I'm curious - percentage of students with IEP/504/etc

Just a for instance. The three kids that talked about another kid (a known troublemaker) bringing a bomb to school last year aren't behavioral problem kids, yet they almost shut down the whole school for 2 days for them to look for a bomb. A search of the mentioned child's house showed no bomb making materials and they opened the school.

Disruptive? Absolutely, and at least one is a great big smart***. Yet none of the three have an IEP or a 504, I know this because I know their mothers. One kid is in my GS troop. So again, IEP/504 doesn't mean THAT is the kid that's going to cause problems in your child's class.
 
Yeah, I'm curious about a lot of things too, like exactly how much money does my neighbor make to be able to afford to pay $5000 PER KID for summer camp, but it doesn't make it my business.

Concern yourself with your own child and don't worry about mine, tyvm. I think her statement is dripping with "sick of people sticking their noses into my child's business because they think it's their right to know".

As for children with IEP's because it's easy for the parents. Have you ever had to get an IEP? Because it's a real pain in the behind to get. They don't make it "easy" for you to get. It's not a walk in the park or an easy out. Most of us put a LOT of time and effort into getting out children into the right courses. So thinking it's an easy out for the parents is wrong.

Like a child who has allergies that the parent doesn't want broadcast, like a child who is taking some advanced courses, I'll thank you to mind your own business about MY child and THEIR education. I've spent a lot of time, money and effort to get my child as far as she has come, MY OWN time, money and effort, and HER own effort.

Sorry if this is curt, but it really irritates me when people think they have a right to know this stuff. You don't.

Perfectly said :)
 
This thread started out with "curiosity" and some PP are wondering why those of us with kids who have IEP/504 are defensive. Let me tell you some possible reasons.
#1- Maybe we're sick of people being "curious" about our child...my son has been in the hospital dozens of times, and has come home prior to his Mic-Key feeding tube with an NG feeding tube hanging out his nose for 4 months, while being in a wheelchair, 30lbs underweight and as pale as snow, we have had enough curiosity to last a lifetime, thanks.
#2- I want you to think about this question before jumping to answer...why is it any of your business???? Yes, there are probably many more IEPs now than ever before, but isn't that a good thing? Doesn't that mean that kids with special needs are being given an equal opportunity? I know that you can't begrudge a child from getting an equal chance at success, and when it comes down to the brass tax of it, that is what the IEP/504 does.
#3- there is so much assumption that these kids are disruptive. My son is the sweetest least disruptive child you will ever meet. He loves everyone, even those non-IEP jerk kids who think its funny to call names, they are way more disruptive than my boy. I wonder if they are being taught in their home that those darn IEP kids have it so good, and that's why they think it's ok to act that way, hmmmm.....anyway, most modification's will not affect your child's schooling, and some may even enhance their education. Most teachers have told me that the class has become better off having a child with special needs in it, the kids learn that everyone is different, and that everyone gets treated uniquely, not equally. That is a vary valuable lesson in life.
#4- I think some of the problem is people assuming they know what modifications IEPs give, such as handing out A's, and letting kids climb the walls. My son was born with CP, so writing is very difficult for him. His IEP states that he can type his assignments. His muscles in his eyes have become very weak and he can no longer read even simple words without much trouble, so his IEP says that anything that needs to be read is read to him. This can be done by a reading buddy (looky there, an opportunity for YOUR kid to shine) or an aide. He has other modifications, that only help to level the playing field for him. His work is still graded, he gets an F for a missing assignment, and he is expected to participate in class discussions.
#5-It looks like some people are just sure that IEPs are handed out like candy. Well my son is very obviously physically and mentally disabled, and his designation took letters from his Neurologist, Pediatrician, Nuero-physcologist and physical therapist...many of whom had to sign things that read "His condition is not expected to improve" and agreeing that my son is in fact disabled. We did have early intervention, but every IEP meeting we still have to prove that his condition is the same, and that all his previous accommodations are still necessary. I spend whole days working on his IEP, we have quarterly IEP meetings and a big one in the Fall and Spring. Unless the school system just sucks down there, I honestly have to say I can't see a school just giving an IEP.

Overall though, my biggest problem was the "tone" that seemed to say "Ugh, all these kids with these things, and they get all this attention and my normal kid is just wasting away in the back of the class". That just makes me cringe, I really get so irritated at peoples jealousy over my kid getting services that just help him be like any other kid.
 
3rd grade teacher here. This year, I have about 2 students with IEPs or 504s per class.
 

This thread started out with "curiosity" and some PP are wondering why those of us with kids who have IEP/504 are defensive. Let me tell you some possible reasons.
#1- Maybe we're sick of people being "curious" about our child...my son has been in the hospital dozens of times, and has come home prior to his Mic-Key feeding tube with an NG feeding tube hanging out his nose for 4 months, while being in a wheelchair, 30lbs underweight and as pale as snow, we have had enough curiosity to last a lifetime, thanks.
#2- I want you to think about this question before jumping to answer...why is it any of your business???? Yes, there are probably many more IEPs now than ever before, but isn't that a good thing? Doesn't that mean that kids with special needs are being given an equal opportunity? I know that you can't begrudge a child from getting an equal chance at success, and when it comes down to the brass tax of it, that is what the IEP/504 does.
#3- there is so much assumption that these kids are disruptive. My son is the sweetest least disruptive child you will ever meet. He loves everyone, even those non-IEP jerk kids who think its funny to call names, they are way more disruptive than my boy. I wonder if they are being taught in their home that those darn IEP kids have it so good, and that's why they think it's ok to act that way, hmmmm.....anyway, most modification's will not affect your child's schooling, and some may even enhance their education. Most teachers have told me that the class has become better off having a child with special needs in it, the kids learn that everyone is different, and that everyone gets treated uniquely, not equally. That is a vary valuable lesson in life.
#4- I think some of the problem is people assuming they know what modifications IEPs give, such as handing out A's, and letting kids climb the walls. My son was born with CP, so writing is very difficult for him. His IEP states that he can type his assignments. His muscles in his eyes have become very weak and he can no longer read even simple words without much trouble, so his IEP says that anything that needs to be read is read to him. This can be done by a reading buddy (looky there, an opportunity for YOUR kid to shine) or an aide. He has other modifications, that only help to level the playing field for him. His work is still graded, he gets an F for a missing assignment, and he is expected to participate in class discussions.
#5-It looks like some people are just sure that IEPs are handed out like candy. Well my son is very obviously physically and mentally disabled, and his designation took letters from his Neurologist, Pediatrician, Nuero-physcologist and physical therapist...many of whom had to sign things that read "His condition is not expected to improve" and agreeing that my son is in fact disabled. We did have early intervention, but every IEP meeting we still have to prove that his condition is the same, and that all his previous accommodations are still necessary. I spend whole days working on his IEP, we have quarterly IEP meetings and a big one in the Fall and Spring. Unless the school system just sucks down there, I honestly have to say I can't see a school just giving an IEP.

Overall though, my biggest problem was the "tone" that seemed to say "Ugh, all these kids with these things, and they get all this attention and my normal kid is just wasting away in the back of the class". That just makes me cringe, I really get so irritated at peoples jealousy over my kid getting services that just help him be like any other kid.

I don't think your child's (or any child's) IEP details are any of my business, and I don't think your child's IEP status is my business. But what goes on in my child's school is my bvusiness, and what goes on her class that may affect her is my business. I'm sorry you feel it isn't.
 
I don't think your child's (or any child's) IEP details are any of my business, and I don't think your child's IEP status is my business. But what goes on in my child's school is my bvusiness, and what goes on her class that may affect her is my business. I'm sorry you feel it isn't.

It's only your business if it effects the learning of your child. But rather or not that child has an IEP isn't your bussiness only what is happening and what is being done to help. So IEP status makes no difference.
 
Absolutely not. In fact, there are more options, if anything.

For instance, in the school I worked in, if an autistic child were disruptive, they could be taken to the resource room with the bean bags and swings to help calm them down. Children without IEPs could not go there.
Actually, Autism is the exeception, at least when they get to high school. Most students with difiant, opositional behavior are less than receptive to bieng taught "coping skills" like these. In most cases, a child on an IEP for behavior has a very limited scope of consequences that can be imposed for thier behavior, and after so many days of ISS or suspension, can no longer be punished at all for poor behavior. Many try to reach this limit as quickly as possible so they can then do whatever they want without consequences.
 
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It's only your business if it effects the learning of your child. But rather or not that child has an IEP isn't your bussiness only what is happening and what is being done to help. So IEP status makes no difference.
yes it does, becuase when my child has a problem with a child with and IEP, particularly for behavior, there are very limited ways in which that problem can be addressed in many cases. With no knowledge of the other child's status, it often appears to the parent as if the situation is either not being handled or is being handled in a way that is preferential to the other child. I would be pretty upset about that if I did not know what was truly gonig on. So yes, in some cases, another child's IEP status is my business, but only when it directly effects how a situaiton with MY child is resolved.
 
I will never understand the point of view that curiosity, asking questions and learning about topics that are unfamiliar to you are a bad thing. People learn by being curious and asking questions. How do you think we got to the point were IEPs and 504s can be offered? People were curious and asked questions and learned and took action.

"Disruptive" is not limited to a child that is throwing a tantrum in the classroom. I would also classify as disruptive the fact that the teacher has to formulate a half dozen or more different test formats instead of one due to the accomodations that he/she is required to give. The more test formats the teacher has to provide the more ALL OF THEM are going to suffer. That would be "disruptive" too.
 
This thread started out with "curiosity" and some PP are wondering why those of us with kids who have IEP/504 are defensive. Let me tell you some possible reasons.
#1- Maybe we're sick of people being "curious" about our child...my son has been in the hospital dozens of times, and has come home prior to his Mic-Key feeding tube with an NG feeding tube hanging out his nose for 4 months, while being in a wheelchair, 30lbs underweight and as pale as snow, we have had enough curiosity to last a lifetime, thanks.
#2- I want you to think about this question before jumping to answer...why is it any of your business???? Yes, there are probably many more IEPs now than ever before, but isn't that a good thing? Doesn't that mean that kids with special needs are being given an equal opportunity? I know that you can't begrudge a child from getting an equal chance at success, and when it comes down to the brass tax of it, that is what the IEP/504 does.
#3- there is so much assumption that these kids are disruptive. My son is the sweetest least disruptive child you will ever meet. He loves everyone, even those non-IEP jerk kids who think its funny to call names, they are way more disruptive than my boy. I wonder if they are being taught in their home that those darn IEP kids have it so good, and that's why they think it's ok to act that way, hmmmm.....anyway, most modification's will not affect your child's schooling, and some may even enhance their education. Most teachers have told me that the class has become better off having a child with special needs in it, the kids learn that everyone is different, and that everyone gets treated uniquely, not equally. That is a vary valuable lesson in life.
#4- I think some of the problem is people assuming they know what modifications IEPs give, such as handing out A's, and letting kids climb the walls. My son was born with CP, so writing is very difficult for him. His IEP states that he can type his assignments. His muscles in his eyes have become very weak and he can no longer read even simple words without much trouble, so his IEP says that anything that needs to be read is read to him. This can be done by a reading buddy (looky there, an opportunity for YOUR kid to shine) or an aide. He has other modifications, that only help to level the playing field for him. His work is still graded, he gets an F for a missing assignment, and he is expected to participate in class discussions.
#5-It looks like some people are just sure that IEPs are handed out like candy. Well my son is very obviously physically and mentally disabled, and his designation took letters from his Neurologist, Pediatrician, Nuero-physcologist and physical therapist...many of whom had to sign things that read "His condition is not expected to improve" and agreeing that my son is in fact disabled. We did have early intervention, but every IEP meeting we still have to prove that his condition is the same, and that all his previous accommodations are still necessary. I spend whole days working on his IEP, we have quarterly IEP meetings and a big one in the Fall and Spring. Unless the school system just sucks down there, I honestly have to say I can't see a school just giving an IEP.

Overall though, my biggest problem was the "tone" that seemed to say "Ugh, all these kids with these things, and they get all this attention and my normal kid is just wasting away in the back of the class". That just makes me cringe, I really get so irritated at peoples jealousy over my kid getting services that just help him be like any other kid.
the problem here is that you assume that your son's case is typical of most children with an IEP. That is FAR from true in most palces. The number of children who have IEPS for behavior issues is 3-4X the number of children like your son in my school, and in every school I have been in.
In a population of 1600, about 15% of whom are on an IEP we have exatcly 6 who are there for physical impairment like your son. Many of them have congmnative delay of some sort combined with behavior issues, but I would say that half of the around 200 IEPs have a behavior component, and easily 3/4 require accomodations that take significant time from the classroom teacher to complete. I once had a class of 25 students, 15 of which had IEPs for behavior. If my child had been one of the regular ed students in that class you can bet I would have made it my business.
 
the problem here is that you assume that your son's case is typical of most children with an IEP. That is FAR from true in most palces. The number of children who have IEPS for behavior issues is 3-4X the number of children like your son in my school, and in every school I have been in.
In a population of 1600, about 15% of whom are on an IEP we have exatcly 6 who are there for physical impairment like your son. Many of them have congmnative delay of some sort combined with behavior issues, but I would say that half of the around 200 IEPs have a behavior component, and easily 3/4 require accomodations that take significant time from the classroom teacher to complete. I once had a class of 25 students, 15 of which had IEPs for behavior. If my child had been one of the regular ed students in that class you can bet I would have made it my business.

I'm curious how you know the details of all of the IEP in your school?
 
I'm curious how you know the details of all of the IEP in your school?

Unless she is the SpEd director I'd like to know too... I dont think any other teacher unless they have full contact with my dd knows whats in her IEP or what's wrong with her.. Heck I grad with one of the 5th grade teachers and I know she doesn't know (and I have no reason to tell her haven't spoken to her since May of 96) unless she's gone in my dd's file... sounds like you do a lot of reading on your lunch period or something... is that legal?

ETA mine is also a non disruptive kid with an IEP... she's as sweet as candy... everyone at the school adores her. She knows more people than I do. Its crazy the amount of adults and older kids that know her... She is very popular down there. We've had people come up to her at concerts (Collin Raye) over the summer to say hello and they can't wait to see her again in school... She's very excited to go back monday... :)
 
I'm curious how you know the details of all of the IEP in your school?
In high school, kids change classes so we have contact with LOTS more students a year. I teach over 200 kids in a single year ,and I have a copy of the IEP for every child I teach who has one. Plus, the demoragphic breakdowns include the number of sped students as well as their classification (behavior, academic, or physical) so I would have this infromation every year as well. I don't know the specifics of every child's IEP, but I know the breakdon within our school, and have seen many, many IEPs over the years, so I have a pretty reasonable idea of the population present in our school, what their needs are, and what acccodations are required to meet those needs.
 
Actually, Autism is the exeception, at least when they get to high school. Most students with difiant, opositional behavior are less than receptive to bieng taught "coping skills" like these. In most cases, a child on an IEP for behavior has a very limited scope of consequences that can be imposed for thier behavior, and after so many days of ISS or suspension, can no longer be punished at all for poor behavior. Many try to reach this limit as quickly as possible so they can then do whatever they want without consequences.

This is not true.

This is from your state's web site.
https://docs.alsde.edu/documents/65/1-AAC 290-8-9 5-19-2011.pdf

page 75

From the Federal code.

http://idea.ed.gov/explore/view/p/,root,regs,300,E,300%2E530,
 
Unless she is the SpEd director I'd like to know too... I dont think any other teacher unless they have full contact with my dd knows whats in her IEP or what's wrong with her.. Heck I grad with one of the 5th grade teachers and I know she doesn't know (and I have no reason to tell her haven't spoken to her since May of 96) unless she's gone in my dd's file... sounds like you do a lot of reading on your lunch period or something... is that legal?

ETA mine is also a non disruptive kid with an IEP... she's as sweet as candy... everyone at the school adores her. She knows more people than I do. Its crazy the amount of adults and older kids that know her... She is very popular down there. We've had people come up to her at concerts (Collin Raye) over the summer to say hello and they can't wait to see her again in school... She's very excited to go back monday... :)
I don't apperciate the insinuation that I am breaking the law! I only know what is published or what is given to me. I really and floored that someone who doesn't even know me would accuse me of going through confidential files!
 
Yes, it is true. Once a child ahs had 14 days of suspension or ISS a hearing is required. It is an absolute nightmare to get any of this enfroced, and the hearings take months to even begin. By the time you get around through the review process the school year is over so it is pointless anyway.
 
In high school, kids change classes so we have contact with LOTS more students a year. I teach over 200 kids in a single year ,and I have a copy of the IEP for every child I teach who has one. Plus, the demoragphic breakdowns include the number of sped students as well as their classification (behavior, academic, or physical) so I would have this infromation every year as well. I don't know the specifics of every child's IEP, but I know the breakdon within our school, and have seen many, many IEPs over the years, so I have a pretty reasonable idea of the population present in our school, what their needs are, and what acccodations are required to meet those needs.

I'm sorry but unless you're read the IEPs, you have no idea what the accommodations are for each student.
 
Unless she is the SpEd director I'd like to know too... I dont think any other teacher unless they have full contact with my dd knows whats in her IEP or what's wrong with her.. Heck I grad with one of the 5th grade teachers and I know she doesn't know (and I have no reason to tell her haven't spoken to her since May of 96) unless she's gone in my dd's file... sounds like you do a lot of reading on your lunch period or something... is that legal?

Your kids must go to a very large school. In smaller schools, it isn't some hush hush secret who has IEP's. And no, you don't need to read school files to know. :rolleyes:
 
Yes, it is true. Once a child ahs had 14 days of suspension or ISS a hearing is required. It is an absolute nightmare to get any of this enfroced, and the hearings take months to even begin. By the time you get around through the review process the school year is over so it is pointless anyway.

Manifestation determination.

(1) Within 10 school days of any decision to change the placement of a child with a disability because of a violation of a code of student conduct, the LEA, the parent, and relevant members of the child's IEP Team (as determined by the parent and the LEA) must review all relevant information in the student's file, including the child's IEP, any teacher observations, and any relevant information provided by the parents to determine--
 
I'm sorry but unless you're read the IEPs, you have no idea what the accommodations are for each student.
I didn't say I did. I said I had a good idea about what KINDS of accomdations are being provided within the school and I do. I know what strategies are typically used to address various problems because I a have seen them over and over on IEPS. Yes, some students will absoultely vary form this.
 














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