If Florida repeals "The Reedy Creek Improvement Charter", how does that change Disney going forward?

[jjb1974]

What about the majority of employees that support the bill? The majority of voters also support the bill.

Any analysis of discrimination doesn't begin with, much less does it end with, whether the majority support repealing said discrimination. There's a Lincoln quote about might and right that sums it up pretty well.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

That's fair. The problem I have with just saying "it's being taught" is that most of the argument for "it's being taught" is the claim that the curriculum has been "influenced" by "anti-racism" beliefs. No one's teaching CRT the way that the laws are written to suggest it is. And most of these bills are intentionally vague, to the point that they're almost impossible to enforce (which is why many, including this one, are using lawsuits by the general public for enforcement).


Honestly, my biggest problem with this bill is that it's anti-Conservative on a historical level.

Conservatives have run for decades on the idea that problems should be handled at the local level. Biggest example: the push to overturn Roe. The idea there is that states should be allowed to decide for themselves.

Public school issues are almost always handled at the local level - ie, the county or district.

If Tallahassee or Miami, for example, want to teach CRT or gender identity, the state shouldn't be outright banning them from doing so. The people making decisions on school curriculum should be local to the children being taught, with input from the parents of those children. It's the entire reason that school boards exist.

That's always been the Conservative model - let the affected people decide for themselves. Don't let outside people force you to do something.

If a school board in Florida wants to create a curriculum that teaches gender identity to 5-year-olds, they should be able to create that curriculum. Then, make the board defend it in public, and see if they're able to get re-elected (if they're even able to keep their jobs in the first place).

Florida didn't need a law for this. There were already mechanisms in place to deal with it.

You have described the issue very well. I actually think you hit the nail on the head with "whether CRT is being taught". I think curriculum is influenced by CRT, but CRT as a construct is not really taught - it's honestly too complex for a high schooler to really truly grasp. That doesn't mean that people do not feel that it influences what is being taught - it does. In other words, I think both sides are right.

I agree with your issue with the legislation as well. You make a very valid point and there is nothing you said that I disagree with at all.

Again, my issue as it pertains to THIS forum and THIS board is that Disney as a corporation has no dog in this fight. I don't want Pfizer to determine what drug I should take. We have a government agency for that called the FDA which I pay for. If Pfizer got up and said "As a company, we feel that the government should not be providing grant money to research space junk and we are going to fight that with every resource at our disposal", I have a problem with that.

If Kellogs stated that Florida should not be allowing abortions and a law should be passed and they will use their company to promote it, I have a problem with that.

If Disney says they believe the government should pass a law banning the climbing of trees and they will use their company resources in that fight, I have a problem with that.

Note that I do not actually have a problem with Bob Chapek saying that he personally doesn't believe kids should be climbing trees and he wants to run for office based on that. More power to him. Or maybe he wants to talk to his elected officials. Again, whatever dude. I do not own stock in Bob. I do not have any shared of Chapek, Inc. I do not visit Bob in his vacation home. I don't eat dinner with him. I don't care.

I have a problem with DISNEY as a corporation butting into the legal system when it's not an issue that directly affects them and they are not run by elected officials and it's not a government entity.

Ostensibly, they have not done anything illegal. They have not broken any laws by speaking out. If they want to shout from the rooftops they hate trees; I mean they have a legal right to do so. But as a shareholder, I am 100% against it. I do not think it's a win for the company and there is NO SCENARIO in which it becomes a win for the company. That's my problem.

 

[eleven24]

We now have elected officials threatening punishment to those who disagree with them. In this case, it seems absolutely insane that the Governor of Florida would jeopardize the revenue stream for his state that Disney is. Political posturing, sure. But a dangerous message that goes against everything America stands for.

 

[DCLMP]

Any analysis of discrimination doesn't begin with, much less does it end with, whether the majority support repealing said discrimination. There's a Lincoln quote about might and right that sums it up pretty well.

Can you explain to me who exactly is being discriminated against? I’m waiting.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

We now have elected officials threatening punishment to those who disagree with them. In this case, it seems absolutely insane that the Governor of Florida would jeopardize the revenue stream for his state that Disney is. Political posturing, sure. But a dangerous message that goes against everything America stands for.

Actually, we have elected officials questioning why a corporation is getting very special treatment and a competitive advantage provided by the state.

If you want to talk about what America stands for... what part of America stands for the government providing competitive advantages to one company over another (if anything that's about as UN-American as you can get)? I'll wait.

[edited to add that actually, the Government does this a fair bit. But technically the American model is that it should not].

 

[jjb1974]

Can you explain to me who exactly is being discriminated against? I’m waiting.

The discriminatory animus is pretty easy to see here, especially considering the amendments to the bill that were rejected, but I'll let you go read up on equal treatment under the law.

By contrast, I won't be waiting for your response.

 

[amylevan]

We now have elected officials threatening punishment to those who disagree with them. In this case, it seems absolutely insane that the Governor of Florida would jeopardize the revenue stream for his state that Disney is. Political posturing, sure. But a dangerous message that goes against everything America stands for.

It’s cute that you think politicians and corporations don’t do things like this on a regular basis. Lobbying, threats, and making monetary contributions are a very real part of political games.

 

[DCLMP]

It's definitely being taught

Covid opened a lot of eyes to the crap they push in schools. Parents are pushing back. Give me a tax break for not sending my kids to public school and I’ll stop complaining.

 

[DCLMP]

The discriminatory animus is pretty easy to see here, especially considering the amendments to the bill that were rejected, but I'll let you go read up on equal treatment under the law.

By contrast, I won't be waiting for your response.

You didn’t answer the question. Nice dodge.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Parents have the right to expect age appropriate material to be taught in schools. Personally I believe they should stick to the basics especially with the little ones. If a parent wants their child to become “more educated”… their right to provide it. Gosh even films have ratings to provide guidelines for appropriate viewing ages.

Any analysis of discrimination doesn't begin with, much less does it end with, whether the majority support repealing said discrimination. There's a Lincoln quote about might and right that sums it up pretty well.

Who makes that determination…right vs wrong? Who or what should guide our moral compass? Bottom line…the majority chooses leaders who make our laws. It might not be perfect but thankfully we have the opportunity to choose.

 

[starlite_]

If not thinking a 5-year-old should be taught gender identity and any topics that have to do with sex makes me weird then I'm happy to be weird.

Gender identity has nothing to do with sex. I'm a woman. That's literally it, no sex involved.

 

[starlite_]

And thank you for putting words in my mouth to try to make me look bad by using a straw man argument. I never said I have any issue with Ariel's race. I actually said I was confused how her father was NOT black, but she is. The only way that works is if Queen Athena was black. EXCEPT that doesn't work either since they cast Athena's sister as white.

So they just kinda jumbled up all the genetics with no regard to the actual story. I mean it's been a while since I took genetics, but I don't think it's changed THAT much.

Sure let's forget adoption exists for a second. You didn't answer any of my other questions so I guess you agree with those ones.

 

[pahoben]

I think people here just sound….old. I mean, what ideas did your parents have that you find outdated and distasteful. Guess what, this is YOU now. Adapt or die

No thanks but appreciate the suggestion.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

Sure let's forget adoption exists for a second. You didn't answer any of my other questions so I guess you agree with those ones.

Actually, I did. I said the question was regarding examples where Disney was injecting social issues. I answered that. I said I was not going to make this thread an issue about personal beliefs as that's going to go against the board rules.

Please lay off the personal attacks and try to stay to the topic on hand.

(Edit: and making Ariel adopted breaks Triton, but I actually asked if that was where Disney was going with that if you read my post before you decided to change my words).

 

[DCLMP]

Gender identity has nothing to do with sex. I'm a woman. That's literally it, no sex involved.

What’s a women?

 

[roctavia]

What’s a women?

It's one of the possible gender identities of humans. We could teach about that in school, then people could stop asking this question.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

We now have elected officials threatening punishment to those who disagree with them. In this case, it seems absolutely insane that the Governor of Florida would jeopardize the revenue stream for his state that Disney is. Political posturing, sure. But a dangerous message that goes against everything America stands for.

Also keep in mind that Florida has had a problem with RCID for many years. This is not a new feud. It's just that up to now, Disney had too much political muscle that it would have been suicide to bring RCID up.

Through a number of blunders including this one, Chapek has provided the elected officials with an opening. That's entirely on him.

 

[DCLMP]

It's one of the possible gender identities of humans. We could teach about that in school, then people could stop asking this question.

That was a very vague answer. I guess your not a biologist.

 

[starlite_]

What’s a women?

yeesh no wonder you are like this. Poor fella.

 

[roctavia]

That was a very vague answer. I guess your not a biologist.

How much detail do you want, because biologically it gets really complicated.

Does a uterus make a woman?? Well, for some women maybe, but would you tell any woman who has had a hysterectomy that she is no longer a woman??? No? So that's not a great measure of a woman.
Do breasts make you a woman? What if you've had a mastectomy? Or have gynecomastia? That's not a good measure either.

Genetics... whooboy, the chromosomes can get even more complicated- XX typically we think of as female, but sometimes it doesn't work out that way and you have male external genitalia with XX chromosomes... or you can be XY and present completely female with all of the parts traditionally thought of as female, but your genes say male. Or XXY... or XO... XYYYY there are all kinds of issues there... and it's one of the reasons biology teachers who teach classes about chromosomes don't have their students do their own chromosomes anymore... what a shocking thing to find out- you're whole life you thought you were male/female, but gee, your chromosomes don't agree, so you must be what your chromosomes say, right?? No?

So maybe that's not the best way to define it either.

Hmm, long hair? Is that a woman thing only? fingernail polish?

Or can it just be something that people feel and oftentimes it will match with genitals or chromosomes or body parts, but not always... and that's why it's a spectrum.

Is female exactly the same as a woman? Also not really....