I'm curious about AP vs. IB

DS was much like the OP's son. In middle school he knew he wanted to be an orthopedic surgeon. He had his entire middle and high school plan in place by 7th grade. He knew what classes he needed to take in middle school so he could take the upper level classes in high school.

He is now a senior in college and has not wavered from that middle school plan. However, knowing how difficult it is to get into med school, he does have a back up plan in place. He is studying Biological and Chemical engineering with a chemE minor and the premed option. So, if he doesn't get into med school right away, he will pursue his second love, to be a biochemist. (thank you, thank you to our pediatrician who not only is a good family friend but has been an incredible mentor to him and pushed the need to study something he loved rather than putting all his marbles in the med school jar.)

We also struggled with the IB/AP decision. We have an outstanding IB program in our district as well as an excellent selection of AP courses.

He was set to do the IB program, which he really had his heart set on, however, he ultimately chose the AP path. And he has never regretted his decision.

As others have said, many of the more prestigious universities won't give much credit for AP nor IB classes. However, having them on your transcript is what gets you into those universities, so you have to take the classes if you want to be considered for admittance.

Here was the reasoning for choosing AP over IB:

AP credits are more accepted than IB credits, and it is becoming more and more that way. Really do your research on IB when your son is ready, as the gloss from the IB program may be losing its luster. There was a recent article that many colleges are putting the brakes on or limiting IB credits.

DS wanted to do extracurricular activities. He swam for his high school and while not impossible, it would have been difficult to do anything outside of the IB program. When we went to the IB open house, only one student had managed to play a sport or do anything other than study.

Which brings up the deciding factor for us. We were out to dinner with a good friend and counselor for a major university. She told us that of all incoming freshman, one of the groups they worry about the most are the incoming IB students. Many (not all) are either so burned out from four years of intense studying that they take a mental health year and basically blow off academics or they are so overwhelmed with the extra time they have on their hands (less studying time than an IB program) that they go crazy socially with lots and lots of partying, basically trying to cram the missed high school experience into their first year of college. Her view of incoming IB students was confirmed by several other counselors we consulted as we wanted to verify her thoughts. While he still wanted to do IB, knowing our son, we convinced him that having the entire high school experience was more important than the single mindedness of academics of the IB program. It was what was best for our son and as I have mentioned, we have never regretted the decision.

Both IB and AP are wonderful programs and there are benefits from both far beyond just getting credit in college for the classes. Choosing really depends on what works for your son, how he studies and what he wants from his high school experience.
 
The article seemed to say that UVA gives more credit for IB, but I know that other schools give more.

:confused3 Actually the article said the opposite...that students received more credit for AP classes at UVA...and there was a link to other articles discussing other schools.

As others have said, even if you don't get the college credits, it's important for college admissions to take the "most rigorous" program offered at your high school. So if AP/IB are offered, the student should enroll in those to be considered competitive for admission to top schools (if that is what the aim is).
 
Here was the reasoning for choosing AP over IB:

AP credits are more accepted than IB credits, and it is becoming more and more that way. Really do your research on IB when your son is ready, as the gloss from the IB program may be losing its luster. There was a recent article that many colleges are putting the brakes on or limiting IB credits.

DS wanted to do extracurricular activities. He swam for his high school and while not impossible, it would have been difficult to do anything outside of the IB program. When we went to the IB open house, only one student had managed to play a sport or do anything other than study.

Which brings up the deciding factor for us. We were out to dinner with a good friend and counselor for a major university. She told us that of all incoming freshman, one of the groups they worry about the most are the incoming IB students. Many (not all) are either so burned out from four years of intense studying...
We struggled over the issue with our first child. All of her friends went "IB" so she opted for it too. However, she dropped out of the program after her Junior year and opted for mostly AP classes after that. The reason was three-fold: 1) In talking to all of our friends whose kids had already gone through the IB program, they all said that it did nothing as far as any recognition from prospective colleges. Effectively, it just got them a medal to wear around their neck at commencement and an extra gold seal on their HS diploma. 2) The workload was killing our daughter. Granted, she didn't have the best work ethic in HS, but she was routinely staying up until 2 AM trying to finish off assignments for the next day. Her teachers were e-mailing us worried about her mental health because she acted totally miserable in school. 3) The curriculum was too dictated and restrictive. Our daughter is now a Chemical Engineering major in college, and she wanted to take both Physics and Chemistry her Senior year in HS, but per the IB track she didn't have room for both and would have had to choose one or the other. By giving up on the IB diploma, she was able to take both the classes she wanted.

After weighing all of this we (ironically) urged her to drop out of the IB program. She was resistant to the idea at first, but finally agreed (however, she did still continue to take a couple of IB classes). Her Senior year was probably her happiest in HS. It worked out great. As a ending to this saga, when she went to college we took her to the Registrar's office to see about the process of applying for placement credit on the results of her AP and IB exams (the couple IB classes that she still took). The Registrar's office worker that we talked to had never heard of the IB program, and when she asked the office head about the acceptance of IB exam results for credit, she said that they only accepted AP exam scores.

This isn't to say that IB is "bad" or that kids can't/don't get things out of it (I've often heard that it really helps kids prepare their study skills for college), but for our daughter it was all "risk" and little "reward". I'm proud to say that our daughter finished her 1st year at a tough engineering school with a 3.98 GPA.
 
DS wanted to do extracurricular activities. He swam for his high school and while not impossible, it would have been difficult to do anything outside of the IB program. When we went to the IB open house, only one student had managed to play a sport or do anything other than study.

Which brings up the deciding factor for us. We were out to dinner with a good friend and counselor for a major university. She told us that of all incoming freshman, one of the groups they worry about the most are the incoming IB students. Many (not all) are either so burned out from four years of intense studying that they take a mental health year and basically blow off academics or they are so overwhelmed with the extra time they have on their hands (less studying time than an IB program) that they go crazy socially with lots and lots of partying, basically trying to cram the missed high school experience into their first year of college. Her view of incoming IB students was confirmed by several other counselors we consulted as we wanted to verify her thoughts. While he still wanted to do IB, knowing our son, we convinced him that having the entire high school experience was more important than the single mindedness of academics of the IB program. It was what was best for our son and as I have mentioned, we have never regretted the decision.
This statement right here is exactly what we saw happen to friends' kids who took the IB path. We only know 3 families who chose it, 2 of the 3 did not go on to college (one family had 2 kids in it and neither one went on), they were burnt out. The 3rd family, the child did go to our local University, discovered girls and alcohol and flunked out the first year. I know lots of Freshman discover the opposite sex and alcohol that first year and being part of the IB program does not necessarily make them more susceptible but I do believe that they spend 4 years buried under school work and are not prepared for the non-academic challenges of college life.

Let me add, in our district the IB is a "program" and is only available at one high school, where the AP is available in different capacities at all the high schools. I am not a fan of the AP program that our district offers, it is really not all that good and varies from school to school. The polices also vary from school to school and the "pass" rates on the AP tests are dismal. At DS's former high school the pass rate of a 3 or better was less than 10%, district wide is less than 20%. I personally think the AP program in our district (not all districts) but in ours is a waste of time and $$.

My DD is in a local high achieving charter school and has begun to look at the IB program as a way to maintain the rigorous academics her current school offers but with the added bonus of sports, proms, dances, large student body etc. that her charter school, due to its size does not offer on the high school level. We will probably discourage the IB and lean towards a variance to a high school that has a better AP program than our local one, she does not play athletics so a variance is very doable. We have 3 more years til we get there, a lot can change.......

I personally believe that high school should not be all about academics, there needs to be a good balance of social interaction and activities as well.
 

:confused3 Actually the article said the opposite...that students received more credit for AP classes at UVA...and there was a link to other articles discussing other schools.

As others have said, even if you don't get the college credits, it's important for college admissions to take the "most rigorous" program offered at your high school. So if AP/IB are offered, the student should enroll in those to be considered competitive for admission to top schools (if that is what the aim is).

Sorry, that was a typo. I meant that UVA offered less. When I looked at my state's "flagship" university, it was clear that they offer much more equity between IB an AP than UVA.
 


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