Iger visits potterland rumour

[nytimez]

I was around then. Lets see, Major blockbusters then were Batman and IJ 3 at about twice the LM. LM was ranked #13 for the year. My "bit of a flop" statement might have been a little harsh but again not a block buster movie.
Now while I was around during this time period, I can't really remember things before this so I can't speak to it being a turnaround for Disney's Animation department.
What were the pre Eisner movies that Disney failed on?

Again, you don't get to define "blockbuster." These are the standards in place -- and in the 80s/90s, $100 million was a "blockbuster."

Saying it's not because it didn't make the same money as Batman is just a silly argument.

And arguing that these films weren't major hits is like arguing there's no moon. You just don't have a case.

 

[Disco]

^^^

What did Tangled and PATF make.

Also wasn't 100 million a bigger deal back then.

Yeah, 100 mil was a lot bigger then. I'm guessing about 2/1 for inflation.
I would say after looking through all the numbers though that tangled did a little better than TLM after factoring in for inflation over the years. Tang did almost 570 mil (Domestically and Foreign) compared to 210 for LM.
The problem with Tangled of course was that something went wrong with it and they had to completely remake it so it cost way more than it should have to make. It is also CG so I don't know if you want to consider it in the same category.
PATF didn't do real good but I was just saying it was a decent movie.

 

[Disco]

Again, you don't get to define "blockbuster." These are the standards in place -- and in the 80s/90s, $100 million was a "blockbuster."

Saying it's not because it didn't make the same money as Batman is just a silly argument.

And arguing that these films weren't major hits is like arguing there's no moon. You just don't have a case.

Considering there were 10 movies in front of it for the year I wouldn't consider it a blockbuster for the time. Blockbusters for the time I would say were doing 300-500 million.

 

[Disco]

By the by, B&TB won an oscar for it's music and was nominated for Best Picture of the Year, not Best Animated but Best Picture (the Best Animated Film category was then instituted BECAUSE of B&TB).

Yeah, I must admit B&tB did better than I remember after looking at the numbers. Over 370 mil and number 3 for the year.
Did much better on the foreign market vs the domestic.

 

[nytimez]

Considering there were 10 movies in front of it for the year I wouldn't consider it a blockbuster for the time. Blockbusters for the time I would say were doing 300-500 million.

I repeat: Highest grossing animated film in all history until that time.

Doesn't matter what you "consider" to be a blockbuster. It was a blockbuster, period – a smash, a hit, a major success, etc.

 

[Disco]

I repeat: Highest grossing animated film in all history until that time.

Doesn't matter what you "consider" to be a blockbuster. It was a blockbuster, period – a smash, a hit, a major success, etc.

I get what you are saying but,
Chicken Run was the highest grossing stop motion animation ever and a blockbuster it was not. I'm sure there are records being broken in genre's from time to time but it has nothing to do with the film being a blockbuster. What was the highest grossing Sci Fi film before Star Wars? Was it a blockbuster? I don't know, maybe.
Besides what you are saying is not completely accurate in the overall “big picture”. SW&tSD is the all time highest grossing animated film in history after you adjust it. It is number 10 out of the highest grossing films of all time.
Just because Disney had a crappy stint for a number of years doesn't make the next acceptable movie they made (at the end of the stint) an automatic blockbuster.

 

[nytimez]

I get what you are saying but,
Chicken Run was the highest grossing stop motion animation ever and a blockbuster it was not. I'm sure there are records being broken in genre's from time to time but it has nothing to do with the film being a blockbuster. What was the highest grossing Sci Fi film before Star Wars? Was it a blockbuster? I don't know, maybe.
Besides what you are saying is not completely accurate in the overall “big picture”. SW&tSD is the all time highest grossing animated film in history after you adjust it. It is number 10 out of the highest grossing films of all time.
Just because Disney had a crappy stint for a number of years doesn't make the next acceptable movie they made (at the end of the stint) an automatic blockbuster.

OK, I give up -- you win. The Little Mermaid was not a hit. I don't know what else to tell you here -- you're wrong on so many levels, and it's exhausting trying to correct you.

 

[Disco]

OK, I give up -- you win. The Little Mermaid was not a hit. I don't know what else to tell you here -- you're wrong on so many levels, and it's exhausting trying to correct you.

I wouldn't say LM wasn't a hit, I would just call it a decent performer (did about as well as the new Tron did and many people on this board called that a bomb). All the numbers definitely say it was not a blockbuster.
However, I'll admit your right if everyone agrees that Tangled was a blockbuster. After all Tangled did outperform LM even adjusted. I also now admit Tangled didn't do quite as well as B&tB.
Again Tangled was CG so maybe it had an unfair advantage...

 

[nytimez]

You seem to think "blockbuster" is a matter of opinion. It's not. In the film industry, for the 80s and most of the 90s, a "blockbuster" was a film that grossed $100 million. By the end of the 90s/early 2000s, the threshold was $200 million. Today, it's gotten less relevant because many films cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make and DVD, blu-ray, streaming rights, cable fees, etc. add much more to the pie than they did years ago.

With more than $200 million globally in 1989 (and more thsn $100 million domestically), The Little Mermaid was, by definition, a blockbuster. Period -- and it's got nothing to do with Tangled, Tron or Chicken Run.

 

[Disco]

You seem to think "blockbuster" is a matter of opinion. It's not. In the film industry, for the 80s and most of the 90s, a "blockbuster" was a film that grossed $100 million. By the end of the 90s/early 2000s, the threshold was $200 million. Today, it's gotten less relevant because many films cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make and DVD, blu-ray, streaming rights, cable fees, etc. add much more to the pie than they did years ago.

With more than $200 million globally in 1989 (and more thsn $100 million domestically), The Little Mermaid was, by definition, a blockbuster. Period -- and it's got nothing to do with Tangled, Tron or Chicken Run.

Well I couldn't find that official definition of blockbuster anywhere but I'm sure your's is correct. I guess I give in now and admit that TLM was a blockbuster almost as big as Ghostbusters 2 or Honey I Shrunk the Kids. I guess we missed Mulan on that blockbuster list too.

 

[Disco]

Blah,
Now you've made me waste a bunch of time researching the definition of blockbuster.
I guess it originally came in to use as a term of being so popular you ruin all the other competitors. I was thinking more of breaking the mold type of reference.
Later definitions seem to indicate the pushing or breaking of the genre experience (at least that fits in more with my thought of breaking the mold). Jaws was considered the most clear cut case of a "modern" blockbuster (an early example would be Gone With the Wind).
Also Wiki seems to think a more proper definition of a modern blockbuster is a high budget production that can make or break the production firm. It gives high budget examples like Godzilla which kind of bombed in the box office yet was still considered a blockbuster due to the cost to make. I don’t like that one though as what we’re really pushing is if the film did good or not.
Low budget films that do better than expected seem to be more properly termed as a sleeper. Hits are just movies that do well.

 

[skiingfast]

By the way, I heard Iger went to IOA.

 

[Disco]

By the way, I heard Iger went to IOA.

What the heck does that have to do with Chicken Run?!