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Alice28

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This concerns a family matter between myself and my cousin. I'll try to keep it short.

Background- I live in Oregon; my entire extended family lives in the Bay Area of CA. I moved here with my DH after we got married. I visit often to the Bay Area. My cousin and I were extremely close- called each other several times a week, were in each other's weddings, etc. However, when push came to shove, she would often flake out on things- she's always been like that, but since we were so close, I just brushed it off. For example, she would make these big plans to come visit me in Portland ($33 each way tickets on Southwest) and then flake out and claim she has no money. Next thing I'm hearing about is the new hot tub they just bought. That sorta thing.

Up until this point- now this is 3 year's ago. I have 98% put this in the past, but I would love to get a stranger's opinion. My son's birthday always lands on Thanksgiving weekend. For his 3rd birthday, I wanted to have the party at my parent's house, and invite friends and family- not just to celebrate his bday, but as a family get together and catch up. My cousin lives less than 2 hours away from my parent's- that's a drop in the bucket to me, considering it's an 11-12 hour car ride from our home to my parent's---to me, two hours is a hop-skip & a jump. I asked my cousin the August before if they would be able to come to Thanksgiving at my parent's house (this also included her parents, my aunt and uncle, who live 20 minutes from my parents). It turned out she couldn't come for Thanksgiving, as her husband had to work the next day, but she would try and make it to the party with her 3 year old son too.

Flash foward to two weeks before the party. At this point, both my cousin and I are pregnant with our second babies- we are a week apart in gestation and have been gabbing on the phone often. She stops returning my phone calls. I find out through my Dad that she isn't coming to the party, because she doesn't feel well and doesn't want to "Deal" with the drive. This is TWO weeks before- not the morning of, not the night before...two weeks before. I can completely understand waking up, not feeling good and being unable to come. I keep hoping she'll change her mind, cause we had so much to catch up on- I hadn't seen her since February! Well, the party comes and goes, and not only does she not come, she tells her parents not to leave her house and to stay with her all weekend. So my aunt and uncle don't come either. The entire drive to CA I was sick and nauseous and threw up at a McDonald's cause the morning sickness was so bad. But my extended family wasn't willing to drive a couple hours.

My parents and I were stunned. I spent the evening crying because I completely felt dissed. :( I find out two weeks later that the week after the party she drove the two hours to help her Mom install a computer. So, it turns out the drive wasn't really the issue- my family just didn't rank high enough on her list to make the effort.

Flash foward a few weeks- it was after Christmas. My cousin and I had been exchanging light emails and I felt like both of us were avoiding the elephant in the room. I said "You know, I was really bummed you were unable to come to mom and dad's- I really missed seeing you and catching up. It hurt me and I just feel like I had to get that off of my chest. I'm not mad, I was just really sad." She BLEW up at me, telling me what a selfish brat I was, how I don't make it to her kid's parties, so why should she make any effort to come to mine, that every Thanksgiving isn't going to be set aside for my kid, etc. I was so stunned. I just started crying on the phone. She is that kind of a person though- she can rip someone so badly the second they have their back turned- it shouldn't have surprised me that she did it to me. I said, that if she only lived two hours from me, I would most certainly make it to her kid's parties, and I had made it to a few even living 12 hours away and it wasn't about my kid's bday anyway- it was about not taking the time for family in general.

Since that happened, we have grown apart. I apologized twice, even though I felt like I did nothing wrong- I just wanted to make peace. She never responded to those letters.

Other people tell me that I don't need friends like that and for the most part I agree. But I am regretful of the relationship lost. Was I out of line in my expectations?
 
I'm sorry. I know I'm only hearing one side of this, but she sounds like a terrible friend, and her parents aren't any better. :(
 
I'm sorry all this has happened.

Sometimes we need to grow apart to grow closer.

I hope things work out the way you want them too.

(((((((((((((hugs))))))))))
 

Unfortantley she was just there for you when it was a convience, not when you needed her. It might hurt, but in the long run you can put your energy into other friendships. It's just sad that SHE is the one that hasn't realized what SHE has lost! :hug:
 
putting on my Mom hat here. #1, you are not going to change her, so its up to you to decide which means more to you. I have been through this with my in-laws and its taken me 27 years to learn I can't change them, but I can change the way I react to them. Tell her how you feel and then let it go, because you are the only one this is hurting. Make plans but don't expect her to be there. Make the plans you want and if she can come, great, if not, move on. Don't let this ruin a relationship that has lasted all these years. Ok Mom hat is off now....
 
I have a SIL and BIL who can't even drive 45 minutes to my daughter's birthday party and have chosen a friends party over their own nieces. They 'skipped' Thanksgiving the last 2 years because her family had it at the same time. I know where you are coming from. Realize that you have tried to make peace and they ball is in her court. Don't beat yourself up over it.
 
People grow apart, especially when they begin their own families. Be happy when you two can see each other and appreciate what you had, but realize it isn't as important to her as it is to you and is never going to be like that again. :grouphug:
 
I'm so sorry. My heart broke for you when you told us about your phone call. How horrible and hurtful of her. :( {{hugs}}

Unfortunately I don't think there is much you can do either. I don't think you were being unreasonable to hope that she would be there.

I think you need some distance - a break from eachother. Everyone is right, you can't change her. Maybe in time she'll come to realize how important family is.

I'm so sorry you went through that.


Tamie
 
OK, now from the Dissers side. I totally dissed my cousin on her wedding. She sent out "save the date" cards 6 months in advance. I was not invited to her shower, despite the fact she was IN my wedding, (my shower and wedding reception were at her house) and her actual wedding invitation did not reach me until 2 weeks before her wedding. I got the excuse that she lost my address, but had my invitations "ready to go out.":rolleyes:

FF to the wedding. EVERY SINGLE PERSON, in my family was there except my grandma who has Alzhiemer's and myself and DH, DS, and DD. and all the other "children". This was an ADULT only Reception. I live 4 hours away and the wedding was held on a Friday, at 6:00. I would have had to take my kids out of school (no family here in Indiana, and I'm not well connected, so I couldn't leave them here. They are 13 and 10.), get hotel rooms for 2 nights (which she did arrange for) and on and on. My kids would have had to stay at the Hotel alone, while we ADULTS went to the festivities. Needless to say, we did not attend. (in my defense, nobody with children had to travel, take kids out of school and on and on. Still, it was only one day right?) We did, however, show up the following morning to visit with family who all stayed at the same hotel. It was an excruciating 2.5 hours of hung over "this is why I don't attend family functions" pain. Even worse, The bride and groom were still there and QUITE confused as to how we couldn't make it the day before, but were able to get there the next AM.
Can you Imagine how hurt she was? Was I callous? You bet! Could I have done better? Probably. (There were other extenuating circumstances, not the least of which DH had been out of town all that week, and was scheduled to leave again the following tuesday.)
I guess My point is, sometimes we let our lives get in the way of life. I know my cousin is deeply hurt. Though she did give me hug the morning after, it was only a gesture. I know she really wanted to tell me to drop dead. I understand. I love her and feel bad for hurting her. I also know, some day, she'll forgive me. We're family. Dysfunction runs rampant through our veins. She'll have her days and dis others and feel bad about it, too. But really life is too precious to carry a grudge. There is just something about family. They can hurt us like no one else can, but underneath it all, all those years of love cannot be undone by a few selfish acts.
Maybe she feels justified (your cousin, I mean). Maybe she feels like there really was no good excuse and is having a hard time excusing herself. (I tend not to be that hard on myself. It gets in the way of moving forward, forgiving and healing.) Whatever the case, just wanted you to hear that even though sometimes we can be selfish pigs, we still care deeply.
I hope the two of you can maybe put it behind you and move on. Maybe so your children can have the kind of relationship the two of you seem to have had. ::yes::
(You asked for an opinion and I gave you a sermon. Sorry so long)

Keep the Faith!
Tracy
 
Is there a neutral party that could get the story from both sides and try to mediate?

My father did something extemely hurtful to me when I was 17. I didn't speak to him for 7 years. One day, he happened to be talking to my brother, and mentioned the reason he did what he did. As it turns out, he had made a false assumption. When my brother informed him that his assumption was wrong, he was dumbfounded. He has reached out to me to make amends, and I have tried to accommodate, but our relationship is forever damaged.

Best of luck to you.
 
Originally posted by moinab
Is there a neutral party that could get the story from both sides and try to mediate?

My father did something extemely hurtful to me when I was 17. I didn't speak to him for 7 years. One day, he happened to be talking to my brother, and mentioned the reason he did what he did. As it turns out, he had made a false assumption. When my brother informed him that his assumption was wrong, he was dumbfounded. He has reached out to me to make amends, and I have tried to accommodate, but our relationship is forever damaged.

Best of luck to you.
your relationship is only damaged forever , if one or both of you allow it to be, if you both choose to repair the damage and put the past behind you it doesn't have to be damaged forever..
 
Originally posted by Alice28
This concerns a family matter between myself and my cousin. I'll try to keep it short.

Background- I live in Oregon; my entire extended family lives in the Bay Area of CA. I moved here with my DH after we got married. I visit often to the Bay Area. My cousin and I were extremely close- called each other several times a week, were in each other's weddings, etc. However, when push came to shove, she would often flake out on things- she's always been like that, but since we were so close, I just brushed it off. For example, she would make these big plans to come visit me in Portland ($33 each way tickets on Southwest) and then flake out and claim she has no money. Next thing I'm hearing about is the new hot tub they just bought. That sorta thing.

Up until this point- now this is 3 year's ago. I have 98% put this in the past, but I would love to get a stranger's opinion. My son's birthday always lands on Thanksgiving weekend. For his 3rd birthday, I wanted to have the party at my parent's house, and invite friends and family- not just to celebrate his bday, but as a family get together and catch up. My cousin lives less than 2 hours away from my parent's- that's a drop in the bucket to me, considering it's an 11-12 hour car ride from our home to my parent's---to me, two hours is a hop-skip & a jump. I asked my cousin the August before if they would be able to come to Thanksgiving at my parent's house (this also included her parents, my aunt and uncle, who live 20 minutes from my parents). It turned out she couldn't come for Thanksgiving, as her husband had to work the next day, but she would try and make it to the party with her 3 year old son too.

Flash foward to two weeks before the party. At this point, both my cousin and I are pregnant with our second babies- we are a week apart in gestation and have been gabbing on the phone often. She stops returning my phone calls. I find out through my Dad that she isn't coming to the party, because she doesn't feel well and doesn't want to "Deal" with the drive. This is TWO weeks before- not the morning of, not the night before...two weeks before. I can completely understand waking up, not feeling good and being unable to come. I keep hoping she'll change her mind, cause we had so much to catch up on- I hadn't seen her since February! Well, the party comes and goes, and not only does she not come, she tells her parents not to leave her house and to stay with her all weekend. So my aunt and uncle don't come either. The entire drive to CA I was sick and nauseous and threw up at a McDonald's cause the morning sickness was so bad. But my extended family wasn't willing to drive a couple hours.

My parents and I were stunned. I spent the evening crying because I completely felt dissed. :( I find out two weeks later that the week after the party she drove the two hours to help her Mom install a computer. So, it turns out the drive wasn't really the issue- my family just didn't rank high enough on her list to make the effort.

Flash foward a few weeks- it was after Christmas. My cousin and I had been exchanging light emails and I felt like both of us were avoiding the elephant in the room. I said "You know, I was really bummed you were unable to come to mom and dad's- I really missed seeing you and catching up. It hurt me and I just feel like I had to get that off of my chest. I'm not mad, I was just really sad." She BLEW up at me, telling me what a selfish brat I was, how I don't make it to her kid's parties, so why should she make any effort to come to mine, that every Thanksgiving isn't going to be set aside for my kid, etc. I was so stunned. I just started crying on the phone. She is that kind of a person though- she can rip someone so badly the second they have their back turned- it shouldn't have surprised me that she did it to me. I said, that if she only lived two hours from me, I would most certainly make it to her kid's parties, and I had made it to a few even living 12 hours away and it wasn't about my kid's bday anyway- it was about not taking the time for family in general.

Since that happened, we have grown apart. I apologized twice, even though I felt like I did nothing wrong- I just wanted to make peace. She never responded to those letters.

Other people tell me that I don't need friends like that and for the most part I agree. But I am regretful of the relationship lost. Was I out of line in my expectations?
you will find more happiness in life if and when you choose to live life to the fullest, with no expectations of others,,enjoy your children..enjoy the company of those who do attend events, rather than dwelling on the absence of others..if you focus on who isn't there and it shows, you will ruin your day, and have a negative effect on those around you, they will feel that their presence is not as important as that of the person who didn't show.. We can't control the behaviour of others, but we can control the way we react to it..
 
Thanks everyone, for your insight.

Have a great weekend! :D
 
your relationship is only damaged forever , if one or both of you allow it to be, if you both choose to repair the damage and put the past behind you it doesn't have to be damaged forever..

I respectfully disagree. Once something is broken, you can add as much glue as you like, but it can never be as strong as it once was in the place it was broken. We have found our peace with each other, but the scar will always be there.

On the other hand...

you will find more happiness in life if and when you choose to live life to the fullest, with no expectations of others,,enjoy your children..enjoy the company of those who do attend events, rather than dwelling on the absence of others..if you focus on who isn't there and it shows, you will ruin your day, and have a negative effect on those around you, they will feel that their presence is not as important as that of the person who didn't show.. We can't control the behaviour of others, but we can control the way we react to it..

I agree 100%. Very well said.
 
Originally posted by moinab
I respectfully disagree. Once something is broken, you can add as much glue as you like, but it can never be as strong as it once was in the place it was broken. We have found our peace with each other, but the scar will always be there.

On the other hand...



I agree 100%. Very well said.
I respectfully disagree, with modern glues some repairs are actually stronger than the original material was in the first place..

and the same is true with relationships,,if both people choose to forgive and forget...key word forget...

then the relationship can be stronger than ever if you realize that both people loved and cared enough to make things better and try to never let such a thing occur again... using the scar as reminder to make the relationship stronger


all relationships are like house plants, they must be cared for on a regular basis...feed them and they will thrive..put them in a corner and ignore them and they will weaken and die..
 
moinab-

Every time I see a post of yours, with that picture of your darling baby, I smile. That is the most precious picture!

In this case, I agree with you---my cousin and I have made our peace in some ways- we were both at my grandfather's funeral in April, and we were polite and chit-chatty, and gave each other a hug, but it was definitely not the same, and probably never will be. And 99% of me is okay with that- I have always known what kind of person she is- we didn't get along at all growing up- polar opposites...I was the good "church girl", who got good grades, went to college, was respectful to her parents, hung out with nice kids whose idea of a fun time was mini-golf and goofing around TPing someone's house- that was reckless for us! My cousin was a rebel, party gal, dropped out of high school, and isn't very kind to her DH or her parents with her words. She does have a very fun, crazy side, which is fun to be around if you are on her side---you disagree with her and all h*** breaks loose. I guess I just think to myself, it was fun while it lasted, but I have far more wonderful friends to spend my time with, and I cherish every day with my own family and friends to the fullest. I think I just took it so hard because I don't have any siblings myself, and I considered her to be like a sister in our mid-20's. Oh Well- the ball is in her court and if she wants to act like that, fine. Her loss! :p
 
I respectfully disagree, with modern glues some repairs are actually stronger than the original material was in the first place..

Ok, you got me with the modern super-adhesives, but...


and the same is true with relationships,,if both people choose to forgive and forget...key word forget...

I think you are over-simplifying. I have forgiven, but I can't forget. There's a difference between letting go of a grudge and repressing memories.

all relationships are like house plants, they must be cared for on a regular basis...feed them and they will thrive..put them in a corner and ignore them and they will weaken and die..

I do believe this to be true, and that this is what happened in my case. I had no relationship with my father from age 17 to 24, which pretty much killed the relationship we had when I was growing up. The sad truth is, because of this, I don't love and care enough to develop more of a relationship than what we now have, which I would consider to be more along the lines of an uncle/niece relationship. The pain morphed into apathy long ago.

So it seems we agree and disagree. ;)

I'm sorry to have hijacked this thread. My original intention was to illustrate with my own example that these rifts can be caused by a simple misunderstanding/false assumption, and that sometimes a person friendly to both sides can help clear the air, but I now see that this isn't really the case for the OP.

Every time I see a post of yours, with that picture of your darling baby, I smile. That is the most precious picture!

Thank you so much! She is a cutie, but she's a handful. (We call her "Stitch") Here's a link to some recent photos.:)

http://community.webshots.com/user/moinab
 
Originally posted by moinab


So it seems we agree and disagree. ;)

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OK I agree that we disagree, and I disagree that we agree...

sorry that line just wanted to be said....

I agree..::yes:: :cool1:
 
Thank you so much! She is a cutie, but she's a handful. (We call her "Stitch") Here's a link to some recent photos.:)

LOL- I have a "Stitch" myself- he's 2 1/2 and a complete terror at times!
 


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