In case we need to check our cameras...

May I suggest that ALL of you who are in the US contact your elected representatives and point out that your CAMERA is NOT the problem EXPOSIVES ARE!!!!

The TSA is run by folks whose idea of protecting us is REACTIVE NOT PROACTIVE and as LONG as that is the case you are not fully protected.

In the case of your camera they are afraid of the POWER on it. Well as I have pointed out there is POWER all over the plane.

Tell your Senators and Congressional Reps that you want the NEW and PROVEN screening equipment at ALL airports. The so called "puffer" machines are much more effective then some guy with an attitdude pawing around in your carryon!

(And by the way, you can buy a camera in the airport in the so called "sterile zone" I guess the TSA has NEVER considered the fact that a dedicated bomber might decide that blowing up an airport is ALMOST as good as blowing up the plane??? )
 
I live in the UK and part of the extra security proceedures being carried out here are at the demands of the US government for flights to the US.

Anyway, when I first flew to MCO I bubble wrapped my digital camcorder and then placed it in my camcorder bag which I then wrapped in a couple of beach towels and lastly put it in my suitcase, packed hard into the middle!

If the restrictions are still in place in January, I plan to separate my lens and body, wrap in bubble wrap, place in camera bag, wrap in towels etc and then place in a small hard sided case, locked with TSA approved locks.

When we're at WDW I plan to burn each memory card onto a cd and make 3 copies, post one copy of each cd to my home address in the UK, one to my parents home ( my father is an avid photographer so gets this!) and then pack the third in my suitcase. I'm hoping that this way at least one copy of each cd will end up in my hands undamaged!

I was planning on buying an S3 as my back up point and shoot but will now wait and buy in Orlando, ensuring that I have at least one undamaged camera on arrival! I will be gutted if anything happens to 300d but I would be more upset if I didn't have any camera at all.
 
CarolA said:
May I suggest that ALL of you who are in the US contact your elected representatives and point out that your CAMERA is NOT the problem EXPOSIVES ARE!!!!

The TSA is run by folks whose idea of protecting us is REACTIVE NOT PROACTIVE and as LONG as that is the case you are not fully protected.

In the case of your camera they are afraid of the POWER on it. Well as I have pointed out there is POWER all over the plane.

Another person with her head screwed on properly! :love: Just like in photography, it's better to be an anticipative photographer (in this case proactive measures) instead of reactive photographer (in this case, overly knee-jerk reactive security measures).

As I previously mentioned, even if there is ZERO electronics on the aircraft, not even AC outlet in the washroom, no lights whatsoever, and the aircraft is flown by the power of magic, all the terrorist need to do to detonate a bomb is to rub wool (or similar type of cloth) to create static eletricity and kablamo!

Then what? the next thing you know everybody should be flying naked AND completely shaven, tied to the plastic chair so there can be no movement whatsoever to prevent static charges.

This knee-jerk over-reaction is completely dumb. :furious:
 
If you are flying on a Domestic flight in the U.S. I thought the only thing not allowed on a carry on is liquids. You can bring laptops and camera's onto the plane.
 

yup, the electronics ban on Pearson Int'l Airport was also lifted around 10pm that very same day. AFTER I contacted 6 of my clients that I have to cancel due to the new restriction.

Thanks Canada! :(
 
donaldduck1967 said:
If you are flying on a Domestic flight in the U.S. I thought the only thing not allowed on a carry on is liquids. You can bring laptops and camera's onto the plane.


Here's the overview from the NY TIMES this morning...
Restrictions
U.S. Transportation Security Agency Prohibits Carrying Liquids and Gels on Flights
By JEREMY W. PETERS and JAMES KANTER

Travelers still having nightmares over the delays caused by passengers who forgot to remove tweezers and matches from their carry-on luggage should prepare for the Transportation Security Administration’s new target: all nonsolid forms of matter.

Effective yesterday, the Department of Homeland Security banned all liquids and gels from carry-on luggage aboard airplanes. That means everything from bottled water to coffee to common toiletries like contact-lens solution, nail polish and toothpaste now must be checked. If you forget, prepare to surrender offending items at the security checkpoint.

Even beverages bought beyond the security checkpoint are forbidden on board. If you buy a soda or a bottle of water in the terminal, finish it before boarding because you will not be allowed on the plane with it.

Kip Hawley, assistant secretary of homeland security, offered this advice, “De-clutter your bag.”

“That is something very easy to do as you pack your bag,” he said. “Leave the liquids at home, drink them.”

The new restrictions are part of a temporary security enhancement at the nation’s airports after the discovery by British intelligence officials of a plot to blow up airplanes flying from Britain to the United States.

In announcing the additional precautions, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said they were temporary, but he indicated that they would remain in place while the Transportation Security Administration refined its screening procedures so it could more thoroughly examine liquids.

A Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman, Ann Davis, said yesterday that the agency was still looking at how long the heightened restrictions would be in place. “We don’t have any indication as to when the restrictions will be lifted,” she said.

The liquid and gel ban has exceptions. Baby formula and medicine are allowed, provided that passengers present them for inspection and are prepared to prove that the name on the bottle matches the name on their ticket. That does not mean passengers will be required to taste baby formula to prove that it is not really a hazardous liquid, as was the case in Britain yesterday.

The new American precautions are far less restrictive than those in Britain. At British airports, passengers traveling to the United States must endure trans-Atlantic flights without iPods, personal DVD players and computers to distract them. Only essential items like passports and wallets held in transparent plastic bags are allowed in the cabin. Passengers are not permitted to carry anything in their pockets, and women’s handbags may not be carried on.

The British also banned carry-on liquids, from apple juice to whiskey; passengers had to check their liquid prescription medicine and contact-lens solution yesterday. Women’s sanitary items were allowed in the cabin, but only if they were removed from their boxes.

Tony Cane, a spokesman for British Airways, said reading material also could be affected. He said the airline had advised travelers to put books in checked luggage.

Meanwhile, passengers traveling from the United States to Britain may take items like laptop computers on board, but that if they travel through a British airport, hand luggage — including laptops — will not be allowed, Mr. Cane said.

In other European countries, new security procedures varied. Spanish officials said that they would monitor passengers more closely but were not adding restrictions on carry-on items.

In Italy, passengers were also being screened more carefully. A spokesman for the transportation minister said Italy was “waiting to understand the situation in the U.K.” before issuing any rules restricting carry-on items.

ENAC, the Italian Civil Aviation Authority, said Thursday that passengers to Britain, Israel and the United States should bring as little luggage as possible, and limit carry-on luggage to “documents, medicinal drugs and those personal effects required for the trip.”

Airport authorities at Fiumicino airport in Rome, where flights to Heathrow were canceled, also banned all liquids from carry-on luggage on flights to Britain, Israel and the United States.

The disruptions are likely to have the strongest effects on business travelers, who have grown used to taking day flights to meetings with only carry-on luggage, and who rely on laptops, cellphones and other devices to work while flying to meetings.

“The practice of business worldwide has become totally dependent on using the time while flying to work, but how many people are going to put laptops in their luggage?” asked Robert Aaronson, the director general of Airports Council International, based in Geneva.

Because airport security rules are constantly changing, the latest restrictions are expected to ease over time in the United States and in Britain.

Mr. Chertoff said the restrictions would “give us time to make adjustments in our current screening tactics.”

“These measures,” the Homeland Security Department said, “will be constantly evaluated and updated as circumstances warrant.” Detailed advice for air travelers is available on the department’s Web site, www.dhs.gov.

The Transportation Security Administration eventually relented on tweezers and manicure scissors. Screeners were spending too much time taking them from passengers. So the administration decided those items did not pose enough of a risk to flying to warrant banning. Congress, which passed a law requiring the agency to screen for matches, repealed the measure for the same reason.

It is possible that the new restrictions on liquid will be similarly abandoned.

It is also possible that authorities will set new regulations for how liquids are carried on. After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, for example, passengers were only allowed to bring on board drinks in unopened containers. The agency eventually relaxed that rule.

“The prohibited items list has been modified from time to time,” said Ms. Davis of the Transportation Security Administration, “and the restrictions issued this morning represent the latest modification.”

Jeremy W. Peters reported from New York for this article, and James Kanter from Paris. Elisabetta Povoledo contributed reporting from Milan, and Don Phillips from Washington.
 
San Francisco Chronicle Article from Friday August 11, 2006.

"BOMB COMPONENTS
Two common raw ingredients of TATP, acetone and hydrogen peroxide, come in liquid form and could easily be mixed in the bathroom and detonated from a spark created by the battery of an electronic device"

From a different site:
"Plastic explosives, known as C4 explosives, are claylike and easily can be concealed in any container. They have been popular among both international and domestic terrorists" (maybe a gutted camera body or video camera body?)

Found in a yahoo search:
"One of the explosives most commonly used by Middle East terrorists is triacetone triperoxide, or TATP, a highly potent explosive used by would-be "shoe bomber" Richard Reid. Usually found in the form of a crystalline powder, experts said TATP could be dissolved into a liquid that could be carried aboard a plane.

"Some terrorists have actually held TATP in water in order to reduce its sensitivity," Hanan said.

But terrorists could simply carry aboard a plane the two chemicals used to make TATP.

When the chemicals are mixed together, "chances are it will instantaneously and violently react," said Neal Langerman, a chemical industry consultant who acts as a spokesman for the American Chemical Society. "If it didn't, you can stick in a detonator, hook it up to the battery in your iPod, and you're dead."

And then this article from Red Orbit a space, science technology news and information web site.

Found these just in doing a few searches in about 20 minutes.

Maybe it is a little over the top to not allow drinks bought right outside the gate in the airport, but paranoia is paranoia. How screened are the cleaning crew that clean the bathrooms in airports that are right at the gates. What about the delivery people that deliver the product that is sold in those stores around the gates. Stores in general have those detectors at the front enterances/exits to the stores, but there is nothing but a store receiver in the backroom. What do we know about the receiving policies for the airport stores? Who checks the 40 cases of water that are delivered to those stores on a weekly or daily or how ever often basis? Maybe I've seen to many movies, but if I can think of some pretty wild scenarios then imagine what terrorists could think of. Also, ever had a neighbors house broken into? How paranoid were you after that?

After 9/11 there were a lot of restrictions that were relaxed after a short period. The terrorists on 9/11 bought the same box cutter knife that I use on a daily basis at work and fits in my front pocket. All they did was slit 1 or 2 throats to envoke fear on the other passangers then used the fuel on board as a bomb without any spark other than the impact of the metal plane hitting the metal on the building. So basically Kelly's scanario has already taken place.

So I guess we can contact our elected officials, but what if they say how does anyone know that there isn't 2 pounds of C4 packed inside a hollowed out camera body?

I don't have the answers and I don't know who does. Terrorism is terrorism. Its not pretty. We just have to hope it doesn't get worse.

I don't know, I just don't know.
 
Guidelines have been relaxed over here now by the Home Office, albeit that the airports authorityare not allowing hand luggage until tomorrow.

Here is the section from their website:

"Hand baggage ban lifted, though some restrictions apply
Each passenger is allowed to carry one item of cabin baggage through the airport security search point.

The dimensions of this item must not exceed a maximum length of 45cm, width of 35cm and depth of 16cm (17.7"×13.7"×6.2" approx) including wheels, handles, side pockets, etc.

Other bags, such as handbags, may be carried within the single item of cabin baggage. All items carried by passengers will be screened by X-ray.

No liquids
No liquids of any type are permitted through the airport security search point, other than the following items:

Prescription medicines in liquid form sufficient and essential for the flight (eg diabetic kit), as long as verified as authentic.
Baby milk and liquid baby food (the contents of each bottle or jar must be tasted by the accompanying passenger).
The definition of liquids includes:

gels
pastes
lotions
liquid/solid mixtures
the contents of pressurised containers, eg. toothpaste, hair gel, drinks, soups, syrups, perfume, deodorant, shaving foam, aerosols etc.
To help their progress through search points, passengers are encouraged not to include items capable of containing liquids (eg, bottles, flasks, tubes, cans, plastic containers, etc) in their cabin baggage.

X-ray screening
All laptops and large electrical items (eg, large hairdryer) must be removed from the bag and placed in a tray, so that when the cabin baggage is x-ray screened, these items neither obscure nor are obscured by the bag.

Pushchairs and walking aids are permitted but must also be x-ray screened. Wheelchairs are permitted but must be thoroughly searched.

Flying to the USA
In addition to the above, passengers boarding flights to the US and items they are carrying, including those acquired after the central screening point, will be subjected to secondary search at the gate. Any liquids discovered will be removed from the passenger.

Security measures remain under review
The Department for Transport say they will work closely with operators to introduce these new arrangements, seeking to keep disruption to passengers to a minimum. They say they will keep these measures under review.

If passengers have any questions on their travel arrangements or security in place at airports they should contact the airport or their airline.

Airport operator BAA has asked passengers not to bring hand baggage until the latest changes have been phased in at Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted"

As you can see we still aren't allowed to bring liquid on board. Have just measured my camera bag, and it is ok length and height way, but not depth. I susppect they may well be relaxed somewhat more again - here's hoping!
 
handicap18 said:
So I guess we can contact our elected officials, but what if they say how does anyone know that there isn't 2 pounds of C4 packed inside a hollowed out camera body?

Well, that one's easy.

They already have electronic and canine detectors that look for the chemical signature of C4, TNT, and similar explosives.

I'm also pretty certain that both C4 and TNT are dense enough that they would show up on an airport x-ray scanner as solids. Certainly, if a camera body were packed with C4, it would be 100% obvious on the scanner that there was no camera mechanism inside the body.

I just hope that it's not nessecary to remove every piece of my camera gear from the bag for the carry-on scanners. It's already been required to take laptops out of the bag and put them into separate plastic bins; I can imagine the chaos that would be caused by having to also take out the camera body, flash, and maybe the lenses and batteries, and put them all into plastic bins for x-ray scanning.
 
pxlbarrel said:
edited for space
...... If the camera did get stolen and all the memory cards with them (shudder), at least your photos are still safe. You can replace the cards and memory but not the memories. (ahhh...big buildup to a small pun...) :lmao:

I think you can get photos burned onto cds almost anywhere. I even remember seeing that it at a Publix.


i'm confused, is there a reason you can't just get a card wallet and keep it on your person? ( we rarely fly, before due to husband's anxiety, now due to mine :lmao: )
 
jann1033 said:
i'm confused, is there a reason you can't just get a card wallet and keep it on your person? ( we rarely fly, before due to husband's anxiety, now due to mine :lmao: )


This was IF they refused to let you board with it on your person. You, I and most of the people on this board know that there's not much to a memory card...it's whether the TSA security guy at the moment you're being hand searched will know it. What we're talking about, mostly, in this thread are contingency plans since they haven't banned electronics on the US and Canadian flights as of yet.

I've already gone and purchased a Pelican and now have it available to me should I need it. I'm going to use it on my Friday trip as my carry on...if nothing else, at least my camera is going to be really protected as I move it from the airport to the rental car. LOL
 
it depends on the interpretation of "electronics". Logically, memory cards should be fine. Battery-powered HDD-based photobank should NOT be okay. The key of this scare is the ignition device, which in the end goes back to my argument:

all the terrorists need to do is rub their feet on the carpeting, create static electricity, zap the bomb and we're back to "kablamo" :(

So all of these countermeasures are pointless.

Remember when sewing needles weren't allowed? Tweezers? Who's going to hijack a plane using sewing needles and tweezers? On the other hand, the 9/11 hijackers used cardboard knife. :(
 
CarolA said:
May I suggest that ALL of you who are in the US contact your elected representatives and point out that your CAMERA is NOT the problem EXPOSIVES ARE!!!!

The TSA is run by folks whose idea of protecting us is REACTIVE NOT PROACTIVE and as LONG as that is the case you are not fully protected.

In the case of your camera they are afraid of the POWER on it. Well as I have pointed out there is POWER all over the plane.

Tell your Senators and Congressional Reps that you want the NEW and PROVEN screening equipment at ALL airports. The so called "puffer" machines are much more effective then some guy with an attitdude pawing around in your carryon!

(And by the way, you can buy a camera in the airport in the so called "sterile zone" I guess the TSA has NEVER considered the fact that a dedicated bomber might decide that blowing up an airport is ALMOST as good as blowing up the plane??? )

I'm sorry, no offense meant but this is the kind of reaction you get when you don't have all the facts and are misinformed on the some of the ones you think you have.
 
Kelly Grannell said:
it depends on the interpretation of "electronics". Logically, memory cards should be fine. Battery-powered HDD-based photobank should NOT be okay. The key of this scare is the ignition device, which in the end goes back to my argument:

all the terrorists need to do is rub their feet on the carpeting, create static electricity, zap the bomb and we're back to "kablamo" :(

So all of these countermeasures are pointless.

Remember when sewing needles weren't allowed? Tweezers? Who's going to hijack a plane using sewing needles and tweezers? On the other hand, the 9/11 hijackers used cardboard knife. :(

You did note that I said it was in case the TSA guy didn't know what a memory card was, eh? ;)

It's like Customs, one guy will let a parcel through without inspecting it and another guy who's having a bad day will tear it open and examine everything with a fine tooth comb in order to assess duty on it.
 
yup. Last year I got back from Japan from a photoshoot with my 5D, 70-200 f/2.8L IS, flash, tripod, grip, bodies etc and a point-and-shoot (Canon A95, 2-year-ago model). The Canadian Customs officer was grilling me because he thought that I didn't declare the point and shoot. He kept going on and on about how a professional would not touch a point and shoot unless he/she is buying it for friends/relatives... until I told him to check Canon.ca website for the A95. Only then he realized that the product's been discontinued 2 years ago.

All of those times, he didn't mentioned a single thing about my (total) $10k gear (including laptop) but grilling me on a $400 point and shoot.

Sigh.
 
IF, and that is what some are not understanding because I just flew to DisneyWorld(I am here now) from LA and it is still IF they ban electronics from carry ons. Saying that "they should not ban them because power is available inside the cabin" is just like saying that "night clubs should allow customers to enter with baseball bats since anyone could use bottles and chairs from inside as weapons."

But I had no issues with security carrying a 20D plus my wife was carrying a Laptop, my kids had Ipods and PSPs.
 
funny enough, I actually agree with you. During my club hopping days, the only reason I stopped was a fight broke inside with the throwing of chairs, using bottles as weapons etc and we had to go past a metal detector to get in for 'security reasons'.

What's the point of security checks if anything inside can be used as a weapon.

At least with knives (on an aircraft) they banned it from the outside, and from the inside they changed it to plastic (and somewhat dull).
 
I travel for work and used to take 3 large pelican cases with me. You can't imagine the shape the equipment would be in once I arrived. Forget UPS or Fed Ex they ruined the equip. or lost packages. They basically said you are out of luck. After 9/11 we let UPS damage the pelican cases and the equipment inside.

If I couldn't take my laptop and digital camera gear in the cabin there is no use for me to fly. I wouldn't have a job.
 
Good info Anewman. Looks like the highest restrictions are on the international flights especially those originating in the UK and most especially those heading to the U.S.

Hey, since your at WDW now and you seem to be on the computer,,,,,,,,,, WHERES THE PICTURES!! :confused3 :rolleyes1 :teeth:
 
safetymom said:
If I couldn't take my laptop and digital camera gear in the cabin there is no use for me to fly. I wouldn't have a job.

Too bad not too many people share this view (I'm not talking about this board alone, but other forums and people in general as well)
 














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