I need to say this someplace ~ I feel better saying it here....

Karrie Davis

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SO. This is the silliest place to post my feelings but I just need to put them someplace and get feedback from many different people. Maybe it will help and maybe it wont but what the heck! I need to put my feeling SOMEPLACE.

I am married to a really great man. He is a good person, helpful to those who need help, cares about my family more then his own, a great provider and I think for the most part just a great guy. We have been married for almost 17 years, we got married YOUNG, I just turned 35 last week.

The problem is I am so lonely and have been almost our whole marriage :( He does not talk to me or really anyone else actually. He had almost no input into any part of our lives. He actually would not even house shop with me for our last 2 houses, he just came to the closing and signed the papers, it is the same with cars, vacations and everything. We can't talk about anything, especially not personal things. He like me around but thinks that makes a relationship, I am lonely.... He is also a work-aholic and works 7 days a week. He is not able to spend any time with us becasue he says he is tired. He chose to do this about 8 years ago. We do take a 2 week vacation every winter to Disney together :) and we have fun but he still is on the phone with work and if we were not at Disney he would want to hang on the coach and watch TV the whole time. If it was not for out son I don't believe he would even go at all. AND on a even more personal note, he is not that into "intimacy" either and can go months, maybe even forever without. I truly believe he is not having an afair though.

3 years ago he said he thought we should get a divorce because he knew I was not truly happy and that he did not have it in him to do what it takes to have that kind of marriage where I would be happy, that he would make sure I could afford to keep the house, give me full custody of our son (as long as he could spend time with him) and that I would not need to worry.

The issue is that I love him and he is not a bad person. But he is not a good husband.

Our son is 6 1/2, he loves his dad but jokes all the time about how boring he is and that he never does anything with him or us as a family. We have started taking small mini vacations without him this year because he would never go. I love my son and I am not going anyplace right now. There will come a day when I can't stay because I am actually too lonely and lonely with someone hurts a lot. There will be a day when my son has a life all his own and even though he is 6 it will happen so fast even in the next 5 years (with friends and sports and all that growing up stuff) where the loneliness will be to much.

It is SO on my mind though, I hate feeling this way. I have been taking to a therapist and also have in the past who has said it is not OK to stay just because he is a good man and that the time will come when I am ready to leave but even as I type this I am so sad and torn.

I own my own business and can do it with some help but I also love him AND know that it will always be this way.......... I am not ready to do anything yet but I am still scared for the future too.

Have you been though this?

Is a good man better then a good husband?

A note about my husband - he has gone to lots of therapy sessions himself and that is why he knows he can not give more. He has tried to learn to do it but is unable :( He does love me and our family though.
 
SO. This is the silliest place to post my feelings but I just need to put them someplace and get feedback from many different people. Maybe it will help and maybe it wont but what the heck! I need to put my feeling SOMEPLACE.

I am married to a really great man. He is a good person, helpful to those who need help, cares about my family more then his own, a great provider and I think for the most part just a great guy. We have been married for almost 17 years, we got married YOUNG, I just turned 35 last week.

The problem is I am so lonely and have been almost our whole marriage :( He does not talk to me or really anyone else actually. He had almost no input into any part of our lives. He actually would not even house shop with me for our last 2 houses, he just came to the closing and signed the papers, it is the same with cars, vacations and everything. We can't talk about anything, especially not personal things. He like me around but thinks that makes a relationship, I am lonely.... He is also a work-aholic and works 7 days a week. He is not able to spend any time with us becasue he says he is tired. He chose to do this about 8 years ago. We do take a 2 week vacation every winter to Disney together :) and we have fun but he still is on the phone with work and if we were not at Disney he would want to hang on the coach and watch TV the whole time. If it was not for out son I don't believe he would even go at all. AND on a even more personal note, he is not that into "intimacy" either and can go months, maybe even forever without. I truly believe he is not having an afair though.

3 years ago he said he thought we should get a divorce because he knew I was not truly happy and that he did not have it in him to do what it takes to have that kind of marriage where I would be happy, that he would make sure I could afford to keep the house, give me full custody of our son (as long as he could spend time with him) and that I would not need to worry.

The issue is that I love him and he is not a bad person. But he is not a good husband.

Our son is 6 1/2, he loves his dad but jokes all the time about how boring he is and that he never does anything with him or us as a family. We have started taking small mini vacations without him this year because he would never go. I love my son and I am not going anyplace right now. There will come a day when I can't stay because I am actually too lonely and lonely with someone hurts a lot. There will be a day when my son has a life all his own and even though he is 6 it will happen so fast even in the next 5 years (with friends and sports and all that growing up stuff) where the loneliness will be to much.

It is SO on my mind though, I hate feeling this way. I have been taking to a therapist and also have in the past who has said it is not OK to stay just because he is a good man and that the time will come when I am ready to leave but even as I type this I am so sad and torn.

I own my own business and can do it with some help but I also love him AND know that it will always be this way.......... I am not ready to do anything yet but I am still scared for the future too.

Have you been though this?

Is a good man better then a good husband?

A note about my husband - he has gone to lots of therapy sessions himself and that is why he knows he can not give more. He has tried to learn to do it but is unable :( He does love me and our family though.

My sister is currently going through a divorce from a man that sounds exactly like your husband.

She got tired of being all alone in her marriage and is divorcing him. Thankfully, they don't have any children.

I think at some point, you have to consider your feelings and how you feel. If you are truly unhappy and your DH has said it will never change, IMO it's time to move on.

I'm sorry. :hug:
 
I'm really sorry. I can see why you're so unhappy. I don't have advise for you (or anybody); every marriage is different. The fact that you are so torn about moving on tells me that you're NOT ready to move on. My sister is married to a man like your husband. He was like that when they were dating, but she was so in love with him, ya know. Nothing has changed.

I wish you peace and happiness. :hug:
 
Karrie,
I don't have any advice for you but wanted to send you a :grouphug:. I'm sorry your going through this. It sounds like it has been very hard on you.
 

The only advice I can think of is to become really busy yourself. Be involved during the day when your son is in school and perhaps you can encourage your husband to make time to go to dinner once a week with you and your son.
 
My Mama always said "if he ain't getting it from you, he is getting it from SOMEONE".

That said, your marriage definitely sounds over. You just have to get out of the comfortable zone you are in, and forge ahead. It sounds like you are on the verge of doing just that, good luck.
 
You sound like such a kind person. You did not bash him or bad mouth him one bit. Just think of how this post COULD have been written if you were bitter. You don't sound bitter to me, but you do sound sad. :hug:

I think you already know that he is never going to change, so either you accept that this is your life, or you decide that this does not have to be your life. Only you can decide that, and I can't imagine how difficult it must be. I'm so sorry, hon.
 
Everyone is different, so obviously this is just my opinion.

If you don't have any close friends around you, find some. Join a book club, an exercise class, maybe your therapist can recommend some sort of support group. Something. I know you're busy with a son and a business, but good friends can give good support and good input and I personally needed my closest friends to know when I was truly ready to leave a long term relationship that I was not happy in.

I'm not sure when you'll be ready to move on, but it sounds like you'll hit that point. Also, if you were separated, I have to wonder if your son's time with his dad would improve. Do you think your husband may make more of an effort with your son if you weren't there to pick up the slack?

These are just musings. I wish, as I'm sure we all do, that I had some perfect advice for you. I know that's not what you're looking for or expecting, but still, it'd be nice.

If don't know for sure what I would do if I were in your shoes, but I suspect I'd lean toward a trial separation. I suspect once separated for a while that you'd find yourself ready to move on without him.

Whatever happens... :hug:
 
Is it possible your husband could be suffering from clinical depression that hasn't been properly diagnosed? Sorry I don't have more advice, but I hope that things get better for you, no matter what you decide to do. 35 is way too young to accept things as they are. :hug:
 
Thanks everyone :) It felt good after posting this. My own dad and my step dad are jerks and honestly I am not sure if I even now WHAT is normal. I have friends who say be happy with what you have because their situation are worse in other ways. I have a husband who loves me but he is completely ambivalent about everything including the love he does have for me (if that even make sense).


Honestly I really do wish I could wave a magic wand (or toss some pixie dust :wizard: ) and make it all better. That way I could have my husband AND a good marriage/friend all in the same situation. This is a hard place to be. I feel like, actually I will eventually have to decide between a good guy who is not able to love me OR being alone. I am tired more then ever now.

I know I would find a good marriage one day, that is not my fear at all BUT it is my fear that I would never find someone who could love me and ALSO love my son while accepting that my son will be a big part of my life while he is young and he is so young still. That is my fear because my own step dad hated my sisters and I and the whole time tried to get my mom to chose him over us and really she did pick him over us kids :(

I do keep crazy busy, I own my own full time photography studio and I am writing my second book also. My business is growing like crazy and I am constantly planning ahead 9 months for marketing. But today and yesterday were office days and that lets my mind get thinking TOO much. Thinking is not a good thing right now, I need to keep SO busy.
 
I don't have any advice. Just passing on pixie dust to you. I hope you and your husband can figure something out to get you all out of your funk.
 
This sounds so familiar. A few months ago someone posted on here with a similar situation and the DISers diagnosed the spouse with Aspergers. I think her son had it so it seemed natural the dad could have it as well.

I don't remember how that all turned out - not good I believe. OP, I wish you better luck. You don't have to stay in a situation that makes you unhappy.
 
What made you marry this man in the first place? My husband is good man, father, lover, and partner so I feel bad for those who ended up with less than that in their marriage :(.
 
Karrie :hug:. Big :grouphug:.

I am frankly wowed by both of you. You - you are a definite catch (:goodvibes just in case you didn't know that AND we all need to be reminded once in awhile). I was WOWed by your insight and true LOVE for your husband and family.

And wow for your husband. Honestly. I think he deserves credit for looking at himself (through therapy) and being honest with you - that he doesn't think he can change. That takes strength. Lying or denying is much worse.

Your post made me think about a book that I read this year. It was given to me. It's title might send a few DISers into judgement. Unfortunately, it's called The Art of Selfishness. :laughing: But hold on - it was written in the 1930s - WAY BEFORE our narcissistic society came to be. And one thing that really grabbed me was this psychologist writing that we can indeed be with the wrong person for us and we have no expectation of business partners that don't work out together and try to work together over and over to call it quits (yes I know business isn't marriage - just the idea that we can never come to the point that two people can choose wrong). Why do we do this with marriage? Keep going and going and going and trying and trying and trying when in some cases we just chose the wrong person. Now I"m a firm believer in fighting for a marriage. I believe that some have no IDEA the beauty on the otherside of working through agonizing issues. And a lot of the time people divorce thinking my wife or husband did this or that or they're this or that when in fact it's our own crap or issue we're not facing.

And another thing he wrote that hit me - it's LOVING to free the other if it's not working despite trying to make it work. Because both people deserve to be with someone who thinks they are the greatest and to be truly loved. (Not your relationship OP - in fact it sounds like he loves you to suggest you go to be happy. )

But you both sound like you've looked at all that - personal issues -and maybe it's just not right. and you're both facing that.

Is he unhappy? I'm simply curious about his outlook. I also thought that the previous poster's thoughts about Asperger's are worth looking into.....

Also, not being wanted sexually (our partners not wanting sex I mean not your sexual attractiveness - although I bet it feels that way sometimes) - for a man or woman - is a killer and I don't think we face that enough. It's not good for our health or self esteem or happiness. To the PP - there have been studies that there are people who are truly asexual so not all are getting it elsewhere.

I'm just in awe of your courage Karrie. It takes a lot to admit and face. And I'm truly in awe. :hug:

All the best to you both.
 
Lisa, thank for your post.

My husband really is a great guy but this is how he grew up. He is the 5th of 5 kids and his parents actually slept in separate rooms, they did not talk to each other or their kids. None of the kids even talk to this day. His mom has been diagnosed with some personality disorder but I can't remember what it is. I feel bad for my husband, although I did not really have a great "relationship" guide my husband has bad example everywhere.

He does take medicine for depression and I know that is a small part of the intimacy issue. He was not always like that BUT it has been for along time.

I fell in love with him because he was sweet and although he was not outgoing he still talked to me. We had a really hard 1st few years, we were SO young (18 and 20) when we got married.
 


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