If anyone from the NFL reads here- IT'S OVER THEY HAVE SETTLED!!!

[AndyLL]

He was in the air. Not a catch at that point.

It also doesn't matter that one player had 2 hands on the ball and the other had 1 hand on the ball.

It doesn't matter that one player had the ball against his chest and the other didn't.

The rule doesn't say there are different degrees of 'control'.

I maybe take the 1st part of that back. If one of the players 'clearly' had control ( not just hands on the ball ) 1st and maintains control all the way then it is not a simultaneous catch.

That is from the NFL rule casebook:
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook

If the offensive player was touching th ball when the defensive player had 2 hands on the ball then what I typed does not apply.

 

[Deb in IA]

I love this picture.

One ref is signaling "incomplete" - the other is signalling "touchdown".

 

[WebmasterAlex]

Ryan and Obama agree on ONE thing this election season

 

[lovetoscrap]

Hey Refs! Call it Maybe???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzPBcCF9yKc&feature=share

 

[monkeyboy]

Clueless people moderating a game they understand only from lower levels...sad really.
Plays called unjustly. Penalties given that aren't right, etc.

Vegas said they took a big hit on last nights game alone.

how will it be remembered in the books?

 

[plutotek]

Yeah, I refused to buy NFL Ticket the last 2 years. I also refuse to buy tickets at their outrageous prices. Give me a college game over this crap.

Have you seen the ticket prices for college games? I'm going to a Panthers/Seahawks game (2 tickets), driving 8 hrs, and spending 3 nights for less than 2 college tickets.

 

[sam_gordon]

I love this picture.

One ref is signaling "incomplete" - the other is signalling "touchdown".

No, you are wrong. One ref is signaling "stop the clock", the other is signaling "touchdown".

 

[sam_gordon]

BTW, does anyone remember the "Tuck Rule"? I don't remember, was that replacement refs?

 

[fall08CP]

No, you are wrong. One ref is signaling "stop the clock", the other is signaling "touchdown".

The analysts on ESPN explained that the "stop the clock" signal is preemptive to the touchback signal. Once he saw that he and the lingerie-football-reject ref were not on the same page, he stopped before signaling the touchback. Their words not mine, don't shoot the messenger

Had there been a proper review (it's been established that there were 2 major procedures that were skipped), it would've ended differently. Then again, there were 3 other incorrect calls on that drive alone that would have ended the game.. again, their words not mine

GB got jobbed but handled it with professionalism. There are many other coaches who would've ripples the refs a new one right then and there. The fact that there were 70,000 voice mails left overnight on the NFL phones says a lot. Packers fans were at the stadium at 5am to meet their team and proceeded to protest all morning. Passionate group!

 

[fall08CP]

Interesting take. However, the missed offensive pass interference was an unforgivable miss, considering how blatant it was. But then when they hit the ground, Golden Tate has control of Jennings' arm, not the ball.

That said, if Jennings would have done what he's been taught....to knock the ball down and not catch it, none of this would even have happened.

Did you watch the titans/lions game?

 

[SaraJayne]

The analysts on ESPN explained that the "stop the clock" signal is preemptive to the touchback signal. Once he saw that he and the lingerie-football-reject ref were not on the same page, he stopped before signaling the touchback. Their words not mine, don't shoot the messenger

Had there been a proper review (it's been established that there were 2 major procedures that were skipped), it would've ended differently. Then again, there were 3 other incorrect calls on that drive alone that would have ended the game.. again, their words not mine

GB got jobbed but handled it with professionalism. There are many other coaches who would've ripples the refs a new one right then and there. The fact that there were 70,000 voice mails left overnight on the NFL phones says a lot. Packers fans were at the stadium at 5am to meet their team and proceeded to protest all morning. Passionate group!

Packer fans were at Lambeau last night not long after the game ended.

 

[Anne34]

Weeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Go Hawks!!!! He pushed that guy into next week.

Yeah -- let's get somebody hurt The refs are a joke. I don't think I can stand anymore and most of the players aren't either.....

 

[robinb]

Have you seen the ticket prices for college games? I'm going to a Panthers/Seahawks game (2 tickets), driving 8 hrs, and spending 3 nights for less than 2 college tickets.

My Badger tickets are only $65 each for conference play.

 

[sam_gordon]

The analysts on ESPN explained that the "stop the clock" signal is preemptive to the touchback signal. Once he saw that he and the lingerie-football-reject ref were not on the same page, he stopped before signaling the touchback. Their words not mine, don't shoot the messenger

It's also preemptive to "official" time out, and I've seen it preemptive to "catch" (although that may be a college sign). One thing it is NOT is "incomplete". I think it's VERY hypocritical to criticize the refs for getting the call wrong by stating a falsehood. The bottom line is the signal given by the official does NOT always mean touchback or interception. Also, think about it. ESPN is loving this attention as much as the NFL. The more they can keep the video being shown, the better for them. And how does ANYONE know what was going through the ref's mind?

Had there been a proper review (it's been established that there were 2 major procedures that were skipped), it would've ended differently. Then again, there were 3 other incorrect calls on that drive alone that would have ended the game.. again, their words not mine

The last I heard the replay officials are the normal replay officials, not replacements. THEY couldn't find anything to overturn the play.

 

[Hrhpd]

My Badger tickets are only $65 each for conference play.

That is more than our Bronco tickets (season pass holder) and we have relatively decent seats.

 

[Hrhpd]

The last I heard the replay officials are the normal replay officials, not replacements. THEY couldn't find anything to overturn the play.

That is not what the news said this morning.

Have you watched any coverage on that call and all the others? There is not a single professional sports announcer, who do this for a living, that agrees with the call. Every single one has denounced the call as a bad call, and has said it makes it even a bigger travesty that the NFL upheld it. Bob Costas is on Today right now saying that player safety is at risk.

There was an article yesterday (I can't find it again as there are SO many articles now on the bad reffing) which listed a whole of games over the past 3 weeks of all the bad placements of the ball; 20 yards when it should have been 15, 14 when it should have been 10, etc.

The regular refs do indeed make an occasional blown call. But it is so uncommon, that it is usually covered in the media. The past 3 weeks, it is all the little mistakes such as bad ball placement along with the big ones like Monday Night's mistake.

 

[SaraJayne]

Just to lighten the mood a little, our Green Bay radio station (WIXX.com, if anyone wants to stream it online) is using "replacement DJ's" today.


ET: And they are awful. I've turned the radio off. I get the point they are trying to make, but why make everyone else suffer. Ugh.

 

[sam_gordon]

That is not what the news said this morning.

Have you watched any coverage on that call and all the others? There is not a single professional sports announcer, who do this for a living, that agrees with the call. Every single one has denounced the call as a bad call, and has said it makes it even a bigger travesty that the NFL upheld it. Bob Costas is on Today right now saying that player safety is at risk.

There was an article yesterday (I can't find it again as there are SO many articles now on the bad reffing) which listed a whole of games over the past 3 weeks of all the bad placements of the ball; 20 yards when it should have been 15, 14 when it should have been 10, etc.

The regular refs do indeed make an occasional blown call. But it is so uncommon, that it is usually covered in the media. The past 3 weeks, it is all the little mistakes such as bad ball placement along with the big ones like Monday Night's mistake.

I don't know with certainty if the replay officials are replacements or not. I was simply repeating what I heard. And I also included the fact that that's what I heard, NOT that it was a fact.

As far as the "talking heads" saying it was a blown call... they are not the "be all, end all" when it comes to rules and correct interpretations. It's VERY common during games for an analyst to butcher a rule or effect.

I have never said the replacement refs are the best thing since sliced bread. I never said they haven't made mistakes. I never said replacements don't make more mistakes than regular refs would.

My point is simply this play (control and possession, I'm not commenting on the pass interference) is not as cut and dried as folks are saying it is.

I also think it's hypocritical to slam the refs for making two different calls and say one of those calls was "touchback" or "incomplete". I guess it's okay to be wrong as long as you're not a replacement ref.

Now, I've said it before and I'll say it again... you want the regular refs back? STOP watching or attending games. STOP buying NFL products. Why should owners push for a settlement? They're still making their money.

ETA: You know who's take I'd like on the play? One of the regular refs. Heck, even ask a Division 1 ref. Someone who has had extensive training on the rules.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I think the fact that review can't determine possession is a glaring problem with the NFL officiating rules.

 

[undertheradar]

That is not what the news said this morning.

Have you watched any coverage on that call and all the others? There is not a single professional sports announcer, who do this for a living, that agrees with the call. Every single one has denounced the call as a bad call, and has said it makes it even a bigger travesty that the NFL upheld it. Bob Costas is on Today right now saying that player safety is at risk.

There was an article yesterday (I can't find it again as there are SO many articles now on the bad reffing) which listed a whole of games over the past 3 weeks of all the bad placements of the ball; 20 yards when it should have been 15, 14 when it should have been 10, etc.

The regular refs do indeed make an occasional blown call. But it is so uncommon, that it is usually covered in the media. The past 3 weeks, it is all the little mistakes such as bad ball placement along with the big ones like Monday Night's mistake.

Have you watched the news is the question? While the majority of supposed sports experts believe the wrong call was made, not every single professional sports announcer believes the wrong call was made. Perhaps the announcers on ESPN and the NFL Network, who all couldn't come to a concensus on if the right call was made, debunk your statement?

As I stated earlier in the thread, if this didn't happen to the Patriots and Packers, two of the most popular teams in the NFL, would this be news? Now you know what it is like for the other teams in the NFL who don't get the benefit of calls that the "elite" teams do.