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Christy93

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Hi, I have a family of 5-three boys who are 2, 4 and 6 -myself and my husband. We went to the Poly last year and spent about $5000 for one vacation. Would it be in our best interest to just buy into DVC? I mean it looks like we would save money in the long run...but I'm just not sure. We're planning a trip back to Disney in Sept. and that will be about $4500. :rotfl2:

I have started reading through the threads and I am learning. Can anyone help me??? This is so overwhelming... :scared1:

Help Please!!!!

Christy
 
It's definitely worth looking into. Without really knowing your vacation patterns, type of room you want to have, and so forth, it's hard to really put it in black and white.

Basically with DVC you pay a fixed up-front price for a number of points. You then receive that allocation of points to use every year for your vacationing. Let's say you buy 150 points (which is the minimum) with a February Use Year. Every February 1st, you get 150 points to use. If you don't want to schedule a vacation one year, you can bank your points to the next year, giving you 300 to use on the following Feb 1st.

After the up-front price you then have to pay annual maintenance fees, which run about $4 per point. So, on 150 points, the dues would run about $600 per year.

The number of points you need for a given room will vary depending on a number of factors including resort, room size, season and even day of the week. There is a point calculator and point charts linked on this website that you can use to try and determine how many points would be right for you.

But just to illustrate, with 150 points you could spend 12 consecutive nights in a Studio room at Saratoga Springs about 5 months out of the year. A studio is comparable to a WDW Deluxe resort room with a queen bed and sofabed, in-room kitchenette (sink, fridge, microwave, toaster, coffee maker), balcony and access to free laundry facilities.

It will probably take you 6-8 years to break-even on the initial DVC investment. That's the point at which your initial investment plus annual maintenance fees equals what you would have paid if you had been paying cash for each trip. But after you've exceeded that breakeven point, you are vacationing at a fraction of the cost. Paying $600 per year for 12 nights in a deluxe room is probably a little better than the rates you got at the Poly, eh? :)

Potential downsides:
* From a practical standpoint, if you buy into DVC you need to accept the fact that you will spend the majority of your time at a DVC resort. That means Old Key West, Saratoga Springs, the Boardwalk, Beach Club or Wilderness Lodge. DVC does allow us to use points for non-DVC moderate or Deluxe resorts, but the trade-in costs are ridiculous. The Studio room I mentioned at SSR is 11 points per night for a weekday. A comparable room at the Poly is about 30 points per night. :earseek: That's just the nature of the beast.

* For a family your size, you would tecnically need to get a Two Bedroom accommodation. 2Bs are GREAT rooms, but they also cost a lot more points per night than, say, a studio. A 2B has a full kitchen, living room and two separate bedrooms. The master bedroom has a king size bed with whirlpool tub. The second bedroom will have either two queen beds or one queen and a sofabed. Each 2B has its own washer and dryer. They are fantastic accommodations, but they run a lot more than 11 points per night.

Some have reported that DVC increased the maximum occupancy on a One Bedroom from 4 to 5, which would accommodate your family. 1Bs are great, too. They still have the full kitchen, LR, balcony, W/D, whirlpool tub. But they were designed to sleep 4--they have a king bed and a pull-out sofabed in the living room. DVC resorts do not provide cots or rollaways, nor do they provide linens for more than the posted occupancy level.

Good luck. Ask more questions.
 
you will have more room in a DVC resort than the Polyn.

however unless you have limited vacation time - you might find that you are going more often - so you need more points....

Sept is off season - so you could stay in a 1-bedroom at OKW for 16 points a night (sun-thur), 40 points fri/sat - so 160 points for a week.
the two bedroom would be 22 points a night (sun-thurs), 54 points fri/sat, and 218 points for a week.

if you can start to stay only Sun-thur (leaving Fri morning) - you can save yourself several points.

the other WDW resorts will cost you more in points than OKW.

in your situation I would rent points first. You know try it before you buy it. and while you are staying in one DVC - go visit all the others. Sept is off season so most of the front desk will let you see a DVC room.

since you want the polyn - I would look for a good rental at VWL - VWL will cost you more point wise (so money wise) - one bedroom is 22 points (sun-thurs), 45 points (fri/sat) - so 200 points for the week.
two bedroom is 30 points (sun-thur), 60 points(fri/sat) so 270 points for the week.

since you are unsure I would definitely try it before you buy it.
 
spiceycat said:
in your situation I would rent points first. You know try it before you buy it. and while you are staying in one DVC - go visit all the others.

Excellent suggestion.

I'd stay at Old Key West. It is the most spacious resort and has the lowest point requirements per night. If you fall in love with OKW, you'll get the most bang for your buck.

Take the formal tour of Saratoga Springs, and also visit the Boardwalk area and Wilderness Lodge, time permitting. They are all fantastic resorts.
 

We were just like your family! Three kids, we always stayed Deluxe with the package that included tickets and the silver plan. We had a vacation planned for the Poly and just decided DVC would be a much better way for us to go. We called a guide who gave us lots of info on how the points work and how many we would need, etc. WE almost bought Saratoga Springs (SSR) (the only one Disney is selling right now) but then decided to buy a resale at Boardwalk Villas (BWV). You get to book your "home" resort 11 mos ahead and all non home resorts at 7 mos. DH is fairly fanatical about the Epcot resort area and wanted to own there so we were sure we could always stay there. We contacted the Timeshare store (you can click on their link at the top of this page) and bought a resale at BWV.
One thing to be aware of is that even though the books say the occupancy is 4 in a 1 bedroom villa plus 1 under 3 in a pack and play, MS (member services) will let you book 5. So while your kids are young, a 1 bdr would be fine. All 5 of you will get room keys (for EE) and all 5 of you would be on the reservation. NO bedding for the 5th person would be provided, although MS told me you can request it for an extra charge. Our DVC guide told us to just bring an aerobed and sheets and I think that is what we would always do.
Our kids are 8, 6 and just turned 3. We plan to do 1 bdr stays the first 2 or 3 years and then switch to 2 bedroom stays. Although, MS told me 5 in a 1 bdr are allowed no matter what the ages are. The only reason I mention this is because we have friends with 3 kids who looked into but did not buy DVC because they have 3 kids and thought they would need to buy enough points for a 2 bdr stay right off the bat. I just wanted you to know that you did not neccesarily have to do this. You could buy some points and add others later (if you want). A DVC guide can explain all of this to you!
What appealed to us about DVC is the villas are larger than deluxe rooms. They have washers and dryers :) . Our vacations are pre-paid for pretty much the rest of our lives. We only need to buy tickets, airfare, and food from now on! You can call Disney for info and the video about DVC. You can have a guide call you and you can also look into resales if you want to own at a sold out resort, like VWL. Good luck! :flower:

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Hi:

We were in the same situation, although we have two kids. We always went to the Poly. Last year was our first year at SSR as DVC Members. The facility is great, pleanty of room, nice pools. But after we got home, the kids said: " When are we going back to the Poly". We plan to do that once in a while but that is very expensive.

We do like SSR and already have a trip book in October.
 
You can find some information regarding points costs/calculator and some other info at:

http://www.wdwinfo.com/disney-vacation-club/index.html#hm-dvc-nav

Given points run about $90 for SSR and sometimes less for the other resales, you can pick a time of year you normally go, see the point costs for the different resorts and room sizes, add them up (as a simple look or add maintenance costs of about $4 per point for more detail) to get a total output cost for the points. Then divide by the number of years and thats basically the cost for DVC lodging amortized out. Then compare to the cost for the Poly (or others).

Good Luck!

P.S. I just ran my numbers so you can see what I am talking about:

My wife and I bought 165 points at SSR this past January during the sale at $85/point for an initial outlay of $14,025. Maintenance fees for 2004 were $3.80. Thats a yearly total of $323 per year. Since there are 49 years on the contract, I multiply the $323 by 49 years to get an approximate lifetime Maintenance Fee total of about $15,827 (they will go up over the next 50 years I imagine, but just for sake of argument).

This leaves me with a total cash inut of $29,852. To find out my yearly amortized csts, I divide the total by 49 years for basically a yearly cost of $609.22/year (on paper). A big savings from $5,000 if that was only your lodging costs. At $5,000 per year, you would be able to pay off the initial purchase in 3 years and only have the maintenance fees to deal with.

What will my 165 points get me each year? Using the point charts linked above, at my home resort of SSR I can have:

- a weekly studio at any time of the year (even Christmas!).
- a one bedroom for 5 days any time of the year (Sun-Thurs or subsitute a weekend day instead).
- a Two bedroom for 5 days in Adventure, Choice or Dream Season.
- a Grand Villa for 2 days in Adventure, Choice or Dream Season.

Hope this helps!!
 
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Wow, thanks for all the great suggestions. I am going to look into OKW and SSR. Both of those look really nice. A one bedroom would be fine for now for us, but when the boys get a little older we would want a 2 bedroom. Do most of you stay at your "home" resort or switch around?

I'm going to go read more posts!

Thanks again!! ::MickeyMo ::MinnieMo ::MickeyMo ::MickeyMo ::MickeyMo
 
Christy93 said:
Do most of you stay at your "home" resort or switch around?

We switch around between our 3 home resorts, the BWV, BCV and VWL.

We are a family of 6 who made the decision to buy after spending $7,000.00 on a trip to the Polynesian. We have not regretted the decision for a minute.

Good luck.

HBC
 
Christy93 said:
Hi, I have a family of 5-three boys who are 2, 4 and 6 -myself and my husband.

With a family of 5 you just can't beat a WDW vacation in an OKW 2BR. With the ages of your sons now I don't think you'll regret it. When we bought in 1992 we had a DS5 and twin DDs3. After all these years I still think that DVC was the best thing I ever bought.

You'll find a lot of threads here from some very astute number crunchers. They'll use their figures and charts to back up both side of the argument of whether buying into DVC is a savings or not. If you assume that you are going to take the same number of trips whether you join or not, then I think that you do save money. In my case I know that we took more trips than we would have if we had not joined. That said, I have no regrets at all, but in the long run I spent more money at Disney than I would have had I not joined. So saving money is not the determining factor in my satisfaction with DVC.

If I compare my first trip with all of us crammed into a typical hotel room at the Dolphin with all of my subsequent trips in a 2BR "Home," there is just no comparison. Buying into DVC should not be considered an investment (Allthough I could sell now for profit, that could change) it is committing your vacation dollars to Disney while upgrading the quality of your accomodations.
If you are a Disney person, which there is a good chance of that if you found your way here, there is just no better way to go. Good luck on your decision!
 



















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