Independent Audit Blasts Disney For Pulling ‘Bait And Switch’ On Florida: ‘A Mousetrap’

[Sweettears]

Yes, Disney should just give up their lunch money and they won’t get hurt … isn’t that what these type of arguments are really about.

What?

 

[john7994]

What?

To Sam’s question/challenge - of Disney just staying in their own lane. Edited the original response for further clarity.

 

[soccerdad72]

I do think @Douglas Dubh has somewhat of a point. The person who did the audit is not affiliated with Disney, therefore "Independent". However, I do think that's stretching things a little, but still technically true.

Respectfully, that’s not true in any way, not even technically. It doesn’t matter if the person doing the audit is independent, the whole firm needs to have independence.

 

[DCJ]

If an article is based on facts, The Daily Wire wouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

[sam_gordon]

Respectfully, that’s not true in any way, not even technically. It doesn’t matter if the person doing the audit is independent, the whole firm needs to have independence.

Independence from what? Disney? Pretty sure they have that. Don't get me wrong, I do think the report was definitely biased and I think the auditor went in LOOKING for the bad. I'm just referring to the terminology.

 

[Sweettears]

To Sam’s question/challenge - of Disney just staying in their own lane. Edited the original response for further clarity.

Still doesn’t make any sense

 

[_19disnA]

Independent doesn't necessarily mean objective. I am sure you can hire any number of dubious firms to reach some conclusion you already have in mind. Most people realize what is behind all of this.

There are several of these special districts in Florida, Disney is NOT the only one. Funny though how none of those are being 'investigated' for what they supposedly did/didn't do.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Except the Disney "government" isn't the only area in Florida that operates this way. There are a lot of the special districts that run themselves and are able to self-govern to some degree rather than having to rely on state funding or approvals for their improvements. The Villages is probably the next most notable self-governed district. Again, not fully self-governed but they can skip the county and state approvals for road improvements, buildings, etc. Without having the data, I would assume Disney is the most profitable district with the most improvements/changes etc but don't underestimate the Villages!

Short answer is I would like a full blown exposure to reveal every one of these in the US so they could be destroyed, they should never have been able to grow much less metastasize.

I had no idea they were a thing, before this I expect most people did not know but that does not mean people do not care. How on earth did this go on without it being common knowledge?

For Pete's sake, what is to stop a foreign enemy of the US from buying up these business governments? The practice needs to be obliterated.

Every last one gone - this isn't just a Florida thing if it went on within the US it is a National thing and a National offense.

 

[sam_gordon]

SHort answer is I would like a full blown exposure to reveal every one of these in the US so they could be destroyed, they should never have been able to grow much less metastasize.

I had no idea they were a thing, before this I expect most people did not know but that does not mean people do not care.

IMO, this is very short sighted. Should SOME be "destroyed"? Maybe. Take a look at each one and see if they were illegal, set up under false pretenses, or otherwise detrimental to the area they're in. If so, yes, dissolve them.

However, if they were legal and beneficial to the area, keep them around. My opinion is the RCID did much more good for the area (by having Disney take care of the infrastructure that the local government didn't have to) than bad (which I'm not sure what the "bad" part is supposed to be).

 

[john7994]

Still doesn’t make any sense

The argument of Disney staying in their own lane (to have not been outspoken on state legislation in the first place) - is often positioned as an after the fact argument to suggest all of this current back and forth could have been easily avoided. Essentially, it’s Disney’s own fault - if you hadn’t stood up for yourself, you wouldn’t have gotten hurt and you would still have your lunch money (the bully’s argument).

What makes this even more fun is when this is also coupled with the after the fact argument that RCID was a “problem” for years that just happened to finally get addressed in context of Disney’s outspokenness - essentially this is a variation on theme of framing the real bully as Disney, because the actual bully needed a justification for teacher in what they did.

Can’t wait to see the next arguments - because the mental and ethical contortions are becoming really inventive.

 

[Douglas Dubh]

Essentially, it’s Disney’s own fault - if you hadn’t stood up for yourself, you wouldn’t have gotten hurt and you would still have your lunch money (the bully’s argument).

Except Disney wasn’t standing up for itself. That would be understandable. Instead it meddled in a matter that had nothing to do with its interests.

 

[Sweettears]

Short answer is I would like a full blown exposure to reveal every one of these in the US so they could be destroyed, they should never have been able to grow much less metastasize.

I had no idea they were a thing, before this I expect most people did not know but that does not mean people do not care. How on earth did this go on without it being common knowledge?

For Pete's sake, what is to stop a foreign enemy of the US from buying up these business governments? The practice needs to be obliterated.

Every last one gone - this isn't just a Florida thing if it went on within the US it is a National thing and a National offense.

Not sure how you get from next door to the moon. But everything Disney did was legal and sanctioned by the state of Florida and was operating well without harming anyone and benefited the taxpayers as Disney was basically footing the bill. What changed? I don’t think that the present government in Florida is capable of analyzing this or cares to do so from an economic perspective

 

[Sweettears]

Except Disney wasn’t standing up for itself. That would be understandable. Instead it meddled in a matter that had nothing to do with its interests.

Many of their employees are part of the targeted subject.

 

[luv2cheer92]

Except Disney wasn’t standing up for itself. That would be understandable. Instead it meddled in a matter that had nothing to do with its interests.

Now that's just laughable, can't possible be serious

 

[john7994]

Except Disney wasn’t standing up for itself. That would be understandable. Instead it meddled in a matter that had nothing to do with its interests.

Yeah but no - meddling is your construct - and Disney’s reasons are their own - not yours. Still not a reason for retribution either - we can keep playing the bully’s argument game - but despite authoritarianism tendencies - people are still allowed to speak - for now.

I realize it’s uncomfortable and it has consequences (reasonably applied) - but at the same time (another of my favorite arguments) one can’t moan about Cancel Culture and then support cancelling behavior when it suits them …

 

[Douglas Dubh]

Many of their employees are part of the targeted subject.

School teachers? I don’t think so.

 

[Sweettears]

School teachers? I don’t think so.

 

[Douglas Dubh]

I realize it’s uncomfortable and it has consequences (reasonably applied) - but at the same time (another of my favorite arguments) one can’t moan about Cancel Culture and then support cancelling behavior when it suits them …

Alinsky’s rule No 4 - "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

 

[Sweettears]

Alinsky’s rule No 4 - "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

How about make some sense

 

[sam_gordon]

Except Disney wasn’t standing up for itself. That would be understandable. Instead it meddled in a matter that had nothing to do with its interests.

Two arguments against that...
1) Wouldn't you agree that their employees are part of Disney's "interests"? And the employees were concerned about the bill?
2) Even if they're not, what's wrong with being concerned and standing up for others? This poem comes to mind...

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller