maybe you see my point. While I can respect yours and Carol's opinion, for certainly everyone is entitled to theirs, at times for some reason the way you state it makes it seems as if it is the only option.

I don't think either Doc or I are defending HHI/DVC because it is Disney. To imply that; means our opinions have no merit and we don't know what we are talking about, guess that is why we get defensive.

 

[TenThousandVolts]

I had the same thought when the picture of the proposed DVC for the Contemporary popped up-wow, that thing's gonna be sitting on some very soggy, boggy ground, that's going to take *work* to get that thing not to do a leaning tower of Pisa on Disney...

I know it looks precarious but I think Disney could build there- they built all of Disneyworld on a marsh- and have you seen photos of HHI- how that doesn't fall in the water I will never understand- I think they can pull anything off.

 

[RobDoc]

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Lets not turn this into a debate. I know Doc loves HH and thus his sensitivity to my post. I encourage everyone to see for themselves whether they like a resort or not. HH is NOT a bad resort at all just not my taste.

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My comments had nothing to do with my feelings about HH - I was actually pointing out the inaccurate comments made and just found it strange that HH was singled out as the comparison basis for future "beach destination" resorts instead of using an actual "beach destination" DVC resort for that comparison.

Just defending HH DVC because it is WDW is wrong.

For the record (and for the sake of accuracy) the DVC HH resort is NOT at Walt Disney World.

They really should enlist the membership to help with suggestions and planning. I'd bet we all could come up with some great ideas for the next resort. After all, aren't we the customers they are targeting. Why is it so crazy that they poll us at the very least?

FYI- DVC has always asked for input from members. We have received postcards after most all trips asking for us to participate in an online survey and have recieved many mailed surveys over the years. These surveys ask for a wide variety of thoughts and opinions about our DVC experiences and expectations. Some of the surveys have been very specific and others have been more general, but DVC has always asked it's members for input. In addition, they also welcome comments from members even if not solicited. Many members have volunteered their comments and suggestions over the years. DVC does have a great history fo listening to it's membership.

This thread has drifted far from it's original topic which was about more DVC resort rumors.

I'd suggest starting a new thread for your opinions and questions about HH or VB if that's what you really want to discuss - otherwise, please return to the topic for ths thread.

 

[CarolA]

Actually Dumbo, I find most of your comments, opinion, albeit strong opinion, but opinion none the less most of the time.

Carol's comment of



seems to imply there is nothing at HHI but beach and golf and that is simply not true. Maybe for some that is the case and that is fine, but there is plenty to do at HHI and many never go to the beach or play golf. For one thing HHI is as big a tennis destination as it for golf.

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Let me add that I spent most of my pre-teen and teen years on HH. I am WELL aware there is LOTS more to do. However, I find most of what I enjoy, my family enjoys etc. is not really easy to do at DVC at HH. We like to bike ride without being that close to the main road, we truly enjoy the "away" from it all feeling you get in HH. I did not get that feeling at DVC. (it's all right there LOL!) The highway is very close, retail is very close and it's in a high traffic area of HH.

However, as a result of spending LOTS of time there I think I have a good understanding of HH's marketing efforts and the beach is a big part of what the Chamber of Commerce is selling (Golf is either number one or two depending on the year and it is a great golf destination, I don't golf but most of my family loves to golf there. They actually view that as another draw back to the DVC, basically the location to the golf course, not sure I agree, but there you have it!) My uncle who plays tennis for hours each day at HH turned down my DVC offer because it wasn't as good for tennis as Sea Pines.

I also went and read Disney's adverstisement of Hilton Head. Guess what, they don't mention golf, tennis, shopping etc. What does it mention?
"Discover an enchanting island getaway that combines the laid-back South Carolina lifestyle with simple pleasures and outdoor fun. Fashioned after a 1940s hunting and fishing lodge, Disney's Hilton Head Island Resort consists of spacious vacation homes tucked beneath a canopy of hundred-year-old live oaks on a secluded island in Shelter Cove Harbour. Immerse yourself in the natural beauty and possibilities for fun, including swimming and water games at Disney's Beach House, located nearby and right on the spectacular Atlantic Ocean. A stay at Disney's Hilton Head Island Resort is the ideal family vacation, with its perfect balance of sun, fun and Disney magic. " That's right the "beach" LOL!



I find it interesting that it's OK to trash SSR on these boards but not to say "Disney did not get a good location on HH" (Overall real estate on the marsh side is a LOT less costly then real estate on the beach side of the island.) IMHO Disney thought "if we build it they will come" When they built HH, there were all these rumors, Colorado, Hawaii, Europe etc. As of today NONE of them have come true and I think I have seen articles that say Disney was not pleased with the sales results at thier two offsite locations. (HH and VB) I wonder what they think will be different if they go to Hawaii?