Iger Media Conference--should we be concerned?

GrimGhost

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http://corporate.disney.go.com/investors/presentations/060227_transcript.pdf

I read this (Page 15) and I am wondering, am I being to paranoid in thinking that this is a realistic possibility?

Unidentified audience member:
The investment desired rate of return today is roughly twice the multiple that your stock is trading at. I'm thinking of things like the ownership of the hotels, the ownership of 50,000 acres of land sitting in the middle of the state where you have created the value. Has any consideration been given to restructuring the ownership of the real estate without in any way affecting the operation of the business?


Bob Iger - President and CEO, The Walt Disney Company
The answer is yes. We do have thousands of acres of undeveloped land in Florida. We have actually divested some. Some of it or a fair amount of it is not capable of being developed because of environmental issues. We also look to protect the experience and the control of the land around our parks which I guess you can do in part of the deal terms you might enter into if you were to divest some of it, but I don't think the opportunities are as great. Selling the hotels we've also looked at. Again there are operational issues associated with that. The experience we create in the hotels, the way we are now integrating the operation of the hotels into the operation of the theme parks themselves has increased over time. Tom, maybe you want to address it further as you have looked more carefully at some of these deals than I have, so please stand up and be heard unless you feel I've covered it.

Tom Staggs – Sr. Executive Vice President and CFO, The Walt Disney Company I think one major thing is that to take the hotels and put them under separate ownership is not impossible. It involves some friction in terms of the operation of those hotels. It also would involve some friction in terms of tax, because the accessible basis on those hotels is lower than you might imagine. So again I think you said it quite well. We would never say never. To the extent that we can find a structure that we really think delivers long-term value to shareholders, we are quite open-minded. We have as yet to see the “Holy Grail” in that regard and it’s something that we need to look at on a pretty regular basis as cap rates are extremely low for that kind of asset right now.



I see the mention of "Friction" and "The experience we create in the hotels" and "the way we are now integrating the operation of the hotels into the operation of the theme parks themselves has increased over time". However, I am wondering what some others read into this.
 
Actually, That sounds a lot better then what Eisner and Strategic planning were thinking. The fact that Iger basically said. It's not worth it is a vast improvment.
 
Marriott International faced similar financial pressure around 15 years ago. Wall Street felt that Marriott had too much capital tied up in real estate, and thus the return on investment was too low. In 1993, Marriott International split into two different companies — Host Marriott Corporation to own the lodging real estate assets (and to operate airport concessions) and Marriott International, Inc., to operate the lodging business.

Keep in mind that freeing up capital is not a bad thing. Here on this board, we'd like like to see Disney invest in great movies, new cruise ships, new attractions, and other improvements to Disney's entertainment and guest offerings. That takes capital.

Losing control (and losing quality) is a bad thing. There's nothing in Bob Iger's and Tom Stagg's answers that leads be to believe that Disney wants to give up control of the things that define the guest experience.

I'm sure that the Disney Company under Eisner studied all sorts of ways to improve return on investment. At WDW, they sold off the Little Lake Bryan area, Crossroads Center, and Celebration. But they kept the Disney resorts. Presumably, it made more business sense to keep the resorts under Disney ownership, and it still does today — regardless of what an unidentified audience member asked at a conference.

Iger and Staggs gave the right answers. Staggs said, "We would never say never." A corporation should keep all options open.
 
Thanks YoHo & Horace, it makes sense, I sort of took it the same way, I just wanted my opinion validated I guess.
 

Horace Horsecollar said:
Keep in mind that freeing up capital is not a bad thing. Here on this board, we'd like like to see Disney invest in great movies, new cruise ships, new attractions, and other improvements to Disney's entertainment and guest offerings. That takes capital.
Horace, maybe you can help me get my arms around this.
I know we are talking about the hotel resorts here, but the same could be said about the ships, parks, and so on...

What good is it to build/buy new cruise ships if they are just going to sell them?
Wouldn't it just be easier to brand and control someone elses ship right from the start?

Maybe Disney makes money selling something that's already branded and proven?

-- Just curious :smokin:

MG
 
Maistre Gracey said:
Horace, maybe you can help me get my arms around this.
I know we are talking about the hotel resorts here, but the same could be said about the ships, parks, and so on...

What good is it to build/buy new cruise ships if they are just going to sell them?
Wouldn't it just be easier to brand and control someone elses ship right from the start?

Maybe Disney makes money selling something that's already branded and proven?
Owning something, operating something, and controlling something are three different things.

Some companies are in the business of investing capital in long-term assets. Other companies try to maximize return on investment by minimizing their capital outlays.

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned Marriott. Your friendly, local Marriott hotel could be owned by a real estate partnership, and operated by a hotel management company under the terms and conditions specified by a Marriott franchise agreement. Ideally, all three companies make money.

Airlines don't have to own their aircraft. In fact, a few years ago, The Walt Disney Company thought they could make money owning aircraft, but Disney ended up taking a $114 million loss on aircraft leases to United Airlines.

Walt Disney knew that Disneyland needed a hotel, but he couldn't afford to build one. So Walt turned to Jack Wrather, who paid for the use of the Disneyland name. The Walt Disney Company didn't own the Disneyland Hotel until the Eisner era.

If Disney doesn't want to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in an expansion of the DCL fleet, Disney could presumably find someone else of invest the capital, and then lease the ship from that company. The lease cost would be part of the expense structure of DCL. If the revenue exceeds the expense, the result is a profit (which is a legitimate goal). I'm sure Disney has looked into this, but, I assume the numbers didn't work out.

DancingBear said:
The Company doesn't own the Tokyo parks or the Paris parks.
Tokyo Disneyland Resort is 100% owned by Oriental Land Co., Ltd. of Japan.

Disneyland Paris Resort is owned by Euro Disney SCA, which is 39 percent owned by The Walt Disney Company. So the US-based Disney Company has a significant ownership stake in Disneyland Paris.
 


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