I Understand Why Animals/Birds Kick Out Their Young

MIGrandma

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This is a vent, but since I'm putting this out here for everyone to read I know I'm bound to get all kinds of opinions. I've hesitated to speak about what's on my mind but last night was "the last straw." I'm giving you fair warning as this will probably be a long post. :)

Our DS is 34 years old. He has been out on his own (as in with his own house or apartment, and either a wife or live-in girlfriend) since he was 18. He had a good paying job (he was a salaried employee, a production manager at an auto parts manufacturing company) for about 10 years but got to where he hated it more and more each day so he put his resume out to find something better. Better pay, better insurance, so he took the job. He was there 5 months then Michigan's economy took a huge nosedive when the rest of the country's economy tanked as well. They downsized and he was let go.

He decided to go to truck driving school, and was hired by a trucking company soon after to drive over-the-road, long distance, for them. He liked the job, but hated being away from his family (he has 3 children) for long periods of time. Then over the winter freight slowed down so he wasn't making much, if any, money. He was leasing his own truck so sometimes he even had a negative paycheck. Can't pay bills that way. So he gave it up and came back to Michigan to work at a local grain elevator (he worked there last summer as well). He had given up his house (renting) when he took the trucking job, so we let him move back in here with us until he can make enough $$ to get his own place again.

Big mistake.

He is also using my vehicle until he can get one of his own.

Big mistake.

But how do you say no to your own kid? We want to help him get back on his feet, but he's sucking us dry. :(

He works 10-14 hour days, 6 days a week. He has a new girlfriend and he's so enthralled with her that he's making poor decisions. We try to keep our mouths shut, but I'm afraid we're going to have to talk to him about some of the decisions he's making. And we're going to have to set some rules, and some he probably won't like but we're going to tell him "as long as you're sleeping under our roof..."

He hit a deer, or rather the deer hit my car, about a week ago on his way home from work. We didn't think it did that much damage, but the estimate came in at $1100 so more than we thought. We have a $100 deductible so that's all we have to pay and of course he doesn't have the money since he is saving for a vehicle/apartment so it comes out of our pocket. :(

But like I said the "last straw" was last night. Sometimes I sleep on the couch in the family room because I'm watching TV and too lazy to get up and go to bed...so last night at 2:00 in the morning I wake up with a start and sit right up because someone is walking around near the couch! It was our son, said he was sorry to wake me...

His girlfriend (she is 22, he is 34...we kinda have a problem with THAT too) called him because she was at her best friend's and had drank too much alcohol to drive herself home. He had told her if that happened to call him and he would come and take her home. I told him I didn't want her throwing up in my car, and he said he would take her home in her own car and just leave mine at her friend's. So, how did he get to work this morning at 7:00? Did he drive her car? I'm sure she was in no shape to get up and drive him to her friend's to get my car at 6:00 in the morning, so my car sits in some girl's driveway now. And how is he getting home from work? She's a nurse and has to be at work at 3:00, he won't get out of work until 6:00 or later this evening.

We (my DH and I) are just so TIRED of it. We're going to have to sit down with him and talk, I know. I hate to, but we're TIRED of all the DRAMA. Like I said, he's sucking us dry, causing our hair to go gray, raising our blood pressure, etc. I'm going to tell him he can use my car to get back and forth to work, and for anything related to his children, but for everything else he will have to find another way. He is paying for his own gas, but still putting miles and wear and tear on my car, which is 11 yeas old and has 145,000 miles on it so it's rapidly wearing out.

We have property up north that we like to go to in the summer. We have not gone up there to stay because we're concerned about what will go on in our house when we're not here. We do not want his girlfriend, her kids and her dog to stay here. We do not want him to have his friends over for card/beer drinking parties. We feel like we can't get away, we have to stay home and babysit....a 34 year old grown man. :(

Like I said, I'm starting to understand why birds kick their babies out of the nest, and why animals push their young out on their own. We love our son, and want to help him get back on his feet, but enough is enough.

Thanks for listening.
 
No words of advice (heavens knows we have our own issues here). Just wanted to reach out and give you hugs and well wishes. :hug:
 
I know how parents want the best for their kids and will help out when it is most needed, however, he's a grown man who's capable of making decisions on his own. I think you are enabling him. This could go on FOREVER! It's too easy for him, if he really had to struggle, he would find a way. I lost my job a few months ago. It gave me so much drive to find a new job,I pay my rent, car and other bills on my own. I think it's time to give him a date to move out.
 
No sage words of advice, just a :hug: from one mom to another.
 

:hug:

You know what to do. It is time for a come to Jesus talk with your ...ahem... "child".

It is time for a deadline. Why would he move out? He has it made in the shade.

He can certainly afford a cheap beater car since he is not paying for ANYTHING. We just paid $500 for one and put new tires on it and it's good to go. He could too.

Stand up for your self girl.
 
Based on what you said about your son in his earlier years, he sounds like he was pretty responsible, job-wise, but had some bad luck. I can see why you took him in. Anyone probably would have given that he gave you no reason to think he'd just get on his feet and get out.

But, you're right, he's gone too far. He's lapsed back to being a 16 y/o and that part of it has to stop.
 
I think that it was nice of him to drive the girl home but if he's going to help someone out that way he should use his own vehicle.

I sympathize with your situation. I suggest having a serious talk. I wouldn't use the "while under my roof..." bit necessarily but I'd tell him that my car is off limits and he needs to set a deadline for moving out.
 
Well he seems to be working lots of hours. If you know how much he makes, figure out how much he has and what he needs to move out. Look at craigslist for rooms to rent or the paper for apts, and circl things he can afford, and tell him you have x number to move out. We love you but we need our own space. If there is an end date then he will know he has to move that much quicker. Circle used cars too!!

Good luck!
 
Time for him to move out. I cannot believe he did not pay the $100 deductible. That was selfish of him. He has to have $100 and if he does not then he has bigger problems with his money management.
 
Well, I would ask to see his bills, expenses, where every penny is going. If he refused, I would kick him on the spot.

In fact, I would do that before I allowed an older child move back home.

Then I would tell them that I am taking their paychecks and paying off this and saving this etc....I am sure he has to pay child support here. But I would make sure all expenses are being paid. Then he would get an allowance that I deem appropriate.

Those are our conditions. Take it or leave it. Is it harsh, yea. But if I am going to let you here to get back on your feet, I am making damn sure you are getting back on your feet.

Now if the child in question was truly saving and showed us they are responsible with their plan of action, I would not be so harsh with my conditions. Or if they were overcoming death, divorce, abuse, etc. my conditions would change. Depends on the situation.

Get together with your DH, write out a plan of action that you BOTH agree on, have a meeting with your son and then stick to the agreement.:hug::hug::hug::hug:

PS...the "alcohol excuse" was a booty call. She could have called a cab.
 
we let him move back in here with us until he can make enough $$ to get his own place again.

He works 10-14 hour days, 6 days a week.

How long ago did he move back in with you?

He works 60+ hours a week. If he moved back home several months ago, he most likely has enough money saved to move out and buy a clunker.


Time for him to move out. I cannot believe he did not pay the $100 deductible. That was selfish of him. He has to have $100 and if he does not then he has bigger problems with his money management.

You're not kidding! I would of had my hand out, saying "You hit the deer, you're paying the deductible".
 
With him working so much, I wonder if he's paying off some debts? It doesn't sound like he has time to spend his income and most guys his age would feel pretty helpless without their own car. Odd.
 
Look on the bright side, at least he's working and not playing xbox in your basement all day! I've heard those horror stores before! Good luck, though, I would be frustrated, too!
 
Thanks, everyone, for your replies. And for not beating me up. :laughing:

I do want to clarify he did not move back home that long ago. It was April 14 to be exact so not quite 3 weeks. He turned his truck in, it was inspected and he got the all-clear, and he was on an Amtrak train home the next day.

He did not start the job at the grain elevator until April 19, his 34th birthday to be exact so he has not had much time to save up any $$$ to buy a vehicle.

He was going to buy a beater truck for $500 or so, he was looking locally and on Craig's List before he started the job but DH and I told him not to buy a piece of junk that he would just have to be spending $$ on for parts and not being able to use it when it was broken down, etc. So I guess that was our fault for him not getting his own vehicle sooner. We told him to wait until he had a paycheck or two (we are not making him pay rent to us) and get something a little more decent and reliable.

And I honestly don't mind him using my car to go back and forth to work, or to pick up his kids to bring them out here (they are 16, 14 and 4), or go to their sports things, etc. But it's the extra miles he's putting on to go see his girlfriend, take her home when she's drunk (and she could not call a cab as someone else suggested, she lives in a very small town, smaller than the one we live in, there is no such service out here in the boonies) that bothers us.

We did not want to have to sit down with him and talk about all these things, we both hate confrontation. But I know we're going to have to. Like I said, he's sucking us dry and we're getting too old for it. :laughing:
 
So it's really the girlfriend that bothers you? I can see that, she is awfully young. Have you met her?
 
So it's really the girlfriend that bothers you? I can see that, she is awfully young. Have you met her?

Yeah, I want to hear more about her too. How many children does a 22 year old have??? But she works as a nurse? At least she sounds a little bit reponsible. Maybe if you kick him out he could move in with her and be out of your hair.

He absolutely needs to pay the $100. deductible out of his money.

Hugs and more hugs. :grouphug:
 
So it's really the girlfriend that bothers you? I can see that, she is awfully young. Have you met her?

Yes, we have met her a few times. She seems nice, that's not the problem. She's just so very immature. She is only 22 and already has 2 children (I think they are 5 and 4 or something like that) from a previous relationship (she had her first child when she was still in high school). But it seems like other people (the children's father, her own father, her own mother, babysitters, etc.) have her children more than she does herself so that bothers us.

As well as her love for drinking and partying. We just don't feel she's really ready for a relationship with our son. Of course we don't say anything to him, because that is really none of our business...until he is taking my car at 2:00 in the morning to pick her up because she's too drunk to drive home. :mad:

It just seems like he's not thinking with the head that he has on his shoulders, if you know what I mean. She says jump, he says how high? With him working such long hours he needs his sleep.

And the age difference wouldn't bother me in the slightest, if she were more mature. Heck, our 16 year old granddaughter has more maturity than this new girlfriend does....sigh...

It's just so hard to know how much to say, without alienating him. I mean, we don't want him to be mad, but we know we're going to have to make some rules before things get any more out of hand than they already are. :(
 
Yeah, I want to hear more about her too. How many children does a 22 year old have??? But she works as a nurse? At least she sounds a little bit reponsible. Maybe if you kick him out he could move in with her and be out of your hair.

He absolutely needs to pay the $100. deductible out of his money.

Hugs and more hugs. :grouphug:

Oh, I already asked him when he was moving in with her. :laughing:

I just figured that was the next step. But she already does have another roommate (female).

But, if we set down some rules that he doesn't like, he may change his mind and move in with her. Who knows. It's all just so frustrating. And we thought we were all done "raising" him. :laughing:
 
Well, I'd probably tell him that you've changed your minds and want to get him a beater afterall, that you didn't realize he'd need your car as much as he does. No harm in a person changing their mind, afterall. I can see how he wouldn't have much money even working all those hours, I'm sure he's having child support deducted right off the top, and for 3 kids that can't be cheap. But I'd let him know that as soon as he has the money to buy a beater, and can find one, he needs to get the car.

I'd also start charging him a small amount of rent. Nothing much, say $100 a month to help cover increased utility and food costs. Helping him out is fine, but ony if you can really afford to do so. A small amount of rent will help defray your costs while still allowing him to save and get back on his feet.

I'd also ask him to set a deadline for moving out. Baring external events (a pay cut, or unexpected major expense, etc.) then whatever date he picks, he needs to be out by then. If he can't or won't pick a date, then tell him you're picking one for him.
 
Hmmm ... he doesn't sound like a bad kid to me :confused3 . Honestly, I think that your "last straw" was actually a very nice of him to do. I'm glad that he agreed to pick her up and not allow her to drive home drunk.

I think you need to sit and think about what is really bothering you. I'm having a hard time trying to figure how how he's "sucking you dry" in only 2-3 short weeks. I don't think it's the car since it's old and has tons of miles on it and you obviously don't need it yourself. It's not that he's in your basement playing x-box and eating you out of house and home because he's working 60 hours a week.

If it's really the GF, I have to tell you that you can't control that. All the dating rules (for a 34 year old!) in the world won't help and they will, in fact, push him toward her even faster.

I think the best course of action is to come up with a plan on getting him back on his feet and on his own again. It sounds like he is doing a great job at it now so I don't think you'll have a long time to wait. {{hugs}}
 


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