Iger visits potterland rumour

[Peter Pirate 2]

Same thing back, yes and no. Is Disney what it once was? No, but change is inevitable especially in the business/amusement park. A lot of people have this glowing in their eyes that Walt was hands down the most generous customer oriented and fair guy in the world, but it is not exactly true. Walt had a vision of what WDW could be and worked hard for it....but a lot of people were very upset about how he orchestrated the land purchases, the business practices, etc. He was very business savvy and not everything would be fantasy and pixie dust. We don't know what WDW would be like with Walt around, it is all speculation.

Universal hit a home run, it is too early to tell if it will be a grandslam, it needs time to tell that. But, either way as you stated, Disney is King and will remain that way mostly because they have the infrastructure in Orlando that no one else has. I am still reserved in seeing what Universal does next, they need to continue on the WWoHP success, but I am a bit afraid that there will be some reluctance to invest heavily in it. With Blackstone looking to leave the park, it could further distract from continued impovements. My feeling is that Disney is betting the same thing, this is a home run, but in the long run it will be a blip on the radar.




I don't think it holds anything more than the normal CM/Bus driver rumor....but more likely it is a Universal CM/Boat Captain rumor...LOL

I just don't see Iger or anyone else caring about what Universal has done and trying to compete with it.

I'm not one of those Walt worshiper's you describe. I think he was a genius and his imagination gave us the Disney entertainment we came to know and love. I think he wasn't really a very nice guy nor do I think his genius extended to all areas (he needed his brother to keep reign him in).

I think it's clear that the WWoHP will have lasting impact for years and years to come all depending upon what Universal chooses to do, though. So we'll agree to disagree on that.

We agree on what we think Disney's response to WWoHP will be but you tend to agree that it's a safe move I gather, I think it's a risky move (to do little in response) and it keeps the ball in Universal's court, IMO.

Im not sure if Iger is well rounded enough to care about a theme park ride, which is scary to me. I hope he's seen the light and will try to be more proactive and not just for monetary reasons.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

You didn't ask me, but I can. He's a slug. He's a one trick pony. He's a business man who knows business by the numbers. He's not imaginative nor is he a risk taker or a dreamer. He's strictly a pencil pusher and not the kind of guy who should be running a specialized business like Disney.

tell me how you really feel

Hey, Eisner did at least come from television and motion pictures...that was no accident...Roy and Sid Bass chose well.

Eisner is quoted in at least one book (i believe Disney War) of his disdain of Iger and how he was a cheap suit in at least one of his later year legendary rants...probably by a source who was in close proximity to said rant...so Iger wasn't "the man", but rather the last remaining domino before Eisner was forced out.

Eisner's real hand picked successor was...well...Eisner. But the nephew (with collusion from Comcast and undoubtedly many other big players that never hit the press) got him in the end.

You have to think that Stevie Jobs and the new brain trust are angling to get Lasseter or somebody perhaps with his kinda brain and more financial knowledge and business accumen in Bigshot Bobby's job sooner rather than later...

But time is probably gonna run out on that (i'm guessing) plan and the "I" guy might just find himself as an entrenched control freak whose "freshness" date has long since expired...like a black and tan from 2001.

just guessing

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I'm not one of those Walt worshiper's you describe. I think he was a genius and his imagination gave us the Disney entertainment we came to know and love. I think he wasn't really a very nice guy nor do I think his genius extended to all areas (he needed his brother to keep reign him in).

Agree...other than the Disney press department...all accounts of Walter E tend to concurr with your opinion. He staked his own financial future, as well as Roy's, on the line countless times to pursue his ideas. They worked out...but it was an incredible risk that he basically gambled his entire family on. The biography of Roy as well as those of Walt indicate that Roy went along with him because he was his little brother and he twisted everything to protect him...as only a big brother or mother would do. Anybody else would have taken the money from snow white and run
Walt is depicted as kinda a jerk. Somebody who worked his employees into the ground and became a little bitter as his health declined...but did nothing to stop the decline. But he was charitable, good hearted, and in the end appreciative of the work. That's how it has been portrayed.

I think it's clear that the WWoHP will have lasting impact for years and years to come all depending upon what Universal chooses to do, though. So we'll agree to disagree on that.

Disagree...been down this road, no need to repeat

We agree on what we think Disney's response to WWoHP will be but you tend to agree that it's a safe move I gather, I think it's a risky move (to do little in response) and it keeps the ball in Universal's court, IMO.

Huh? lost hear but very interested in what the "agreement" is on.

Im not sure if Iger is well rounded enough to care about a theme park ride, which is scary to me. I hope he's seen the light and will try to be more proactive and not just for monetary reasons.

Iger's a suit...and a television suit who's only rule is that you have to be a dog to the advertising dollar. (As evidenced by "The NBA on ABC") Not good for a brand that has pushed its quality as its main characteristic since steamboat willy. Not good A Tall...

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

tell me how you really feel

Hey, Eisner did at least come from television and motion pictures...that was no accident...Roy and Sid Bass chose well.

Eisner is quoted in at least one book (i believe Disney War) of his disdain of Iger and how he was a cheap suit in at least one of his later year legendary rants...probably by a source who was in close proximity to said rant...so Iger wasn't "the man", but rather the last remaining domino before Eisner was forced out.

Eisner's real hand picked successor was...well...Eisner. But the nephew (with collusion from Comcast and undoubtedly many other big players that never hit the press) got him in the end.

You have to think that Stevie Jobs and the new brain trust are angling to get Lasseter or somebody perhaps with his kinda brain and more financial knowledge and business accumen in Bigshot Bobby's job sooner rather than later...

But time is probably gonna run out on that (i'm guessing) plan and the "I" guy might just find himself as an entrenched control freak whose "freshness" date has long since expired...like a black and tan from 2001.

just guessing

Sorry. It's really hard for me to express myself emotionally sometimes.

I would hope a guy like Lassiter could be in line for the job. We know he has the imagination gene and I suspect who couldn't have gotten this far in this time without some biz accumen. One can hope.

 

[Figment632]

Could you elaborate on your anomosity towards Bob?

Iger has done absolutely nothing great or memorable since he has taken over.

Eisner did stupid things towards the end but everyone forgets the good he did.

Under his watch

EPCO
DHS
DAK
DTD

Lets see
Films

TLM
Aladdin
The Lion King
Beauty and the Beast

Name one great Disney animated film under Iger and I said Disney not Pixar.

What has Iger done that us so great?? He also let Harry Pitter slip through his fingers.

 

[ASteelersMidget]

Bob Iger? Who's Bob Iger? I thought Bob Ogre was the CEO of Disney!


(Sorry. Couldn't resist)

 

[dismichael]

I doubt it too, but could it have to do with a possible acquisition of Universal- since the controlling shares are up for sale.....

 

[Dznefreek]

Not surprising since Eisner did visit IOA shortly after opening . . . .

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Iger has done absolutely nothing great or memorable since he has taken over.

Eisner did stupid things towards the end but everyone forgets the good he did.

Under his watch

EPCO
DHS
DAK
DTD

Lets see
Films

TLM
Aladdin
The Lion King
Beauty and the Beast

Name one great Disney animated film under Iger and I said Disney not Pixar.

What has Iger done that us so great?? He also let Harry Pitter slip through his fingers.

Iger has only greenlighted the shanghai disneyland so far....which was pre-planned and matters NOT AT ALL to 95% of disney park patrons...

But remember that EPCOT was long before Eisner...and EPCOT is the end of the walt disney era...as they leveraged about everything and spent a ridiculous gob of money in 1978-1982 dollars to make the park a reality...but they did it right and didn't cut corners. Truly the end of an era

Of course it was one of the direct reasons that disney was about to be raided and broken up in 1984 that put together the coalition that brought eisner in to run the show...so no good deed goes unpunished

 

[Figment632]

Iger has only greenlighted the shanghai disneyland so far....which was pre-planned and matters NOT AT ALL to 95% of disney park patrons...

But remember that EPCOT was long before Eisner...and EPCOT is the end of the walt disney era...as they leveraged about everything and spent a ridiculous gob of money in 1978-1982 dollars to make the park a reality...but they did it right and didn't cut corners. Truly the end of an era

Of course it was one of the direct reasons that disney was about to be raided and broken up in 1984 that put together the coalition that brought eisner in to run the show...so no good deed goes unpunished

Eisner still had to green light EC!

Like I said Eisner did some stupid stuff but Iger has done nothing.

Also the only reason Splash Mountain happened was Eisner.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Eisner still had to green light EC!

Like I said Eisner did some stupid stuff but Iger has done nothing.

Also the only reason Splash Mountain happened was Eisner.

EPCOT opened in October 1982...Eisner was at Paramont making Flashdance about that time...

you a youngin', ain't ya?

 

[Figment632]

EPCOT opened in October 1982...Eisner was at Paramont making Flashdance about that time...

you a youngin', ain't ya?

Yup you are right to messed that one up just subtract EC from what I said. I just turned 25.

Anyways Eisner still blows Iger out of the water.

 

[Disco]

Iger has done absolutely nothing great or memorable since he has taken over.

Eisner did stupid things towards the end but everyone forgets the good he did.

Lets see
Films

TLM
Aladdin
The Lion King
Beauty and the Beast

Name one great Disney animated film under Iger and I said Disney not Pixar.

While many people consider those 4 movies classics now only two of them were really big hits (and one was a bit of a flop). You also have to consider how many bad movies he put out in the same time frame (a lot).
IMO I would say "Tangled" was superior to most of them anyway. I'm just not positive if "Tangled" was non Pixar though?
The Princess and the Frog was good too, mostly on the quality side, but I wouldn't say it was better than the majority on your list. I'd give it a "good try" though.
Also, considering the biggest hit on your list (Lion King) was plagiarized from a Japanese firm I would omit it completely.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

While many people consider those 4 movies classics now only two of them were really big hits (and one was a bit of a flop). You also have to consider how many bad movies he put out in the same time frame (a lot).
IMO I would say "Tangled" was superior to most of them anyway. I'm just not positive if "Tangled" was non Pixar though?
The Princess and the Frog was good too, mostly on the quality side, but I wouldn't say it was better than the majority on your list. I'd give it a "good try" though.
Also, considering the biggest hit on your list (Lion King) was plagiarized from a Japanese firm I would omit it completely.

Tangled and Frog don't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with $#@%& and @$%#^ and &$#%# ... See, I can't even put them in the same sentence.

 

[nytimez]

While many people consider those 4 movies classics now only two of them were really big hits (and one was a bit of a flop). You also have to consider how many bad movies he put out in the same time frame (a lot).
IMO I would say "Tangled" was superior to most of them anyway. I'm just not positive if "Tangled" was non Pixar though?
The Princess and the Frog was good too, mostly on the quality side, but I wouldn't say it was better than the majority on your list. I'd give it a "good try" though.
Also, considering the biggest hit on your list (Lion King) was plagiarized from a Japanese firm I would omit it completely.

It's not not an opinion list. It's beyond dispute that Eisner's leadership reversed a badly failing animation department. And all four of those movies were major hits (none were flops) and have continued to generate significant income for the company, regardless of how you feel about the quality, regardless of how they compare in your opinion to Princess and the Frog and regardless of the very legitimate argument that The Lion King was plagiarized.

Few film companies of any kind have had a run like the one Disney enjoyed in that era.

 

[Disco]

It's not not an opinion list. It's beyond dispute that Eisner's leadership reversed a badly failing animation department. And all four of those movies were major hits (none were flops) and have continued to generate significant income for the company, regardless of how you feel about the quality, regardless of how they compare in your opinion to Princess and the Frog and regardless of the very legitimate argument that The Lion King was plagiarized.

Few film companies of any kind have had a run like the one Disney enjoyed in that era.

LOL,
TLM was by no means a major hit and it barely did 100mil in the theaters. B&tB did alright but it was in no way a major hit either. I even remember when it came out people were so-so about it. But over a decade later it's considered a classic.

 

[nytimez]

LOL,
TLM was by no means a major hit and it barely did 100mil in the theaters. B&tB did alright but it was in no way a major hit either. I even remember when it came out people were so-so about it. But over a decade later it's considered a classic.

You're way off base. When TLM came out, a $100 million movie was considered a blockbuster. I believe when it came out it was the highest-grossing animated film of all time.

And Beauty and the Beast was one of the top movies of the year, critically and financially.

I take it you're another young'n? If you were around then, you'd know all this.

 

[Disco]

You're way off base. When TLM came out, a $100 million movie was considered a blockbuster. I believe when it came out it was the highest-grossing animated film of all time.

And Beauty and the Beast was one of the top movies of the year, critically and financially.

I take it you're another young'n? If you were around then, you'd know all this.

I was around then. Lets see, Major blockbusters then were Batman and IJ 3 at about twice the LM. LM was ranked #13 for the year. My "bit of a flop" statement might have been a little harsh but again not a block buster movie.
Now while I was around during this time period, I can't really remember things before this so I can't speak to it being a turnaround for Disney's Animation department.
What were the pre Eisner movies that Disney failed on?

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

By the by, B&TB won an oscar for it's music and was nominated for Best Picture of the Year, not Best Animated but Best Picture (the Best Animated Film category was then instituted BECAUSE of B&TB).

 

[Figment632]

^^^

What did Tangled and PATF make.

Also wasn't 100 million a bigger deal back then.