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SPG Biz has a nice high min. spend of $5k which hopefully will help slow your pace with Chase for a few months, earns you 25k + 5k for spend (or 90k Marriott if transferred), and no annual fee 1st year. PLUS if you got it now you could refer husband later and that application would then be worth 37,500 points (or 112,500 Marriott). It's easy to combine SPG and Marriott points between spouses too so you'd potentially have a ton of points there. I agree with @Albort too that these may go away soon so getting it now makes a lot of sense for all these reasons.
Do you think this is better than the 30,000 point offer with $3,000 spend on the personal SPG card when incognito? (I am able to pull up the 30,000 point offer). Does the fact it is a biz card outweigh the point difference?
 
I’m guessing between the SW Biz 60k offer and new 50k referral offer, now is a good time to go for SW CP?
The only better thing would be if the 60k on personal came back. 10k more points would be worth about $160. There's no timeframe listed on the 50k referrals soooo hard to say how long they'll be around. If I were going for it now...(unfortunate that I can't yet)...I would probably get the biz first at 60k and see if anything changes with the personal in the next month or so...but of course you're risking it going back down to 40k.
 
Do you think this is better than the 30,000 point offer with $3,000 spend on the personal SPG card when incognito? (I am able to pull up the 30,000 point offer). Does the fact it is a biz card outweigh the point difference?

the biz card gives u lounge access... other than that, its the same card.
 

Do you think this is better than the 30,000 point offer with $3,000 spend on the personal SPG card when incognito? (I am able to pull up the 30,000 point offer). Does the fact it is a biz card outweigh the point difference?
There's nothing preventing you from getting that personal card later. IF the goal is to stay off Chase's radar then the biz card is the way to go. It won't report as a new account (at times AMEX doesn't even do a credit pull although if you don't have a recent relationship with them you probably will at least get the hard pull on this one).

Also keep in mind the personal will use a 5/24 slot...I'm advising the biz card specifically to address the concern you have about hitting Chase too fast...this sounds more like a you decision than a me decision on what makes the most sense ;) lol!
 
Yes!! All of this!! I honestly donn't know what to tell her. So, if I'm understanding this correctly, the 50K is only available via referral, right? I want to tell her to SM to see if she can be matched on at least some of the cards, but if it's by referral only I don't really know how that would work.
I say this with much DIS love, ok? ...I'd stay the heck out of it as much as you can at this point. She is not cut out for this. What if the extra eyes on her account evaluating it for the referral results in Chase catching a red flag on their accounts that you know nothing about? They'll blame you. I'd go the "too bad about the referral offer but yay for flight points!" route. It just... It sucks she did that to you referral wise but most people just don't care like we do. As for CP, if you're not willing to put in the effort you don't deserve it. Gosh, I'm harsh today but that's how our game is played. She had an advantage in that you offered her the resources of knowledge and advice and all she had to do was pause but for her own personal reasons she chose not to take you up on that. Her call. Let it go as the song says :) (I've had a fam mem do this sort of thing to (not quite as spectacularly as your's did potentially missing out on a CP, just the referral part!) but it hurts.) Hopefully a stranger out there picks up the slack and uses your link someday!)
 
I say this with much DIS love, ok? ...I'd stay the heck out of it as much as you can at this point. She is not cut out for this. What if the extra eyes on her account evaluating it for the referral results in Chase catching a red flag on their accounts that you know nothing about? They'll blame you. I'd go the "too bad about the referral offer but yay for flight points!" route. It just... It sucks she did that to you referral wise but most people just don't care like we do. As for CP, if you're not willing to put in the effort you don't deserve it. Gosh, I'm harsh today but that's how our game is played. She had an advantage in that you offered her the resources of knowledge and advice and all she had to do was pause but for her own personal reasons she chose not to take you up on that. Her call. Let it go as the song says :) (I've had a fam mem do this sort of thing to (not quite as spectacularly as your's did potentially missing out on a CP, just the referral part!) but it hurts.) Hopefully a stranger out there picks up the slack and uses your link someday!)
I honestly didn't consider this angle and agree it has a lot of merit. If they do something to screw this up further with the SMs I wouldn't want to be the one to blame. They'll still get a nice haul of SW points that will provide their family over $2,600 in free flights...hopefully they can keep the 4 cards straight and make sure they hit all the min spends in time...lol.
 
The only better thing would be if the 60k on personal came back. 10k more points would be worth about $160. There's no timeframe listed on the 50k referrals soooo hard to say how long they'll be around. If I were going for it now...(unfortunate that I can't yet)...I would probably get the biz first at 60k and see if anything changes with the personal in the next month or so...but of course you're risking it going back down to 40k.

60k SW Biz + 50k SW Plus/Premier = 110k good for SW CP, right?

Really tempted to jump on this, but I was thinking I’d apply for the Marriott in a month or two when I finish my SPG Biz $10k spend considering the big changes expected to come to these two portfolios this year. If I go for the SW Biz and one of the personal SW cards, I’ll be at only 4/24 with another slot opening in or after April...

I was shopping around for flights between SFO<>SNA to visit Disneyland over my DD’s spring break and found some great fares on Southwest and United as low as $49-69 one way. Of course SW > United Basic Economy, and having a CP would make the price point even sweeter. Not sure how long these prices will last, but I see SW has a sale right now.

I know that the CP is a better value the earlier in the year it’s aquired so you have closer to two full years of use. I don’t really see a better time to go for the CP. As is, I’ve switched my Amex airline fee credits to Southwest so with fares like these, one trip for our family of 3 would be mostly covered by gift cards bought with those credits. Even if I don’t get or use the CP in time for spring break, maybe having the CP might encourage more trips? Not sure longer term. I suppose SW flights to Hawaii are on the horizon for 2018-19, but as you all know my wife is partial to Hawaiian Airlines for that.
 
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60k SW Biz + 50k SW Plus/Premier = 110k good for SW CP, right?

Really tempted to jump on this, but I was thinking I’d apply for the Marriott in a month or two when I finish my SPG Biz $10k spend considering the big changes expected to come to these two portfolios this year.

I was shopping around for flights between SFO<>SNA to visit Disneyland over my DD’s spring break and found some great fares on Southwest and United as low as $49-69 one way. Of course SW > United Economy Basic Economy, and having a CP would make the price point even sweeter. Not sure how long these prices will last, but I see SW has a sale right now.

I know that the CP is a better value the earlier in the year it’s aquired so you have closer to two full years. I don’t really see a better time to go for the CP. As is, I’ve switched my Amex airline fee credits to Southwest so with fares like these, one trip for our family of 3 would be mostly covered by gift cards bought with those credits. Even if I don’t get or use the CP in time for spring break, maybe having the CP might encourage more trips? Not sure longer term. I suppose SW flights to Hawaii are on the horizon for 2018-19, but as you all know my wife is partial to Hawaiian Airlines for that.
Yeah 60k+50k gets you there with 4k points on the spend to boot! In my experience with dozens of Southwest flights I find the cpp to be roughly 1.61 so this is going to get you over $1,800 in flights AND with the CP your return is even higher. I know before I said I might wait and see if the 60k comes along on the personal cards again BUT in retrospect...thats only $160 worth of points and why risk it when the return is soooo good already!

Regarding more trips...having a CP definitely encouraged more trips with me lol! When you haven't paid for a flight in years its easy to say - let's do a weekend in Orlando, lol. Speaking of those $49 fares...that trip would be less than 3k pts one way, less than 6k round trip! So do the math...your family of 3 could basically buy almost 10 Round Trip flights at that price on the points and CP while only spending $11.20 in tax/fees each trip.
 
Ok, Southwest can wrap up their end of year processing anytime and get my first bonus posted! I can see it on my SW statement just need them to land in my account. And my 2nd statement posts tomorrow. I am definitely impatient since I need to book Spring Break flights!
 
Yeah 60k+50k gets you there with 4k points on the spend to boot! In my experience with dozens of Southwest flights I find the cpp to be roughly 1.61 so this is going to get you over $1,800 in flights AND with the CP your return is even higher. I know before I said I might wait and see if the 60k comes along on the personal cards again BUT in retrospect...thats only $160 worth of points and why risk it when the return is soooo good already!

Regarding more trips...having a CP definitely encouraged more trips with me lol! When you haven't paid for a flight in years its easy to say - let's do a weekend in Orlando, lol. Speaking of those $49 fares...that trip would be less than 3k pts one way, less than 6k round trip! So do the math...your family of 3 could basically buy almost 10 Round Trip flights at that price on the points and CP while only spending $11.20 in tax/fees each trip.

Alright, now you’ve got me thinking...

I do have an eBay “business” that needs a credit card so I don’t commingle expenses with my consulting gigs. Over $9k in sales last year! And it’s been about half a year since I picked up my last Chase business card. Hmmm...
 
Southwest fans, while I mull over what I’m going to do with their current credit card offerings, if I go ahead and book tickets paying the cash fare (including gift cards), how’s the refund policy?

If I get the CP And bonus points in a few months, can I cancel my cash/gift card reservation and rebook at whatever is the then-current fare using the CP and points? Does the companion have to travel with a passenger on a cash fare, or can the primary passenger have paid for his ticket using points?

Thanks!
 
Southwest fans, while I mull over what I’m going to do with their current credit card offerings, if I go ahead and book tickets paying the cash fare (including gift cards), how’s the refund policy?

If I get the CP And bonus points in a few months, can I cancel my cash/gift card reservation and rebook at whatever is the then-current fare using the CP and points? Does the companion have to travel with a passenger on a cash fare, or can the primary passenger have paid for his ticket using points?

Thanks!
I'm sure you're looking at Wanna Get Away fares which are non-refundable. You can cancel, and you will receive a CREDIT for the full amount of the fare. This credit can only be used by the traveler on the original reservation and must be used within one year of the original date of purchase. EXAMPLE: You buy a flight in your name for $100 on 1/2/18 to fly on 4/25/18, if you cancel after 24 hours, you will receive a credit for $100 that only you can use (name must match), and the credit is only good for flights on or before 1/2/19.

What you're trying to do in the second paragraph (cancel and rebook) is not possible unfortunately. That said - the cancellation policy when using points is PHENOMENAL so once you earn the points you're in a great place!

Regarding a CP ticket - you can add a companion to a cash fare OR a ticket purchased with points. It does not matter either way. AND it doesn't matter what the fare costs when adding a companion either - as long as their is at least 1 seat at ANY price point you can add your companion.
 
Southwest fans, while I mull over what I’m going to do with their current credit card offerings, if I go ahead and book tickets paying the cash fare (including gift cards), how’s the refund policy?

If I get the CP And bonus points in a few months, can I cancel my cash/gift card reservation and rebook at whatever is the then-current fare using the CP and points? Does the companion have to travel with a passenger on a cash fare, or can the primary passenger have paid for his ticket using points?

Thanks!
You will get a “voucher/credit” for the amount that needs to be used within a year from the date of purchase of the ticket. So if you buy today 1/2/18 for $102 and you cancel on 3/31/18 so we need to spend those funds by 1/1/19. That you means you have to fly by then not just have a ticket purchased. It is also refunded to the specific person. So if you purchase 3 tickets, person 1 would have to use those funds, person 2, etc. It wouldn’t be $306 to use however. Also, if you had booked early bird, those funds are not returned in any manner. I much prefer the points route. If you think you would be getting CP, you could always take your chances that the flight is not full and book the CP at a later time. Since if you buy the future CP a ticket then how would you spend their funds?
 
I'm sure you're looking at Wanna Get Away fares which are non-refundable. You can cancel, and you will receive a CREDIT for the full amount of the fare. This credit can only be used by the traveler on the original reservation and must be used within one year of the original date of purchase. EXAMPLE: You buy a flight in your name for $100 on 1/2/18 to fly on 4/25/18, if you cancel after 24 hours, you will receive a credit for $100 that only you can use (name must match), and the credit is only good for flights on or before 1/2/19.

What you're trying to do in the second paragraph (cancel and rebook) is not possible unfortunately. That said - the cancellation policy when using points is PHENOMENAL so once you earn the points you're in a great place!

Regarding a CP ticket - you can add a companion to a cash fare OR a ticket purchased with points. It does not matter either way. AND it doesn't matter what the fare costs when adding a companion either - as long as their is at least 1 seat at ANY price point you can add your companion.

You will get a “voucher/credit” for the amount that needs to be used within a year from the date of purchase of the ticket. So if you buy today 1/2/18 for $102 and you cancel on 3/31/18 so we need to spend those funds by 1/1/19. That you means you have to fly by then not just have a ticket purchased. It is also refunded to the specific person. So if you purchase 3 tickets, person 1 would have to use those funds, person 2, etc. It wouldn’t be $306 to use however. Also, if you had booked early bird, those funds are not returned in any manner. I much prefer the points route. If you think you would be getting CP, you could always take your chances that the flight is not full and book the CP at a later time. Since if you buy the future CP a ticket then how would you spend their funds?

Thanks! That sounds like it could work for me. I’ll have to learn a little more, look at the cards, and look at our anticipated spending for the next few months before applying. I don’t see any SW Biz links in the DISchurning referrals?
 
Awesome! That sounds like it could work for me. I’ll have to look at the cards and look at our anticipated spending for the next few months before applying. I don’t see any SW Biz links in the DISchurning referrals?
Southwest Biz does not have referrals to my knowledge, just the Plus and Premier.

Obviously right now your risk is those flights increase in price...I can't really give any advice on what to do but keep this in mind, you could book 2 tickets cash now and add the companion later for free still. What flights (cities and dates) are you looking at? I'll take a look and give you my opinion on what I see pricingwise to determine your risk of waiting vs. booking now on cash.
 
Southwest fans, while I mull over what I’m going to do with their current credit card offerings, if I go ahead and book tickets paying the cash fare (including gift cards), how’s the refund policy?

If I get the CP And bonus points in a few months, can I cancel my cash/gift card reservation and rebook at whatever is the then-current fare using the CP and points? Does the companion have to travel with a passenger on a cash fare, or can the primary passenger have paid for his ticket using points?

Thanks!
If I were in your shoes I would jump at the chance for a SW CP. I LOOOOVVEEE SW SMF to SNA for my DLR trips. They also fly into LGB which can be helpful when the SNA fares are high. The great thing about booking with SW points is that they are automatically redeposited into your account if you need to cancel a trip (up to 10 min before boarding!) or re-book at a lower fare. If you have to cancel a cash fare you will not get a refund, instead you will get a credit that needs to be used within a year and only for the person who the original fare was booked for.

Alas, I am lol/24 so not eligible for any new Chase cards for awhile, but I have read a lot about the CP. You can use points to book the fare, the companion needs to travel with the primary passenger, and you can change your companion up to 3 times per year. Maybe you could convince your wife to fly Hawaiian out to Hawaii but SW back to the mainland?

Speaking of Hawaii, thank you for posting all the info about your Christmas trip. I've looked into some pricing and it's just so ridiculously expensive during the holidays that I'm not sure we can make it happen. We could possibly swing it for just our small family of 3 but we wanted the extended fam to join us. We'll see. We have a year to get all the points in place and see where that gets us. You asked about staying in Waikiki...we did a split stay in early November, 3 nights in at the Outrigger Waikiki Beach Resort and then moved to Aulani for 3 nights. We LOVED Waikiki! We were upgraded to the Diamond Head suite at the Outrigger and it was pure bliss to wake up to the ocean right below us and Diamond Head in the distance. There are other great options right there on the beach...Sheraton Waikiki, Royal Hawaiian and Moana Surfrider, which are all SPG/Marriott properties so totally doable on points. We are dying to go back!
 
Southwest Biz does not have referrals to my knowledge, just the Plus and Premier.

Obviously right now your risk is those flights increase in price...I can't really give any advice on what to do but keep this in mind, you could book 2 tickets cash now and add the companion later for free still. What flights (cities and dates) are you looking at? I'll take a look and give you my opinion on what I see pricingwise to determine your risk of waiting vs. booking now on cash.

Last week of March, SFO<>SNA. We’re pretty flexible with all week.
 
Last week of March, SFO<>SNA. We’re pretty flexible with all week.
So I know nothing about this route - but poking around it looks like your risk of waiting is these flights go up to $74 or $99. So you could potentially book now on cash and lock in that $49 each way...OR you could wait, try to earn the signup bonus on one card quickly and book on points but risk paying more (no guaranties but likely $74 or $99 if they go up). You could also book 2 of the tickets each way and wait and try to earn the CP and add that for free later...

I don't like to give advice with other people's money...but you have a lot of options depending on what you want to risk. There are even some more complex options that would be hard to explain even haha. IF you have some extra URs laying around you could also convert them to Southwest and get them free that way. Let me know if you have any other questions, I've played the southwest booking game for 10+ years and think it's one of my areas of expertise here.
 
I don’t really “like” this, but I can sympathize. I feel like every time I try to help people with this, I end up wanting to smash (one of our) heads against the wall. People don’t like to be told what to do and don’t realize what a delicate game this is. The worst is when they mess up or don’t listen and then come back to complain to you - as if it’s your fault. No thanks.

I was helping out a family member who was using a debit card for everything when they had a Cap One Quicksilver card that earns 1.5% cash back. We got on the subject of points/miles and credit cards. I explained why using debit cards was a bad idea in any situation and that they were better protected when it came to fraud by using a credit card and could also be earning cash back for their purchases on their QS card. I explained that they should treat their credit card like a debit card. Make a purchase that they have the money to pay for with the credit card, go home get online and send a payment to the credit card from their bank for that amount. The family member agrees this is a great idea and we go our separate ways. Fast forward a few months later and we are together again and eating out at dinner. I see this family member pull out their debit card to pay the bill. I asked why they weren't using their QS card. This person has the unmitigated gall to tell me that they tried it "my way" and wound up racking up credit card debt on that card and were trying to pay it down. Uhm, no! You did not try it "my way" if you had, you would have never bought anything you didn't have the money to pay for. If your were paying your credit card from your checking account right away this would not have happened. I explained "my way" and you chose "your way" so don't blame me. Ugh!
 
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