If they bring back the draft

[ducklite]

put magnetic yellow ribbons on the back of their car

And unfortunately all too often their car is a huge gas guzzling hulk of a vehicle with more status and space than they actually need.

Anne (Who for the record has three cars in her household that average 51mpg, 36 mpg, and 26 mpg.)

 

[ducklite]

Hope your leaving soon!!!!! Why wait for the draft. It's a shame everyone wants freedom, but everyone don't want to fight for it.

Those guys we are fighting are down right ugly. The smarter thing to do is get off this foreign oil dependency. Do that and we don't have to worry about where to get it and by not buying their oil you vastly reduce their ability to fund what they are doing.

So are we fighting for oil or freedom?

Nevermind, the oil companies controlling our government make the answer to that question quite clear.

No one can tell me we went into Iraq to ensure the freedoms of the Iraqi people. If that was the case, why didn't we do the same thing in so many other areas of conflict and even genocide?

Anne

 

[LuvDuke]

And unfortunately all too often their car is a huge gas guzzling hulk of a vehicle with more status and space than they actually need.

Anne (Who for the record has three cars in her household that average 51mpg, 36 mpg, and 26 mpg.)

And oil independence is the key to all of this.

Btw, this war may not have been about oil in the beginning, but is now. Bush publicly said so in August 2005.

Bush gives new reason for Iraq war
Says US must prevent oil fields from falling into hands of terrorists

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/justify/2005/0831newreason.htm

 

[Thizz]

He served in the Guard. clinton OTOH left the country

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar, and he went to study in Oxford. Nice try, though.

 

[shortbun]

Actually, Canada does have an application for citizenship they will happily send with qualifications and all.

 

[Dakota_Lynn]

Serving in the armed forces during active combat must be extremely difficult for anyone who does not truly believe in the cause. How can they live with themselves if they truly believe they are committing murder?! If your country is directly attacked you can think of your fight back as "self-defense", and that makes it a little easier to justify. But Iraq as self-defense is a stretch! I can understand why people resist a draft in cases like Vietnam and Iraq. WW2 was a little different - Japan attacked the US directly at Pearl Harbour, and it was pretty clear that the US needed to fight back. Iraq isn't in direct retaliation for 9/11 (which I would have understood more) - it's a fight against a potential threat, not an actual threat. IMO anyway - I suppose others feel differently.

I don't live in the US, so no point speculating about what I would do in this scenario. But I really do understand and sympathize with those who feel that going to fight this particular war would be like committing murder to them, and to save their sanity they would have to leave the US before the draft. I could not kill innocent children in a foreign land for a cause I didn't believe in, no matter how patriotic I was.

Exactly! Well said U2.

I'm not oppose to all war by any means. I'm sure that if another situation like WW2 came up my daughter would be willing to do her part. But she strongly disagrees with Iraq and sees it as wrong on so many levels. To fight in that war would be to turn her back on herself and her beliefs, and that is not acceptable.

 

[GeorgeG]

There were plenty of Americans opposed to just about every war our country has been involved in, including our revolution for independence from England. War is not a popular thing, ever, but it doesn't just go away because we don't approve.

Unfortunately, most Americans get their information on these wars from the media that sleeps with the enemy. There's a lot more to it than they want us to know. I'm not saying mistakes aren't being made and shouldn't be corrected, but sticking our heads in the sand leaves another part of our anatomy fully exposed.

Yes, our military is losing people in Iraq and Afganistan, but nowhere as many lives as are lost on out highways right here at home. So where is is safer?

 

[RoyalCanadian]

Hope your leaving soon!!!!! Why wait for the draft. It's a shame everyone wants freedom, but everyone don't want to fight for it.

Those guys we are fighting are down right ugly. The smarter thing to do is get off this foreign oil dependency. Do that and we don't have to worry about where to get it and by not buying their oil you vastly reduce their ability to fund what they are doing.

You do realize that most of the oil used by Americans comes from Canada and not from the Middle East, don't you? You also realize that George W. Bush considers Canadian oil to be "domestic" -- don't you?

 

[RoyalCanadian]

Actually, Canada does have an application for citizenship they will happily send with qualifications and all.

And those qualifications will tell the hapless applicant that Canada is really only interested in economic immigrants.

 

[LuvDuke]

There were plenty of Americans opposed to just about every war our country has been involved in, including our revolution for independence from England. War is not a popular thing, ever, but it doesn't just go away because we don't approve.

Unfortunately, most Americans get their information on these wars from the media that sleeps with the enemy. There's a lot more to it than they want us to know. I'm not saying mistakes aren't being made and shouldn't be corrected, but sticking our heads in the sand leaves another part of our anatomy fully exposed.

Yes, our military is losing people in Iraq and Afganistan, but nowhere as many lives as are lost on out highways right here at home. So where is is safer?

Several points:

1) The war in Iraq was supported by a majority of the American people. The war became unpopular when the American people realized the intelligence had been cherrypicked and the WH was incompetent and had no plan.

2) The media was some of the biggest Bush cheerleaders when it came to the runup to the war. They didn't do their job and look beyond the rhetoric.

3) No one is sticking their heads in the sand. If they were, they'd still be supporting this war.

4) I'll take my chances driving down US 41 over a driving down a road in Baghdad anyday.

 

[Charade]

2) The media was some of the biggest Bush cheerleaders when it came to the runup to the war. They didn't do their job and look beyond the rhetoric.

Not that I recall. The media didn't like GWB from the get go when he was "selected" in 2000.

 

[Thizz]

Not that I recall. The media didn't like GWB from the get go when he was "selected" in 2000.

Actually, a study was conducted that concluded he had been given favorable representation in the media, compared to Gore.

 

[LuvDuke]

Not that I recall. The media didn't like GWB from the get go when he was "selected" in 2000.

Really? So how many domestic news outlets went beyond the Bush rhetoric and seriously looked at "his case for war"? Didn't the NYT report, via Judy Miller, the story exactly as told to her by people in the Bush administration without ever checking the facts?

You're trying to rewrite history and that history is only 4 years old.