Inaugural Disney Wine&Dine**1/2 Marathon** Post Race Discussion!

[stitchfan18]

Anyone know of a good training plan to follow for those running the long leg of the relay? I've just been kind of doing my own thing lately, my long runs have been about 4.5 miles. I really feel like i'd do better and be better prepared if I had a specific plan to follow...

 

[cewait]

Anyone know of a good training plan to follow for those running the long leg of the relay? I've just been kind of doing my own thing lately, my long runs have been about 4.5 miles. I really feel like i'd do better and be better prepared if I had a specific plan to follow...

Higdon, Galloway and others have 10k plans online. Just take that plan and add 50% to each long run and you will be there.

 

[cewait]

How hard is it to maintain a 16 minute mile? Is it possible to walk a 16 minute mile? This is my first time for any type of marathon and I really don't know how to start training and I am beginning to wondering if I am too late to get in the swing of things?

You need a plan. Look up Bingham, Galloway or Higdon and review each of these plans. Pick one and get started. You are at the end of the "I need to start training" period if starting from square 1. You need to start this weekend with a walk and build from there.

16 minutes is not all that fast of a walk but it can feel fast if you are used to moving at a 20 minute pace. I have run with a walker at a sub 10 minute pace ----- then she left me. Again get out this weekend and try a 3-4 mile walk and evaluate where you are pace wise. If you take an hour to walk 3 miles I would suggest that your week day walks need to be more intense - aimed at speed play. If you are utterly exhausted and not making 3 miles in 60 minutes I would also suggest pushing your first half to January. This will give you a little more time to get started and gain speed.

 

[Mrs D]

Anyone know of a good training plan to follow for those running the long leg of the relay? I've just been kind of doing my own thing lately, my long runs have been about 4.5 miles. I really feel like i'd do better and be better prepared if I had a specific plan to follow...

I've been using John Bingham's plans from Running for Mortals and really like them. That book has 5k and 10k plans.

 

[cobbler]

Anyone know of a good training plan to follow for those running the long leg of the relay? I've just been kind of doing my own thing lately, my long runs have been about 4.5 miles. I really feel like i'd do better and be better prepared if I had a specific plan to follow...

I don't know if you have an iphone or ipod touch but there is a program (app) I am using that is called "Bridge to 10K" by Alex Stankovic. Just thought I'd throw another option out there...

 

[Shannon84]

I use my ipod nano with the nike+ feature. I had to purchase the kit with the receiver (plugs into ipod) and sensor which goes in or on your shoe. I have the nike running shoes made for this...so there is a spot made for it in my shoe. My coworker has different shoes and she has a clip for the sensor to put on her shoes. It keeps track of my mileage and pace, but i can still listen to my music and it tells me during my run when i am halfway done (when i set a certain distance), etc. I am a beginner and this was a great purchase.

I have to ask my wonderful DIS runners though...do you ever get dizzy when running even just short distances? Last night i went for a run and was extremley dizzy after just 1 mile and felt almost like i was having tunnel vision. I was keeping hydrated and all...just feeling really discouraged and questioning whether i can do this distance

 

[cewait]

I have to ask my wonderful DIS runners though...do you ever get dizzy when running even just short distances? Last night i went for a run and was extremley dizzy after just 1 mile and felt almost like i was having tunnel vision. I was keeping hydrated and all...just feeling really discouraged and questioning whether i can do this distance

Two things come to mind. First you do not mention your effort level. If you were running in the anaerobic range (you could not have said two words together in one breath) you were running low on blood sugar. This could also occur at lower intensities if you had not eaten anything in the last 3-4 hours. Second, you may not have been as hydrated as you think. If you did not drink at least 8-10 glasses of water through the day you were more than likely dehydrated. Caffienated drinks count as a net 0 - so a glass of tea, diet cola, etc do not count in your water total. Alcohol drinks count as a -1.

Either of these can create what you describe....

I would add that if this is a regular occurrance that a trip to the doctor is in order.

 

[momofoneboy]

Well, I finally registered just now. It was still 80% full this morning and jumped to 86%. That is when I knew I had to quit procrastinating and sign up!! This will be my first half marathon. I haven't done anything more than a 5K. I am excited about this!!

 

[marathonmommy]

To our newly registered friends...mrs d (see post above) is planning a dinner at boma the day before the race for dis friends (there is a link in het posts.) consider going...it will be so fun to meet everyone!

 

[CaptVMB]

Well, I finally registered just now. It was still 80% full this morning and jumped to 86%. That is when I knew I had to quit procrastinating and sign up!! This will be my first half marathon. I haven't done anything more than a 5K. I am excited about this!!

Same here! I think there must be a lot of us watching the percentage! Are all races this expensive? I paid for me and my husband and spent almost $300!! YIKES! But, now we are signed up so I have got to get serious!

Good luck with training!

 

[WDWFAN9]

Hi Team!!

Thought I'd better stick my head in and see how everyone is doing....I'm a long time WISHer but don't post a lot. My DD Erin and her friend Jackie will be joining us, doing their first half ever - I'm so excited to be sharing this adventure with them! And I am looking forward to meeting new friends and catching up with old ones (you know what I mean!!).

Happy training everyone!

 

[jeanneg]

PAT!!!!!!! Are you doing this????? Please fill me in.....I will be so happy to see you again. No time for any other races this year, but you know all about that.

 

[WDWFAN9]

PAT!!!!!!! Are you doing this????? Please fill me in.....I will be so happy to see you again. No time for any other races this year, but you know all about that.

Hey! Yes, we will be there - a girl's only trip. Jim is staying home watching the pups. DD Erin, her co-worker Jackie, and I are going to squeeze in as much as we can, staying Thursday to Thursday. We're doing MNSSHP Sunday night, and will have to fit in a visit to Jelly Rolls too, plus oh ya, the half!! Erin figures a race starting at 10PM is much more her speed than getting up in the middle of the night for a 6AM race. I tend to turn into a pumpking at 10PM, but those 20-something girls will just be hitting their stride! Looking forward to seeing you and your gang, and everyone else!!

 

[Piglet24]

To our newly registered friends...mrs d (see post above) is planning a dinner at boma the day before the race for dis friends (there is a link in het posts.) consider going...it will be so fun to meet everyone!

Thanks for posting this! I'm not sure how I missed it, but I didn't know there was a meet already being planned.

 

[CdnKayDee]

I am a little confused about the 16 minute mile. If I complete the first mile in 14 minutes and the second mile in 18 minutes would I get taken off the course? Is is just you need to maintain a 16 minute average? How do they know if I go over? How do I know if I am getting close? Do I need to wear a watch and keep track myself?

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

I am a little confused about the 16 minute mile. If I complete the first mile in 14 minutes and the second mile in 18 minutes would I get taken off the course? Is is just you need to maintain a 16 minute average? How do they know if I go over? How do I know if I am getting close? Do I need to wear a watch and keep track myself?

You need to maintain a 16 minute average. I think there's a bus that comes around and picks up people who aren't maintaining the average after a few miles.

The mile markers will have clocks on them. If you need to pace yourself by a smaller increment, a watch or iPhone is good!

 

[stitchfan18]

I am a little confused about the 16 minute mile. If I complete the first mile in 14 minutes and the second mile in 18 minutes would I get taken off the course? Is is just you need to maintain a 16 minute average? How do they know if I go over? How do I know if I am getting close? Do I need to wear a watch and keep track myself?

Someone else might be able to answer better, but from reading i've done about the other races, there will usually be race officials that will warn you if people start falling behind. They'll let you know that you need to be to a certain point by a certain time or you'll get swept. I would assume it's a 16 minute average since they'd have no way to track the time each runner is finishing each mile.

 

[cewait]

I am a little confused about the 16 minute mile. If I complete the first mile in 14 minutes and the second mile in 18 minutes would I get taken off the course? Is is just you need to maintain a 16 minute average? How do they know if I go over? How do I know if I am getting close? Do I need to wear a watch and keep track myself?

There will be definite points where a runner will be pulled from the course if they fall behind the 16 minute pace. This is a new course, new event so the hard points are uncertain but I would definitely bet on the relay point being a hard sweep point.

You are solely responsible for maintaining you pace so I recommend a stop watch of some sort to keep track of time. In the older days I had a 100 lap Timex Ironman watch. I started the timer at the start line and then hit the lap button at each mile point. I could toggle between overall time and individual lap times. You could rely on the clocks at the mile markers but you may drive yourself crazy. The mile marker clocks are set at gun time; or the time the race actually started. If it takes you 10 minutes to cross the start line and you went a 15 minute pace your first check point would be mile 1 with a clock reading of 25 minutes (10 + 15). Mile 2 would be 40 minutes. It is simply easier to have your own stop watch so you can look at your own time at each mile marker.

Note that the 16 minute pace starts with the last person to cross the start line. So IF YOU are the last person you would need to maintain the 16 minute pace to assure yourself of not being swept. Most larger races, including Disney will have a caboose person (usually decorated with balloons and often on a bike) who will pick up the last person’s pace and attempt to move forward at a 16 minute mile. A word to the wise… unless you are confident in the timer on your arm do not count on this person being 100% correct. I would push a little harder to gain a buffer in front of the caboose person. There are cases where the caboose was pacing just a little slower than minimum pace and the last runners in the race were forced on the sweep bus.

Another example – if you cross the start line 10 minutes after the gun and the last person starts at 26 minutes after the gun, you have a 13 minute buffer in front of the moving sweep clock. That gives you a slight advantage of 13 minutes more than the last start person. Or with some simple math, you could get away with a 17 minute mile for the entire race. ------- Obviously, you will not know how much buffer you have between the last starter and where you start unless you are in the back of the last corral. So always try to keep a 16 minute pace or faster at all times.

So to answer your exact question, You could actually average slower than 16 minute pace at times during the race – as long you do not fall behind the caboose of the race.

Hope this helps

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

cewait, why do you think the relay switch point would be a sweep point? If runner A was averaging slower than 16 miles, but runner B could do 8 minute miles, wouldn't that make up the difference?

 

[suzannews]

cewait, why do you think the relay switch point would be a sweep point? If runner A was averaging slower than 16 miles, but runner B could do 8 minute miles, wouldn't that make up the difference?

If runner A is not at a certain point on the course by a certain time, runner B won't matter because Disney will reopen the roads to traffic and you will be picked up by the sweeper bus.