I'm So Sad--Photography Nightmare

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Hi, I'm new--to the Photography Board, not to the DIS. I've had a tragedy. I just got back from WDW. We were there 10 days. It was the first time I had used my new digital camera for an extended period of time. I had used it all summer, but only for one day trips--not an entire vacation.

So here's what happened--I've lost everything from 9/1 on. I was at WDW from 8/26 - 9/4 and had some awesome pictures--or so I thought. But they stop at 8/31. I have a 4GB photo card, so I know that's not the problem. Can anyone give me ANY clue as to why 1/2 my pictures are gone?

I have a Kodak Z812 IS. I had to change the batteries often. The first time I changed them, it said that it didn't recognize my file format for my photo card. So I popped it out and back in and it was fine--and all my pictures were there. But something happened after 8/31 that erased everything. I know yesterday's were there because I looked at them at the airport last night. But when I went to get them off the photocard today, they're gone.

Any suggestions? I need to know what I'm doing wrong so I don't do it again. I'm HEARTBROKEN that all those pictures are just gone.
 
Hi, I'm new--to the Photography Board, not to the DIS. I've had a tragedy. I just got back from WDW. We were there 10 days. It was the first time I had used my new digital camera for an extended period of time. I had used it all summer, but only for one day trips--not an entire vacation.

So here's what happened--I've lost everything from 9/1 on. I was at WDW from 8/26 - 9/4 and had some awesome pictures--or so I thought. But they stop at 8/31. I have a 4GB photo card, so I know that's not the problem. Can anyone give me ANY clue as to why 1/2 my pictures are gone?

I have a Kodak Z812 IS. I had to change the batteries often. The first time I changed them, it said that it didn't recognize my file format for my photo card. So I popped it out and back in and it was fine--and all my pictures were there. But something happened after 8/31 that erased everything. I know yesterday's were there because I looked at them at the airport last night. But when I went to get them off the photocard today, they're gone.

Any suggestions? I need to know what I'm doing wrong so I don't do it again. I'm HEARTBROKEN that all those pictures are just gone.



are you using a card reader or connecting the camera to your PC..
get a card reader to connect to your PC,,
download ZAR it's a great recovery program i used it to recover pics from a card that I had problems with,, it even recovered older pics that I had intentionally deleted, and I had formatted the car after deleting them..
 
I'm not familiar with that model of camera.. but I do recall on and old Nikon D50 that when you put in a 4gb card it would often act like it was reading it but in fact the camera wasn't made to use cards larger than 2gbs... so it would work fine for some of the pictures but once you got to a certain point the pictures weren't being written to the card they just vanished into space.

I would check you manual that came with the camera... if your camera was only made for 2gb or smaller card then I'm afraid your nightmare is a reality... as I understand it a lot of older cameras were made before 4gb sd cards even existed so they didn't bother to put firmware in them to handle the extra space... some camera will just reject the cards when you put them in while others would do like the D50 and act like they were working fine when they really weren't working at all past the 2gb point.
 
Well, I did what Mickey88 said and got a card reader and found the rest of my photos!!! I am SO happy. Thank you for the suggestion. I have no idea WHY they would not show up when I connected my camera to the computer, but I'm so happy to have them. I guess I've learned a valuable lesson about making sure to get the photos loaded on the computer sooner rather than later. Again, thanks for the information!! My pictures are now safe!!
 

Well, I did what Mickey88 said and got a card reader and found the rest of my photos!!! I am SO happy. Thank you for the suggestion. I have no idea WHY they would not show up when I connected my camera to the computer, but I'm so happy to have them. I guess I've learned a valuable lesson about making sure to get the photos loaded on the computer sooner rather than later. Again, thanks for the information!! My pictures are now safe!!

Fantastic !!!
:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2
you are quite welcome..
I always recommend using a card reader, eliminates wear and tear on camera and batteries,, and is neccessary when using recovery software...
 
ohhh! good to hear you recovered them! I'm pretty crazy about my pictures and scared something will happen to them so I bring my macbook with me (not JUST for pics...but it's a big plus) and every night I upload them to my macbook just so I know they're pretty safe.
 
ohhh! good to hear you recovered them! I'm pretty crazy about my pictures and scared something will happen to them so I bring my macbook with me (not JUST for pics...but it's a big plus) and every night I upload them to my macbook just so I know they're pretty safe.


unless something happens to your macbook,
as an added safety measure, you might want to burn to dvd also..
 
phew.. am glad to see a good outcome, I was afraid we were gonna have tears of sadness (before I opened the thread I was waiting for a picture of a camera laying in pieces, shattered)
 
Yes, with my 2G and 4G media, I've found that after X number of images, the card creates a folder and then begins again with a second folder of photos. So, if I try to view them on the camera, only the first folder photos can be viewed. But when I pop the media into a card reader and connect it to the PC, then all of the pictures are there.
 
I'm glad to hear that you were able to recover your pics!

This incident just illustrates a point I've made many times on the boards - You shouldn't buy one big memory card, but a bunch of smaller cards. Have one memory card for every day of your trip and swap them out whether they are full or not. This way, if something goes wrong with any one card, you can't lose more than one day's worth of pics.
 
I'm glad to hear that you were able to recover your pics!

This incident just illustrates a point I've made many times on the boards - You shouldn't buy one big memory card, but a bunch of smaller cards. Have one memory card for every day of your trip and swap them out whether they are full or not. This way, if something goes wrong with any one card, you can't lose more than one day's worth of pics.


what if you shoot an 18 meg file size,,and 16 gig cards work best :confused3
 
what if you shoot an 18 meg file size,,and 16 gig cards work best :confused3

All I'm saying is, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

If you shoot 18mb files, a 16gb card will hold something like 900 pics.

Everyone shoots a different number of pics per day, but I rarely shoot more than 200 per day at WDW, so if my files were 18mb and I had a 16gb card, it would hold 4-1/2 heavy shooting days of pics.

If I lost that card, or it malfunctioned, or my camera was stolen, lost, dropped, bumped, or went for a swim on POTC, then I would have lost 4-1/2 days worth of pics - that more than half of my average trip!

On the other hand, if I went with 4gb cards instead, and swaped them out every day, I could still get a heavy day's worth of pics on each card, but when the camera or card goes POOF! I can never lose more than one day's pics.

Naturally, if you shoot 400 pics per day, I'd advise you to go with 8gb cards, and if you actually do shoot 900 pics per day (some do!) then by all means get the 16gb card. But even then you're going to need a lot more cards, because once you fill up that card, you're going to need more, unless you plan on taking no more pics for the rest of the trip.

I'm just advocating taking the same precautions with your pics as you take with cash - nobody is foolish enough to take $4000 to WDW and carry the whole wad around the parks all day. So why carry all of your vacation pics with you everywhere you go? Those pics are far more valuable than the memory cards they're on, and in fact they are usually more valuable than the camera used to take them - the camera and memory cards can be replaced, but the pics cannot.
 
All I'm saying is, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

If you shoot 18mb files, a 16gb card will hold something like 900 pics.

Everyone shoots a different number of pics per day, but I rarely shoot more than 200 per day at WDW, so if my files were 18mb and I had a 16gb card, it would hold 4-1/2 heavy shooting days of pics.

If I lost that card, or it malfunctioned, or my camera was stolen, lost, dropped, bumped, or went for a swim on POTC, then I would have lost 4-1/2 days worth of pics - that more than half of my average trip!

On the other hand, if I went with 4gb cards instead, and swaped them out every day, I could still get a heavy day's worth of pics on each card, but when the camera or card goes POOF! I can never lose more than one day's pics.

Naturally, if you shoot 400 pics per day, I'd advise you to go with 8gb cards, and if you actually do shoot 900 pics per day (some do!) then by all means get the 16gb card. But even then you're going to need a lot more cards, because once you fill up that card, you're going to need more, unless you plan on taking no more pics for the rest of the trip.

I'm just advocating taking the same precautions with your pics as you take with cash - nobody is foolish enough to take $4000 to WDW and carry the whole wad around the parks all day. So why carry all of your vacation pics with you everywhere you go? Those pics are far more valuable than the memory cards they're on, and in fact they are usually more valuable than the camera used to take them - the camera and memory cards can be replaced, but the pics cannot.


THAT is so true. I didn't come to the Photography Board before I went--wish I would have now. My outcome was good, but it could have been awful. I only shot 347 pictures TOTAL for my 10 day trip. My DS12 wanted to go, go, go too much for me to really stop and take the shots I wanted to. But I got stuff that I like and it gave me time to practice. I'll get better over time. I like "not putting all my eggs in one basket" and will remember that the next time I go somewhere I know I'm going to be taking a lot of shots.

Thanks again for the help--I do appreciate all the suggestions. You can't get better if you don't ask!! :thumbsup2
 
All I'm saying is, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

If you shoot 18mb files, a 16gb card will hold something like 900 pics.

Everyone shoots a different number of pics per day, but I rarely shoot more than 200 per day at WDW, so if my files were 18mb and I had a 16gb card, it would hold 4-1/2 heavy shooting days of pics.

If I lost that card, or it malfunctioned, or my camera was stolen, lost, dropped, bumped, or went for a swim on POTC, then I would have lost 4-1/2 days worth of pics - that more than half of my average trip!

On the other hand, if I went with 4gb cards instead, and swaped them out every day, I could still get a heavy day's worth of pics on each card, but when the camera or card goes POOF! I can never lose more than one day's pics.

Naturally, if you shoot 400 pics per day, I'd advise you to go with 8gb cards, and if you actually do shoot 900 pics per day (some do!) then by all means get the 16gb card. But even then you're going to need a lot more cards, because once you fill up that card, you're going to need more, unless you plan on taking no more pics for the rest of the trip.

I'm just advocating taking the same precautions with your pics as you take with cash - nobody is foolish enough to take $4000 to WDW and carry the whole wad around the parks all day. So why carry all of your vacation pics with you everywhere you go? Those pics are far more valuable than the memory cards they're on, and in fact they are usually more valuable than the camera used to take them - the camera and memory cards can be replaced, but the pics cannot.

815 raw files to be exact..

just as you've stated that you've made this point time and time again..

I still subscribe to the belief that changing cards frequently, increases the chance of a lost or corrupt card,

my cards are copied to 2 portable storage devices every night, since my last trip I've aquired a laptop, and a portable dvd burner, so dvd's will be made every night as well, on my next trip.

I'll be using 1 16 gig card in each camera and have at least 2 16 gig cards as backup

the odds of losing cards that are not in a camera are greater than the odds of losing your camera..and the odds of this[my camera was stolen, lost, dropped, bumped, or went for a swim on POTC,} are extremely rare for those of us who always use a neckstrap,

I'm very careful with my gear and my cards, there will never be more than 1 days worth of pics on any card,

I tend to buy the largest cards available for several reason..

1. if I go crazy on any given day I have the memory to cover it{ often do photo shoots with models, thatlast all day and fill more than 1 16 gig card..

2. if I upgrade to a newer camera{ such as sony's soon to be released A900, 24 MP sensor} with larger file sizes I don't need to run out and buy new cards right away

3.. the belief I previously mentioned, that it's safer to use one large card, than to frequently change cards, during a busy day

4. if the risk were that great, Pros wouldn't be using large cards since their photos are their livelyhood
 
815 raw files to be exact..

just as you've stated that you've made this point time and time again..

I still subscribe to the belief that changing cards frequently, increases the chance of a lost or corrupt card,

my cards are copied to 2 portable storage devices every night, since my last trip I've aquired a laptop, and a portable dvd burner, so dvd's will be made every night as well, on my next trip.

I'll be using 1 16 gig card in each camera and have at least 2 16 gig cards as backup

the odds of losing cards that are not in a camera are greater than the odds of losing your camera..and the odds of this[my camera was stolen, lost, dropped, bumped, or went for a swim on POTC,} are extremely rare for those of us who always use a neckstrap,

I'm very careful with my gear and my cards, there will never be more than 1 days worth of pics on any card,

I tend to buy the largest cards available for several reason..

1. if I go crazy on any given day I have the memory to cover it{ often do photo shoots with models, thatlast all day and fill more than 1 16 gig card..

2. if I upgrade to a newer camera{ such as sony's soon to be released A900, 24 MP sensor} with larger file sizes I don't need to run out and buy new cards right away

3.. the belief I previously mentioned, that it's safer to use one large card, than to frequently change cards, during a busy day

4. if the risk were that great, Pros wouldn't be using large cards since their photos are their livelyhood

You're arguing against my advice, yet you're following my advice - you backup your pics every night to a storage device and/or laptop and/or DVD - as many as two backups per pic.

You're not putting all your eggs in one basket; you're just using different baskets. If one of your 16gb cards goes PHOOEY on you, you will not have lost anything but that days pics, because all the previous days' pics are safely backed up in your hotel room - just as I've always advised.

It may surprise you to learn that I use exactly the same strategy you use - I backup my pics to my laptop and CD or DVD each night and re-use my memory cards. In point of fact, I only have 4 1gb cards, each of which holds about 200-250 pics (I save mine in JPG, not RAW, so the files are much smaller). And I carry 2 spares, in addition to what's in the camera, on a regular basis.

I recommend the many cards approach to most vacationers because most of them don't want to lug a laptop with them on every trip as we do, or invest the money in a backup device. Memory cards are cheap these days; they provide the easiest, cheapest, and smallest-size solution to splitting your pics up and not risking loss.

Nowhere have I ever advocated "frequently changing cards" during the day; in fact, my advice has always been to buy memory cards large enough to handle one days pics during your heaviest shooting day, so you won't have to change cards at all. This reduces the possibility of dropping a card or losing one while changing it.

I am somewhat dubious about your belief that "changing cards frequently, increases the chance of a lost or corrupt card". Certainly, if you change cards a lot you can more easily lose them, but as for corrupting them, I don't believe I've ever heard a whisper about cards getting corrupted from just putting them into or taking them out of a camera once a day.

Besides, the strategy I advocate (one card per day) means that during a week-long trip each card will be inserted into and removed from the camera ONE time only, then stored safely in the hotel safe (preferably in a protective media storage wallet of some kind).

And the reason pros use large cards is not because they're safer, it's due to the same reasons you use large cards - because pros shoot RAW, pros use cameras that make huge files, and pros shoot a LOT of pics on any given day and can't spare the time to change cards in the middle of the action.

Pros also have fewer problems with their cards than mere mortals because they tend to use the highest-quality, most expensive cards out there, such as the Lexar Professional series, or SanDisk Extreme III line.

All of the pros I know also remove their cards from their cameras to copy files off every single time, because they tend to buy high-speed card readers like the Lexar Professional Firewire reader, because such readers can download 16gb of pics way faster than the USB 2.0 interface in the camera itself.

So, in essense, you're saying that my advice is wrong, but you're following it quite closely; you're just using a slightly different technique.
 
You're arguing against my advice, yet you're following my advice - you backup your pics every night to a storage device and/or laptop and/or DVD - as many as two backups per pic.

You're not putting all your eggs in one basket; you're just using different baskets. If one of your 16gb cards goes PHOOEY on you, you will not have lost anything but that days pics, because all the previous days' pics are safely backed up in your hotel room - just as I've always advised.

It may surprise you to learn that I use exactly the same strategy you use - I backup my pics to my laptop and CD or DVD each night and re-use my memory cards. In point of fact, I only have 4 1gb cards, each of which holds about 200-250 pics (I save mine in JPG, not RAW, so the files are much smaller). And I carry 2 spares, in addition to what's in the camera, on a regular basis.

I recommend the many cards approach to most vacationers because most of them don't want to lug a laptop with them on every trip as we do, or invest the money in a backup device. Memory cards are cheap these days; they provide the easiest, cheapest, and smallest-size solution to splitting your pics up and not risking loss.

Nowhere have I ever advocated "frequently changing cards" during the day; in fact, my advice has always been to buy memory cards large enough to handle one days pics during your heaviest shooting day, so you won't have to change cards at all. This reduces the possibility of dropping a card or losing one while changing it.

I am somewhat dubious about your belief that "changing cards frequently, increases the chance of a lost or corrupt card". Certainly, if you change cards a lot you can more easily lose them, but as for corrupting them, I don't believe I've ever heard a whisper about cards getting corrupted from just putting them into or taking them out of a camera once a day.

Besides, the strategy I advocate (one card per day) means that during a week-long trip each card will be inserted into and removed from the camera ONE time only, then stored safely in the hotel safe (preferably in a protective media storage wallet of some kind).

And the reason pros use large cards is not because they're safer, it's due to the same reasons you use large cards - because pros shoot RAW, pros use cameras that make huge files, and pros shoot a LOT of pics on any given day and can't spare the time to change cards in the middle of the action.

Pros also have fewer problems with their cards than mere mortals because they tend to use the highest-quality, most expensive cards out there, such as the Lexar Professional series, or SanDisk Extreme III line.

All of the pros I know also remove their cards from their cameras to copy files off every single time, because they tend to buy high-speed card readers like the Lexar Professional Firewire reader, because such readers can download 16gb of pics way faster than the USB 2.0 interface in the camera itself.

So, in essense, you're saying that my advice is wrong, but you're following it quite closely; you're just using a slightly different technique.

I NEVER said you were wrong,

I'm just saying that your way is not a one size fits all solution,

I never recommended using a large card for multiple days, but rather a large card to avoid swapping cards during the day, to elaborate on this I will give an example that is worse than a corrupt card.

I have personally seen 3 cases where people on vacation changing CFs in a hurry to avoid missing a shot, ended up with a camera that wouldn't work,{gave a card error} they finished vacation without their digital cameras, they then asked if I'd take a look at the camera upon their return to work, in each case the problem was a bent pin in the camera. I very carefully bent the pin back into place and the camera then read the card and functioned properly..{the risk of changing cards on the fly}


as for pros only using lexar and sandisk cards, I don't believe that for a second, and having worked for years in the manufacturing industry, I would not be surprised at all to learn that there are only a handful of companies making all CF cards and slapping different labels on them, just as in the days of vcrs, there were only a few factories making all vcrs and placing different companies logos on them..

so yes we do the same thing in different ways, but until I explained why I prefer large cards, you hadn't mentioned backing up your cards at night, so this discussion has been very helful by giving more detail to people,

so thank you for the friendly discussion, and for taking the time to give the reasons behind your method..

I'm off now to shoot a family reunion, have a great day

:)
 















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