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beautybelle

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Recession is finally hitting us: Everything has been going as usual as far as work goes and now its looking very bad and we very well may end up having to pick and choose what we pay and what we have to let go.
I know without a doubt that our house and power bill has to come. What would you just simply not pay? Credit Cards? vehicle pmts? Doctor bills?
Also my son is in a private school that costs us 200.00 a month and Im thinking it may be back to homeschooling if this happens. Gosh I dont know what we'll do. Our credit will hit the rocks. :confused3
Anyone out there that is already dealing with this, how are you maneuvering through this mess?
 
My DH was laid off for 9 months last year, I do work but its not enough.
We used our Home Equity Line of Credit ( I will be paying that off for a long time)
Other than that, I called the Cable Company and asked them for any discounts, lowed my bill $30.00 I paid $5.00 a month on my medical bills.
We did not do much while he was off.

Good Luck to you and I will pray this hardship does not last to long for you
 
We are in a similar position. I lost my job 1 month ago and I was the major breadwinner. DH salary will not cover the mortgage. We have spme pretty high credit card debt that we have been spending the past 18 months on a very strick budget and paying it down. In January we are cashing out my 401K. This ( and the megar unemployment) will allow us to make up the shortfall and pay the mortgage, utillities, and food. We will pay off both cars as well, we owe about 5,000 on both. It seems cars are beeing repossessed so much faster these days. Missing car payments and having them repossessed would make it very difficult to earn a paycheck. After that we have made the decision to only make the payments on 1 credit card, the one that is linked to our checking account for overdraft protection. The rest will need to be defaulted on. I have every intention of paying on them once our income improves but for now..... It eats at me to do this but the loss of my income is making even the minimum payments impossible.
 
Start looking for ways to cut things out of your budget now - cell phone plans, cable, eating out, entertainment, etc. For what you can't cut out, see what you can do to reduce the monthly charges.

I know that some car finance companies used to let you skip a payment around this time of year. That isn't generally an attractive thing to do, but it could help you build a little cushion. Look into it.

I would pull your son out of school now (if you are comfortable with homeschooling) and save the tuition money towards your cushion.

Can your DH reduce his 401(k) contribution at work so that you have more cash available?

Find out what you will need to do to collect unemployment now so that you are ready to act when the time comes. It often takes a little while to receive benefits so don't delay your application. Also find out if you will be eligible for COBRA and apply for the COBRA subsidy which will help with your premium payments.

Get out there and start looking for a job NOW!

Sorry this is happening to you. It looks like it is going to happen to me too. Good luck.

I can't really help with what to pay and what not to pay. I hope that
 

I would stop the cell phones and the cable, put my child in public school and get out and look for a new job during the day. If you homeschool when will you work? Can you borrow on you or your husbands 457 or 401K? Take out a home equity loan- rates are low right now and you can have a 30,000 home equity loan and only pay 96 a month on it--perhaps that could hold you over until you have another job?
 
I lost my job in 2008. My job paid quite a bit more than DH's. So we had to majorly cut expenses until I found a new job. While I was out of work I made it my "job" to save money. I clipped coupons; I packed my husband's lunch everyday for work; I consolidated all my weekly errands into 1 or 2 trips per week to save on gas. I started using re-usable cloth napkins instead of paper napkins; I cut dryer sheets in 1/2. (There were some great tips over on the budget boards) It was really tight for a few months, but we made it. I found a new job - one that didn't pay as well as the old - but we're doing OK. Some of the things that I did to save money back then I still do today. Good luck in your job search!
 
Recession is finally hitting us: Everything has been going as usual as far as work goes and now its looking very bad and we very well may end up having to pick and choose what we pay and what we have to let go.
I know without a doubt that our house and power bill has to come. What would you just simply not pay? Credit Cards? vehicle pmts? Doctor bills?
Also my son is in a private school that costs us 200.00 a month and Im thinking it may be back to homeschooling if this happens. Gosh I dont know what we'll do. Our credit will hit the rocks. :confused3
Anyone out there that is already dealing with this, how are you maneuvering through this mess?

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Recession is finally hitting us: Everything has been going as usual as far as work goes and now its looking very bad and we very well may end up having to pick and choose what we pay and what we have to let go.
I know without a doubt that our house and power bill has to come. What would you just simply not pay? Credit Cards? vehicle pmts? Doctor bills?
Also my son is in a private school that costs us 200.00 a month and Im thinking it may be back to homeschooling if this happens. Gosh I dont know what we'll do. Our credit will hit the rocks. :confused3
Anyone out there that is already dealing with this, how are you maneuvering through this mess?


Are you eligible for unemployment?

Cut back on cable, internet, everything you can. Call and let your let your debt collectors know what's going on. They might be able to work with you.
I hope things go better for you
 
If you have to default on something I would make it on unsecured debt like credit cards. A car is secured... default and they will repossess. Same with the mortgage. With a credit card they can't come get that meal you charged or those jeans etc. They will ruin your credit and probably call you 100 times a day. But at least you still have a home and transportation.
 
You should always pay your four walls (Dave Ramsey reference)---

That is your housing (rent/utilities/insurance), food (basics so that the family is fed), transportation (gas/auto payment/insurance), and clothes (only what is absolutely needed).


Private school should never come before any of that.


As for debts--secured assets that are not part of the above are paid next followed by your creditors for non-secured stuff.


DH was laid off and that is how we handled things. He did apply for unemployment and our budget was trimmed to what would work for the next 6th months. We still had a room for a couple of extras (like kids dance) so that they could finish out of the year.

He is now re-employed thank goodness, though in a separate state and we have to wiggle in his expenses up there as part of our basic needs before the rest of the stuff.


If you assess that you are unable to pay debts--or even your basics, then you stop things like cable, internet (get something basic if needed for job hunting), cell phones, et cetera.

And you certainly do not contribute to savings and retirement plans unless you have room to honor your debts and have a few extra pennies above that to spare.

Scrap your budget and start from scratch going in order of NEED and you will have an idea of how tight things are.

In the meantime, Garage Sales, Craigs List and E-bay are ways to liquidate and acquire cash. If you have anything with positive equity that you can offload to eliminate a debt (like an extra car or fancy toy--like a jet ski or something), then attempt to sell those things.


We were not able to borrow against our 401Ks and SEPs, so our back up was to take the financial hit to use those to survive if needed. But that would be only in an extreme emergency where we were headed to a soup kitchen or something for food if we did not.
 
And needless to say, any trip-planning must come to a halt, unless deposits are at the non-refundable stage. I don't care if it is a gift trip that you only have to pay part of, or if you haven't been to WDW for 15 years, you can't afford it right now. :)
 
And needless to say, any trip-planning must come to a halt, unless deposits are at the non-refundable stage. I don't care if it is a gift trip that you only have to pay part of, or if you haven't been to WDW for 15 years, you can't afford it right now. :)

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We had a mostly gratis trip planned to CA for the first week of December. All we were paying was a portion of the rental car and food. It was to visit my elderly grandparents. It was heartbreaking to cancel--but it was needed from a financial perspective and as it turns out--my DH could not get the time off.
 
I'm so sorry that you are going through this. I feel your pain. Hang in there.

Dh's job relocated us almost 2 years ago. I have not returned to work since we moved and we are starting to feel the change in income now. We've had some medical and dental expenses that were not covered by insurance and that has really taken it's toll on us. We have 2 autistic children and some of their therapy is not covered by insurance.

For me, I have just cut out extra unecessary expenses like vacations, movies, etc. I just cancelled our Disney cruise. It was the right thing to do for us. And I've drastically cut our grocery bill. I only buy things on sale or with coupons, or from Aldi's. If you have an Aldi's in your area, definitely start shopping there. I've cut my grocery bill by a few hundred dollars a month. I also just switched to the equal payment plan on our gas bill. Living in a cold climate, our gas bill would swell up to $300 a month during the winter. Now it will be evenly spread each month instead of those 4 months of large bills. I'm going to see if our electricity offers this, since that bill sky rockets in the summer.

Hang in there and know that you are not alone.
 
Of the billls you mention, pay house and power first, like you said. Then pay car payments.

CALL your doctor's billing departments and let them know what is going on, typically if you can send in even $5 a month they won't hit your credit, and may even write some of it off for you.

Credit cards should come LAST. And private school has GOT to go until you're in a better situation.

Don't just not pay though, call and communicate with your creditors on what's going on with you. They may agree to take less. Maybe not, with the credit card ***. really trying to squeeze out anything they can, but it's worth a shot.

Also, if anyone does cut you a deal, make sure you get it IN WRITING that they have agreed to accept $X as payment in full.

There's a lengthy thread on the Budget Board on ways to cut expenses. Best of luck to you, OP.
 
Recession is finally hitting us: Everything has been going as usual as far as work goes and now its looking very bad and we very well may end up having to pick and choose what we pay and what we have to let go.
I know without a doubt that our house and power bill has to come. What would you just simply not pay? Credit Cards? vehicle pmts? Doctor bills?
Also my son is in a private school that costs us 200.00 a month and Im thinking it may be back to homeschooling if this happens. Gosh I dont know what we'll do. Our credit will hit the rocks. :confused3
Anyone out there that is already dealing with this, how are you maneuvering through this mess?


How are you going to homeschool if you work?:confused3
 
Work schedules can mean lots of different things. Working doesn't preclude homeschooling.

My Uncle is a firefighter and works 24 on 24 off; my aunt is a nurse that works 3 12 hour shifts (or more) a week. They just alternate who teaches from a lesson plan they set up in advance.
 
Yes, go to the budget board, plenty of threads in progress about how to cut expenses. If things are really bad, I know somebody there has a link to an emergency grocery list that's something like $50 (maybe less? not sure) for a weeks worth of food for a family of four or five people.

At any rate, I agree with the above posters. Mortgage, homeowners insurance, and property taxes are #1. Car payment is #2 (see below for an exception), followed by food at #3 and utilities (heat, water, electric, basic phone) at #4. #5 is life insurance, you want to keep that, if something tragic happens you'd be even worse off. Shop around for better rates (you want a term policy not whole, universal, etc.) but keep that insurance in place! Ditto for disability insurance if you carry your own. If you don't carry your own and you don't get it through your employer, price out what it would be to buy it yourself. The average person is more likely to be disabled than to die early, but the loss of income is just as devistating. If you can only afford one or the other, I'd actually choose disability insurance over life insurance, given the odds are lower for dieing young.

For all of your needs, of course look for deals. Pre-paid cells can drasticly reduce you costs (DH and I average about $20 a month for two phones this way), shop around for lower car/home/life insurance. Cut the grocery budget as far down as you can and still have nutrious and filling meals (budget board has fantatic threads if you need ideas for meals). If your untilies have a budget program where they average your 12 month cost, sign up. It will lower your winter heating bills. Yes you'll pay more in the summer but it beats not being warm all winter. While your at it, turn down the thermostat as low as you can stand. Spend a few dollars and improve your weatherstriping and other small, cheap fixes to help keep the heat in and the cold out. $20 on a few basic suplies can save you that much in heating costs the first month alone!

Internet, if needed for the job hunt then by all means keep it, but see if you can get a better deal. Cancel cable if you get reception on an atena, if you don't have one then just the cheapest most basic package. Sometimes the cheapest package is not advertised, ask them for how much it is for JUST broadcast tv (ie the major networks, PBS and public access). Around here I think Comcast has it for around $15 a month, but you won't see it on their site, you have to ask for it. If you have reliable cell phone service, consider canceling your land line.

Christmas is out. Buy a small toy or two for your child if you need to, but no gifts to ANYONE otherwise. If it's not awkward, you can ask for grocery, Target, Walmart, etc. gift cards for anyone giving you a gift this year to help you out a bit.

Private school is out. Idealy you can send your child to public school so you both can work, but if for some VERY good reason that's out of the question, then you need to home school to save on the tuition. ETA: Of course if you can homeschool around your work schedules, that's fine too. But if it's a choice between working and being able to homeschool, then obviously work wins out.

Credit cards are dead last. If you can make the minimums and still meet your basic needs, then great. But if not, then you'll need to prioritize them. Call them up and ask to speak to the hardship departments (regular call center reps won't be able to help you), they may be able to work out a deal for you that will allow you to pay them a lower amount, in exchange you often have to close the accounts. If some or all of the hardship departments can't/won't work with you, you may also want to consider CCCS, that's a non-profit and highly recommended credit counseling service. They can often make deals w/the cc companies where individuals can't. It's through the United Way, make sure you are dealing with them and not a knock-off with a similar name. CCCS is one of the few reputable ones.

As for the car, as I said earlier that is #2 on the list. BUT (and it's a big but) if the car has a lot of equity, it may pay to sell it, pay off the loan, and use what's left to buy a bondo buggy (ie a car that looks like junk but runs well and is reliable) for cash. This gets rid of your car payment and frees up more money for other needs while still giving you reliable transportation.
 
On the subject of private school, I suppose it depends on why you are doing it. IMO, there is only one situation where private school rises above the bottom of the priority list -- when your child would be in physical danger in public school. For anything less, it's not worth it if you are up against the wall. However ...

I would suggest that you speak to your head of school and ask about the possibiility of financial aid. My DS is in a parochial school, and as a church community, we are covering tuition for a lot of kids whose parents have lost their jobs. The goal for the most part is to keep continuity for the remainder of the school year for these kids. They may not be able to come back next year if their parents' unemployment continues, but then, if that happens, they may well not be living in our neighborhood, either.

On cost-cutting -- ditch every fixed expense that you possibly can, ESPECIALLY those for telecommunications, entertainment, or recreation. Keep your internet access, however (though if you have cable you'll want to cut back to DSL), because you'll need that for job-hunting.

Oh, also, one other possible source of income: Do you own anything that other people would want? Art? Collectible cards or comic books? Antiques?
 














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