I was not allowed to use rocking chairs at Baby Care Center

[Indiana Rose Lee]

Even after all of this discussion, there are still people talking about "why shouldn't a mom who bottle feeds get a nice quiet rocking chair room"......as if Disney set out to make moms who bottle feed feel inferior and the nursing moms are all laughing about it as they take up all the good chairs.

A little privacy for the women exposing their breasts isn't a SLAM on moms who bottle feed! If you (general you) want a rocking chair, tell Disney you want one! If you want a room with dim lights, tell Disney you want that! I'm willing to bet that along with all the complaints from people who don't want to see nip, there were probably plenty of requests from moms who wanted a little privacy. Communicating with the company works. Write a letter or send an email or place a phone call......that kind of energy is productive.

I have personally experienced negative talk and dirty looks because I was nip. I have personally heard people talking negatively about another person nip. I have personally been told by a bottle feeding mother that nursing my 18month old DD was disgusting. I've personally heard moms who bottle feed, badmouthing nursing moms and I've personally heard moms who nurse, badmouthing moms who bottle feed. I nursed and used a bottle and got some crap from both sides.

It happens. People can be mean and ignorant to each other. It doesn't change the fact that the nursing room in the babycare center is needed for privacy. Privacy for moms who have to take their breast out to feed their baby. If a mom who doesn't use her breast to feed her child wants the same kind of room, she needs to communicate that to Disney. I certainly believe a mom who uses a bottle is deserving of a nice room with rocking chairs, I just don't believe taking away the privacy of a nursing room is the way to solve the problem.

Would those be bottle nazis?

BTW, your post makes excellent sense.

 

[littlbugmom]

I gathered that exposure could be the excuse for the policy. It still has nothing to do with the fact that it is discrimination nor the original post.

It's not discrimination. It would be if only nursing mothers were given a place to feed their children. That's not the case. There is an area for parents to feed their children and a more private area for nursing. The problem is that those too rooms are not identical.

The room for nursing moms does not have a tv in it. Why not? Don't nursing moms deserve a tv? If a nursing mom uses the other room, she has to expose her breast to anyone who walks in.....why can't the nursing room have a tv?

Is it a slam to nursing moms because Disney put a tv in one room but not the other?

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

I want a darkly lit room where I can rollerskate in a clown costume while playing the harmonica. Darn it Disney....why dont you create a room for that??? Am I asking too much?

Sorry...this thread is waaaaay too angry.

I'm a BFing mom here and have used the rooms at Disney to BF my child....I wouldnt have cared less if a mom came in to bottle feed.

Dont fall into the mommy wars here people! Whether you BF or bottle feed....your choice.

This isn't a mommy war thing. No one on this thread is saying bad things about mommy stuff. They/We are merely arguing about a policy set so that women who might have their breasts out would have some privacy to do so.

 

[designermv]

Is it a slam to nursing moms because Disney put a tv in one room but not the other?

Well obviously Disney feels that breastfeeding moms aren't deserving of entertainment options while feeding their babies. So unfair.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

Well obviously Disney feels that breastfeeding moms aren't deserving of entertainment options while feeding their babies. So unfair.

Cause for a class action suit.

 

[missfigment]

This isn't a mommy war thing. No one on this thread is saying bad things about mommy stuff. They/We are merely arguing about a policy set so that women who might have their breasts out would have some privacy to do so.

oops I must have read a different thread that has 10 + pages on it about nursing rooms!

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

oops I must have read a different thread that has 10 + pages on it about nursing rooms!

Hmmmm. Then you have been in far different mommy wars than I have. You see, mommy wars to me are mom's being snotty about the parenting choices of others, rather than the policy choices of a company.

I could not care less how others feed, immunize, diaper or sleep with or without their child.

 

[BigEeyore]

This thread has provided some entertaining reading!
Disney DOES provide a dark, air-conditioned, fairly quiet area with very comfortable chairs and entertainment too, open to moms that are BF or bottle feeding - it is called THE HALL OF PRESIDENTS.
No, really - I have sat through many consecutive performances of that while I nursed and my DD dozed!
Keeping it real - the BCC nursing room has very uncomfortable chairs and is pretty inconvient in most of the parks, really not worth fighting over!

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

This thread has provided some entertaining reading!
Disney DOES provide a dark, air-conditioned, fairly quiet area with very comfortable chairs and entertainment too, open to moms that are BF or bottle feeding - it is called THE HALL OF PRESIDENTS.
No, really - I have sat through many consecutive performances of that while I nursed and my DD dozed!
Keeping it real - the BCC nursing room has very uncomfortable chairs and is pretty inconvient in most of the parks, really not worth fighting over!

And the movie in France.

 

[annette20071]

It's not discrimination. It would be if only nursing mothers were given a place to feed their children. That's not the case. There is an area for parents to feed their children and a more private area for nursing. The problem is that those too rooms are not identical.

The room for nursing moms does not have a tv in it. Why not? Don't nursing moms deserve a tv? If a nursing mom uses the other room, she has to expose her breast to anyone who walks in.....why can't the nursing room have a tv?

Is it a slam to nursing moms because Disney put a tv in one room but not the other?

I am all for having Disney switch the rooms. Let's put the couches (which I think would be much more comfortable than those hard rockers) in the nursing room, and let's put the TV in there too. We can move the rocking chairs to the main room. Then lets wait a couple of months and see if there is someone who comes on here and posts:

"Wow! Did you know the nursing room has couches instead of those uncomfortable rocking chairs? They even have a TV! Their discriminating against us. Why do they get comfy couches and a TV?"

 

[photo_chick]

I really think you need to read the whole thread if you haven't yet. Not everything is discrimination. If Disney has a room just for the CMs to eat lunch and I want to eat there too, is it discrimination when I am told no that is for CMs only?

I have read the thread since my first post and stand by what I've said.

We're not talking about non-employees eating in employee only areas and that is an absurd comparison. We're talking about moms who nurse in different manners. Be it with a bottle or breast it's ALL nursing. And they are called "Nursing Centers" in most places.

Some babies don't do well unless they can have a nice, quiet environment to feed. Some mom's have kids like that and they cannot breast feed. Being told that you can't have the same facilities to help your child, and do what is best for your child, just because you feed with a bottle instead of the breast isn't fair to moms and babies who bottle feed.

Most moms I know who have and or are breast feeding have no qualms about doing so in public. It's a natural thing and they should be allowed to do it anywhere. Just like moms who bottle feed should be afforded the same respect and privileges and that includes being able to use the designated nursing areas.

So yes, it is discrimination and exposure has noting to do with it.

Edited to add... and if a breastfeeding baby does best on a couch in front of the television they should be able to feed there. My point is there should not be a distinction between the two.

 

[Bugsmom73]

I have read the thread since my first post and stand by what I've said.

We're not talking about non-emplyees eating in employee only areas and that is an absurd comparison. We're talking about moms who nurse in different manners. Be it with a bottle or breast it's ALL nursing. And they are called "Nuirsing Centers" in most places.

Some babies don't do well unless they can have a nice, quiet environment to feed. Some mom's have kids like that and they cannot breast feed. Being told that you can't have the same facilities to help your child, and do what is best for your child, just because you feed with a bottle instead of the breast isn't fair to moms and babies who bottle feed.

Most moms I know who have and or are breast feeding have no qualms about doing so in public. It's a natural thing and they should be allowed to do it anywhere. Just like moms who bottle feed should be afforded the same respect and privileges and that includes being able to use the designated nursing areas.

So yes, it is discrimination and exposure has noting to do with it.

I agree with you. DD was a VERY nosy nursers. SHe would have been the same if I bottle fed. SHe STILL is a very nosy kid.

DS was a give me my food and I am done kinda kid. He did not care where it came from, as long as it came. He rarely nursed more than 5-10mins tops. 5 more often than not.

 

[Suellen]

Does anyone know if this is a new policy?

Curious because I was never told no while bottle feeding.

I also wanted to add this:

I don't know if it is when we visit or what.... but I am pretty sure I have only seen another family in the Baby Center ONCE in all the times we have used it.

I think we travel during a "baby" heavy travel time in September/October and again in April/May after peak season or March before peak season. Usually a good time to travel with toddlers.

So I wonder how much of a problem this can really be that Disney would need a policy on BF vs BottleFeeding and who is let in. Maybe at certain times of year?

 

[livndisney]

I honestly don't think you are getting what bf mothers are trying to get across. No, it is not okay for ANYONE to express negative feelings about someone bf - even if it is after the fact - even if they did not specifically call the mom out - definitely not okay in a public forum like a message board. It is NOT okay. But, this is the reason why Disney has a nursing room. Because of people like this CM. A lot of bf moms don't like nursing rooms because they feel that moms should bf in public then eventually it would be so normal that people would not act like this CM apparently did. It doesn't mean he is a bad person. He just needs to be better informed.

Never said it wasn't allowed. I said it was not "okay" and not "appropriate". There are lots of things that you are allowed to say that are offensive and not appropriate some examples were even provided in other posts.

Bolded previous post.

My point is you cannot control what people say. They can say what they want. If people want to make a negative comment about bf they will.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

No, "nursing" is at the breast. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4601

 

[kidshop]

I have read the thread since my first post and stand by what I've said.

We're not talking about non-employees eating in employee only areas and that is an absurd comparison. We're talking about moms who nurse in different manners. Be it with a bottle or breast it's ALL nursing. And they are called "Nursing Centers" in most places.

Some babies don't do well unless they can have a nice, quiet environment to feed. Some mom's have kids like that and they cannot breast feed. Being told that you can't have the same facilities to help your child, and do what is best for your child, just because you feed with a bottle instead of the breast isn't fair to moms and babies who bottle feed.

Most moms I know who have and or are breast feeding have no qualms about doing so in public. It's a natural thing and they should be allowed to do it anywhere. Just like moms who bottle feed should be afforded the same respect and privileges and that includes being able to use the designated nursing areas.

So yes, it is discrimination and exposure has noting to do with it.

Edited to add... and if a breastfeeding baby does best on a couch in front of the television they should be able to feed there. My point is there should not be a distinction between the two.

What about men in the room?

Did you read the post about the CM on the Jungle Cruise? This is the normal attitude about public bfing. It should be considered no big deal, but it is not yet. Until then, a private nursing room is necessary for those who wish to use it...it is for nursing or pumping, b/c these moms are the exception to the norm...which is bottlefeeding. The actual discrimination is that moms CANNOT bfeed everywhere, even though it is the law in most places. They get looks, they get comments and now they can't even use a nursing only room.... This is well documented.

I don't want to use the room. I (did) NIP.

I wanted to reiterate that all moms/dads/whoever is caring for a baby can use the Baby Centers. This is referring to a small space within the Baby Center that is for nursing moms only.

How do you feel about handicapped bathrooms?

 

[littlbugmom]

I have read the thread since my first post and stand by what I've said.

We're not talking about non-employees eating in employee only areas and that is an absurd comparison. We're talking about moms who nurse in different manners. Be it with a bottle or breast it's ALL nursing. And they are called "Nursing Centers" in most places.

Some babies don't do well unless they can have a nice, quiet environment to feed. Some mom's have kids like that and they cannot breast feed. Being told that you can't have the same facilities to help your child, and do what is best for your child, just because you feed with a bottle instead of the breast isn't fair to moms and babies who bottle feed.

Most moms I know who have and or are breast feeding have no qualms about doing so in public. It's a natural thing and they should be allowed to do it anywhere. Just like moms who bottle feed should be afforded the same respect and privileges and that includes being able to use the designated nursing areas.

So yes, it is discrimination and exposure has noting to do with it.

Edited to add... and if a breastfeeding baby does best on a couch in front of the television they should be able to feed there. My point is there should not be a distinction between the two.

I'm sorry, but "nursing" is at the breast. "to nurse" can be considered 'taking care of' as in, you nurse your child back to health......buut I think you're really reaching there.

A lot of places may be called nursing centers where you live but the place we're talking about is Disney and Disney calls it a Baby Care Center and within that Baby Care Center is a room for nursing mothers. Exposure has everything to do with it. If it were not for the exposed breast, there would be no such room. Do you honestly believe that Disney decided to section off that small room because they think mothers who feed their children differently need to sit in different rooms? Think about it.....please. If not for the exposed breast, what other reason would Disney have for setting aside that small room?

I know many women who have no qualms about nip. I did not have an easy time of it but I did it too. That doesn't really mean anything to the many women who ARE uncomfortable and DO wish to nurse in private. As long as there is a demand for the privacy (whether the demand comes from women wanting privacy to nurse or the fools who complain about seeing it in public), Disney will likely keep offering the rooms.

I know you think moms who use bottles aren't being respected but really, it's just bad decorating. Disney needs to make the rooms look similar.

 

[NemoMOm]

Does anyone know if this is a new policy?

I've been using the rooms for 5 years and the signs have always been there. We also went one time when there was no one in the nursing room or in the baby care center and my DH came to the nursing door to hand me a drink and the CM would not let him, despite the fact that there was no one else around. That was when DS was 6 mos, now 5

 

[Beckypooh1972]

I mean I read on here about people using them for far more than babies. going in with 2,3,4,even a 5 yr olds just because they don't want to go to a reg bathroom, get out of the heat,etc.

As a Mom to toddlers I feel fine about using the baby care centers even though my kids are not technically babies anymore. I have used them to change diapers and give a snack and refill our water bottles with cold water from their cooler. It was nice to have a place the 4 of us could all go - my hubby and I could diaper the kids side by side, take turns using the rest rooms there, take a few mins out of the heat, and get on with our day. I would note that I wouldn't hang out there just to let my kids watch a whole movie though. For any child of "meltdown" age the baby care centers can be a great place to make those important little pit stops that prevent the meltdowns.

 

[littlbugmom]

Does anyone know if this is a new policy?

Curious because I was never told no while bottle feeding.

I also wanted to add this:

I don't know if it is when we visit or what.... but I am pretty sure I have only seen another family in the Baby Center ONCE in all the times we have used it.

I think we travel during a "baby" heavy travel time in September/October and again in April/May after peak season or March before peak season. Usually a good time to travel with toddlers.

So I wonder how much of a problem this can really be that Disney would need a policy on BF vs BottleFeeding and who is let in. Maybe at certain times of year?[/QUOTE]


Disney doesn't have a policy on BF vs Bottlefeeding. They have a policy on who is allowed in the nursing room of the BabyCare Center.

I don't think Disney created the policy of "nursing moms only" in response to a problem in the BabyCare Center. I think it is likely that they put the room aside to please the people who don't want to see nip and the moms who asked for a private place to nurse. Because the room is small, they came up with the policy of only nursing mothers using it.

It sounds like you are saying that because the Center never seems busy when you have visited, the nursing room policy might be unnecessary.

The potential for the room to fill up is there. Whether that happens once in awhile, once a month, only at Christmas etc....I doubt Disney has ever seen the need to determine if or how often that room fills up. I doubt it matters. The room is there for nursing moms and I'm guessing Disney is looking at it like that. They are able to say that they provide a private area for bfing. They also provide a place for parents to bottle feed their babies.

The difference between the 2 rooms comes down to amenities offered. The nursing room has rocking chairs and less light. The main room has a tv, microwave, sofa..etc... Disney could easily change the amenities to match the needs of the most vocal guests without denying a nursing mother the opportunity to nurse in private.