I Lied for the Princesses

Exactly. And they do those 4 or 5 ressies for each not of their stay.

Disney needs to charge a no-show fee on every ressie. And limit you to one ressie only for each meal preiod (bkfst/lunch/din).

I wouldn't be against the no-show fee on every ressie.

But, they can't limit people to 1 ADR per meal period. People do have legit reasons for making double reservations (splitting their party up). Also, someone might want to have a 4:00 "lunch" (technically a dinner) and then a late "dinner" at 9:00 (possible at Epcot).
 
I wouldn't be against the no-show fee on every ressie.

But, they can't limit people to 1 ADR per meal period. People do have legit reasons for making double reservations (splitting their party up). Also, someone might want to have a 4:00 "lunch" (technically a dinner) and then a late "dinner" at 9:00 (possible at Epcot).


I can see your point about splitting your party up. However, I would also like to see them go back to only allowing resort guests to make ADRs. This way they can tie every ADR to your resort reservation (which should include all your party's info). So say you're a party of 8. You can split your party into 2 dinnder ressies at two locations if you wish - but the combined number of 'seats' for the two ressies should not be able to exceed 8.

As for someone wanting a late luch and dinner (both during "dinner" hours)...while a small number of people may want to do that, i would say that number would be too small to choose to accomodate them over the much larger number of people they would accomodate with the stricter rules.
 
We were actually TOLD by the CMs to put an even number, and they made them for us. For 2 of our reservations we were only able to get in as 4, not 3.
 
I didn't realize this would be such a hot topic or I might have kept my mouth shut.
For those of you who are angry, I understand. Just know that I will happily pay the $ for the missing person to get this reservation. Yes, it's that important to me.
For those of you not judging me, I appreciate all the honesty and the suggestions on how to work on reservations. Thanks guys!
 

I can see your point about splitting your party up. However, I would also like to see them go back to only allowing resort guests to make ADRs. This way they can tie every ADR to your resort reservation (which should include all your party's info). So say you're a party of 8. You can split your party into 2 dinnder ressies at two locations if you wish - but the combined number of 'seats' for the two ressies should not be able to exceed 8.

As for someone wanting a late luch and dinner (both during "dinner" hours)...while a small number of people may want to do that, i would say that number would be too small to choose to accomodate them over the much larger number of people they would accomodate with the stricter rules.

The problem with this is there will be resort guests who dine with other ones...for example, we have a lot of family in FL who will come to see us for the day while we are there. So we made some larger reservations because we know they are coming to dinner with us. :)
 
I didn't realize this would be such a hot topic or I might have kept my mouth shut.
For those of you who are angry, I understand. Just know that I will happily pay the $ for the missing person to get this reservation. Yes, it's that important to me.
For those of you not judging me, I appreciate all the honesty and the suggestions on how to work on reservations. Thanks guys!

I'm not angry and you are free to do things the way you want. I just know what it feels like to be disappointed for your kids when you know someone else bent the rules and you did things the proper way. I've been on both sides of this big/small party. Right now I'm on the 3 party side trying to book Le Cellier for the first time but being shut out Dec. 16-22nd. :( I'd like Disney to fix things but I really don't think they feel they need to. Don't let Disney see you'd be willing to pay, you know they could see another way to make money. :rotfl:

PS On the positive side, I'm glad I can check ADRs online. Save a lot of time on the phone.
 
I don't know if anyone is angry (I'm certainly not). I would never get angry or judge someone for playing within the rules that Disney has set up. I would just like the see some of those rules changed a little. Nothing wrong with a little friendly debate/discussion.
 
I can see your point about splitting your party up. However, I would also like to see them go back to only allowing resort guests to make ADRs. This way they can tie every ADR to your resort reservation (which should include all your party's info).

I don't want Disney to allow only resort guests to make ADR's.
I like to stay at Bonnet Creek every once in while. Am I not "allowed" to eat at Le Cellier??
 
I would also like to see them go back to only allowing resort guests to make ADRs.

And in the current climate, if they do that, it will have the effect of closing off at least the ultra-popular restaurant to anyone - meaning ANYONE if all seats have to be tied back to a resort reservation - who is not staying in a Disney resort. Locals, guests staying at Swan/Dolphin or Shades of Green, offsite guests, conventioners would all be excluded almost entirely. Onsite guests could not bring local friends or relatives to dine with them unless they included them on their resort reservation, which would mean they have to either have enough room capacity or end up buying them tickets and dining plan for a full stay on a package. I am sure Disney is not interested in going down that road.

It's not breaking any written Disney rule to do what the OP did - as long as she realizes she may have to pay for the missing person because she selected a restaurant that requires a guarantee. In fact I have Le Cellier booked for two in September but I have no idea if anyone is coming with me. (No no show fee there)
 
I don't want Disney to allow only resort guests to make ADR's.
I like to stay at Bonnet Creek every once in while. Am I not "allowed" to eat at Le Cellier??

You wouldn't be banned from the restaurant, you just wouldn't be able to make an ADR 180 days out.

I don't recall exactly how it used to work - back when they called them "priority seatings". But I believe it was something like that - where resort guests could make the ressies far in advance, but non-guests had to wait to a much closer time frame before they can make ressies too. I'm sure someone else has a better recollection of it than me.
 
And in the current climate, if they do that, it will have the effect of closing off at least the ultra-popular restaurant to anyone - meaning ANYONE if all seats have to be tied back to a resort reservation - who is not staying in a Disney resort.


Very much like how the current system closes off those ultra-popular to anyone who makes their plans inside of 180 days - resort guest or not?

Look...there's no perfect system out there. I think we can all agree on that. I'm just stating my preferences.
 
Disney has done what it had to do to make its resturants popular. I'm sure if they're reading they love what's going on here. People are fighting over their "right" to get a reservation at a Disney restaurant. Folks complained about the 90 day reservation window, it wasn't enough time. Others complain about the 180 day window, it's too much time. Already those who aren't willing to plan that far ahead are out of luck on some reservations. I think what is being proposed is something like 180 days for onsite guests and 90 days for offsite guests. That's not going to happen; Disney's not willing to put that big a disparity between types of guests. I'm not sure there is a workable solution where demand is this strong. And you still won't get Le Cellier if you don't call 180 days out.

The above post was in reaction to having all seats on restaurant reservations tied to a resort reservation number. What about those resort guests inviting locals to eat with them?

Resort guests already get the "right" to make all their reservations for up to 10 days with one phone call.
 
Those rules exists for a few reasons:

Mainly, for Disney to optimize the profit out of each table top. Three people don't spend as much as four. The threes will either have to wait till the end to see if the ressies are released or lie. Hell, who cares if you have to pay a $20 no show fee. You got the princesses and it was easier than trying everyday.

2. for fire safety occupancy counts. Since you overcounted and are going to show up with fewer people, thats not a problem.

Kudos to you for finding a work around.

3 adults will almost always outspend 2 adults and 2 children.

Example: Let's go with Le Cellier because it is one of the hardest ADRs to obtain.

Family of 3 adults
- Canadian Cheddar Cheese Soup $6.99 x 3
- Prime Rib $25.99
- Filet $34.99
- Salmon $23.99
- Wine $12 x 2
- Cocktail $9
- Water (bottle for table) $6
- Creme Brulee $6.99
- Smores $5.99
- Chocolate "Moose" $5.99
TOTAL (w/ tax & 18% tip) = $205

Family of 2 adults, 2 children
- Canadian Cheddar Cheese Soup $6.99 x 2
- Prime Rib $25.99
- Filet $34.99
- Wine $12 x 2
- Water (bottle for table) $6
- Kid's Meal $8.99 x 2
- Creme Brulee $6.99
- Chocolate "Moose" $5.99
TOTAL (w/ tax & 18% tip) = $170

Disney actually loses $35 by seating a family of 4 at a 4 top table rather than 3 adults.

Just one example of how "Disney tries to maximize profit by filling 4 tops with parties of 4 first" is illogical.
 
I feel I need to make a clarification, as this has taken on kind of a more "heated" tone than I expected.

My preference to only allowing resort guest to make the ADRs doesn't come from simply wanting to keep non-resort guests out. I just see tying the ADRs to resort reservations as possibly the best way to prevent people from at 180 days out making ADRs for say, Le Cellieir, Ohana, Chef Mickey's (and add a couple more of the more popular restaurants) for each place for every night of their stay with the thinking they'll sort out which restaurant they'll go to on each night as their trip gets closer. At which point, maybe they cancel the extra ADRs, maybe they don't. So my motivation is to eliminate practices like this, not to keep non-resort guests or friends/family of guest out. If there are better ways to eliminate those types of practices, I'd be all for it.
 
First, my comments were directed for the princess dinners. There is no liquor served there. But as for the majority of other restaurants on property, I think my hypothesis still holds:

Disney knows that a majority of its 3 person table tops are going to involve 1 kid. - so why not go for 4? Sorry, although 3 adults can easily outspend the 2 by 2 tabletop, my bet is that the majority of people who frequent disney restaraunts as groups of 3 are two adults, one child combos. So, my hypothesis is that Disney holds out for the 4 tabletop.
 
So I have a family of 4, but my youngest will be 10 months when we go to disney (next month) and isn't much of an eater yet. When we called to order our tickets and make resort reservations that cast member told us that we needed to make reservations for 4 anyway, but if they charge based on that and my baby isn't eating, will I be charged anyway. Should I only be saying 3 if one if an infant?
 
Interesting because I was told it was setup differently for 3 and 4 party groups. That is why you get different times when try to do a 3 or 4 person reservation. My family has 3 so I was curious.

Go ahead and judge. I have a family of 3 and have to live with the system too. I choose to follow the rules even if it means I don't get all my ADRs. Rules, even if flawed, are there for a reason.
In actuality, it is a known issue in the reservation system having to do with odd numbers. Reservations for one extra while keeping the same size table are valid and a common practice by both self-bookers as well as CMs. Not all CMs are aware that it's a flaw in the system and booking for the +1 is a valid option, but several are. (In fact, it was a CM that told me to book for 2 on my solo trip due to this bug. I doubt there's many 1 person tables that would fall under the "different setup" rationale).

Now, not knocking you (though you do come off a bit antagonistic tbh), just the CM that told you the false information. Any table that seats 4 should be open for a party of 3. Just like any table that seats 2 should be open for a party of 1, and so on. Unfortunately, this is not the case in the system (although, it's really easy to change it....). There are a few tables set up for 3 (typically 4-tops set against a wall), but it's far from the norm. There are no (to my knowledge) tables set up for the other odd numbers though. Since the issue persists with any odd number, it's unlikely that it's actually due to the setup.

Now, it could be a limitation based on how much they want to pass through, but that'd be a rather sketchy thing to do for the "odd numbered" families. (Although, Disney does like their families of 4 now don't they ;)).

Edit:
Wow, talk about fail. I read the first page and responded, and didn't realize it was up to 3 pages! Well, um, if you've already said something else to this same tune, I apologize :).

Ok, read through the rest hehe. I R Gud at Reeding!

mdc2745 said:
My preference to only allowing resort guest to make the ADRs doesn't come from simply wanting to keep non-resort guests out. I just see tying the ADRs to resort reservations as possibly the best way to prevent people from at 180 days out making ADRs for say, Le Cellieir, Ohana, Chef Mickey's (and add a couple more of the more popular restaurants) for each place for every night of their stay with the thinking they'll sort out which restaurant they'll go to on each night as their trip gets closer. At which point, maybe they cancel the extra ADRs, maybe they don't. So my motivation is to eliminate practices like this, not to keep non-resort guests or friends/family of guest out. If there are better ways to eliminate those types of practices, I'd be all for it.
Another point to think about. Early July is 180 days before early January. Packages can't be booked until early- to mid-August. These people planning to book onsite, but simply unable to yet, will also be left out of that plan.

The system in place is far from perfect, but it's really the best solution considering all sides. Could the dates be tweaked a bit? Perhaps. For example allowing 190day before date of dining (the current glitch for example) for on-site and 180 before date of dining for off-site (the current real method for off-site) could work. I don't think much more of a spread than that would work out well though. This has been discussed several times before, some heated, some not-so-much, but it always ends up that there really isn't another plausible solution. Even credit card holds on all of them wouldn't work for several reasons (and much less limiting the amount of meals reserved at any given time).

So I have a family of 4, but my youngest will be 10 months when we go to disney (next month) and isn't much of an eater yet. When we called to order our tickets and make resort reservations that cast member told us that we needed to make reservations for 4 anyway, but if they charge based on that and my baby isn't eating, will I be charged anyway. Should I only be saying 3 if one if an infant?
They won't charge for the infant. Reservations are by pure number of people, the actual bill will take into account the little one being under 3.
 
We tried for a ADR's at 180 days out on both of our trips this year - September and December - we were not able to get reservations either time. I really find it hard to believe that this place is that booked for both lunch and dinner. I guess we will have a better chance of getting in when they more Le Cellier to "Signature Dining" and raise the price.
 
First, my comments were directed for the princess dinners. There is no liquor served there.

They do serve alcoholic beverages at Akershus.


Emilyg, yes you have to count the infant in the reservation, whether the infant eats or not. No one will charge you for the infant but you do have to count them as a person on the reservation. Akershus only charges for people who don't show up for the meal. I'm assuming the infant will show up if the rest of the party does.

We tried for a ADR's at 180 days out on both of our trips this year - September and December - we were not able to get reservations either time. I really find it hard to believe that this place is that booked for both lunch and dinner.

September is free dining, and December they hold back tables for the Candlelight Processional packages. Le Cellier is the single most popular restaurant in all of WDW. It is also a very small restaurant. Its full capacity is only around 150. I for one am not all that surprised that no reservations were available there.

If you keep looking, cancellations do open up.
 
Now I feel really bad about all the animosity on here. When I originally posted this, it was not about being bad or tricking the system. I really just meant to show how desparate I was to see the princesses and what a Disney nerd I am.
If I could go back and unpost this whole thread, I think I would.
Nothing but love for you guys. Aren't we all on here because we love Disney so much?
 














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