I Know Longer Believe

[mhsjax]

In my opinion our entire legal process has tilted out of whack in regards to legal and socio-economic factors long before this trial. This trial is just a very visible example of an atrocious process.

And before anybody comes along and snipes with the well you don't know what it is like or it's the best out there. Come on. There is so much room for improvement it isn't even funny.

I don't have all the answers. I do think that the system of leaving a decision of such magnitude to 12 ordinary people who are likely untrained in law, science, psychology or anything remotely relevant is highly likely to go wrong - especially when you consider that most of them don't even want to be there to begin with and are highly motivated to get it over so they can get on with their real lives.

Including the one that "didn't like to judge people" and the one that has a cruise day after tomorrow.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Please describe a system that would work better.

 

[PatsMom]

Please describe a system that would work better.

We may not always like the results of our system, but I know I can't think of a better one.

 

[tvguy]

It's ALWAYS been flawed. I've never had faith in it. Today is just one MORE proof.

Reasonable doubt?

I doubt that there was ANY reasoning involved.

You just made my case for why this verdict was just, and the correct verdict, given how the case was presented.
Have you followed the Amanda Knox case? Given that no legal system is perfect, what would you rather have, a system that clears those who may very well may be guilty, or a system the convicts those who clearly are not guility?

 

[wvjules]

I am shocked and horrifed at today's verdict but I still believe in our justice system. Could it use some improvement? Sure. But it is still a pretty good system.

Casey will get hers. No worries about that.

 

[IdesOmarch]

I never kept up with the case close at all. Wouldn't even watch it because I just don't like watching things about people doing bad things to children. But with that being said, I think the woman is obviously insane and does not deserve the death penalty. She needs to be in a mental institution. I think anyone that would do what she did by definition is insane. I don't think any remotely sane/normal whatever person could be capable of killing their child.

She will now have to live with the fact, if she did indeed do it, and I admit I think it looks very much like she did. She'll probably get attacked, assaulted from time to time, people will call her baby killer every where she goes. Its not going to be a normal existence for her.

Then there is just the whole living with the fact that you know you killed your own child. That would be haunting. Even if someone was the accidental cause of their childs death, I think that would haunt them forever. THe fact that she seems so normal to me is even more proof that she is insane. But I'm not a mental health expert either, so I can't say for sure.

I know some people will say she's not insane, just evil. I suppose that is a possibility too, but my guess would be she is insane.

 

[DeluxePrincess]

Please describe a system that would work better.

 

[wvjules]

I never kept up with the case close at all. Wouldn't even watch it because I just don't like watching things about people doing bad things to children. But with that being said, I think the woman is obviously insane and does not deserve the death penalty. She needs to be in a mental institution. I think anyone that would do what she did by definition is insane. I don't think any remotely sane/normal whatever person could be capable of killing their child.

She will now have to live with the fact, if she did indeed do it, and I admit I think it looks very much like she did. She'll probably get attacked, assaulted from time to time, people will call her baby killer every where she goes. Its not going to be a normal existence for her.

Then there is just the whole living with the fact that you know you killed your own child. That would be haunting. Even if someone was the accidental cause of their childs death, I think that would haunt them forever. THe fact that she seems so normal to me is even more proof that she is insane. But I'm not a mental health expert either, so I can't say for sure.

I know some people will say she's not insane, just evil. I suppose that is a possibility too, but my guess would be she is insane.

She was examined by psychiatrists and they didn't find her insane or else I'm sure that's the defense they would have went with. She is just an evil person. Not all evil people are insane. Some are just evil. Casey is an example of that, IMO.

 

[dngnb8]

I know longer believe in our court system.
I used to believe the the rich and famous got off without paying for crimes but now I think different.

The day a mother that kills her child walks free is the day that makes me feel our system is broken.


Waiting for this "mother" to stand at the gates......

And you have proof that without a shadow of a doubt, she was the one who killed the child?

The thing about a murder verdict is there can be no doubt. Do you really want a system that convicts people of crimes that can result in death penalty when there is doubt?

There is no perfect system. The fact that a child died, increases the empathy of the case. In addition, trials are very much like media and politics, they have to paint someone and present a persona of someone that may not even be accurate.


IMHO, we have the best system in todays world. Not perfect, but we still have the best.

Over the last year, I have read of many life terms reversed because of DNA evidence that proves innocence. Imagine, if you convicted someone of something, put them to death, only to find out you killed an innocent person.

If we cannot be absolutely sure, with verifying evidence, then we cannot proceed. Otherwise, the rights of the innocent will suffer.

 

[The Pink Cupcake]

yup if you wanna kill your kid you can go to Flordia and get off scott free

But you better not get caught with a pound+ of marijuana

Kill your child

Drugs for recreation:

So messed up.

 

[happygirl]

And you have proof that without a shadow of a doubt, she was the one who killed the child?

The thing about a murder verdict is there can be no doubt. Do you really want a system that convicts people of crimes that can result in death penalty when there is doubt?

There is no perfect system. The fact that a child died, increases the empathy of the case. In addition, trials are very much like media and politics, they have to paint someone and present a persona of someone that may not even be accurate.


IMHO, we have the best system in todays world. Not perfect, but we still have the best.

Over the last year, I have read of many life terms reversed because of DNA evidence that proves innocence. Imagine, if you convicted someone of something, put them to death, only to find out you killed an innocent person.

If we cannot be absolutely sure, with verifying evidence, then we cannot proceed. Otherwise, the rights of the innocent will suffer.

Yes, I believe her conduct proves it 100% There is no reason for her call to smell like death

 

[Dan Murphy]

I agree with the majority of thoughts spoken so far on this thread, the system does work. Innocent until proven guilty. If prosecution does not prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a defendant is guilty, that defendant is innocent. And it must be unanimous. It is one of the foundations of our country, one that I would hope be there for me if I was ever put on trial.

I have not followed the crime nor trial one bit. I am aware of it and have a 'working' knowledge of it from regular news programs. My opinion? I think she probably committed the crime, but that this prosecution did not prove to this jury, beyond a reasonable doubt, that she did do the greater crimes she was accused of. The fact that the jury did find her guilty of the lesser charges would indicate to me that the jury thought the defendant was lying. But, in the end, the prosecution did not prove, again, beyond a reasonable doubt, that she did the greater charges of which she was accused of.

I do think the system works.

 

[doxdogy]

Is our system perfect? No, but is there any other system in the world that is perfect? It is obvious that the state did not prove to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that she killed her daughter. Since none of us were in the courtroom everyday and heard all the evidence, don't vilify or insult the intelligence of the jurors for doing the job they were sworn to do.

 

[PatsMom]

Yes, I believe her conduct proves it 100% There is no reason for her call to smell like death

I must admit I have not followed the case too closely. But wasn't it Casey's mother who called the cops sayiing the car smelled like death? I wonder what she based the claim on? I personally would not know what a decomposing body smells like, although I am sure it is not pleasant. But since we don't have trash pickup, unfortunately I do know what a bag of trash left in a hot car trunk smells like and how long it can take to get the odor out of the car.

How did the mother know it smelled like death?

 

[mhsjax]

Yes, I believe her conduct proves it 100% There is no reason for her call to smell like death

Not only that, but if she really didn't do it, then she really put herself in a bad position. Had she not done it, and I know she did, but had she not, then any reasonable person would have contacted the police immediately, and reasonable person would not have gotten a beautiful life tattoo, the next day and any reasonable person wouldn't have been out partying.

I am sorry, but I am of the belief that probably 99.99999% of the people on trial, weather guilty or not, have put themselves in that position. I don't know of anyone that just randomly gets arrested for serious crimes. You are known by the company you keep.

And I completely agree with you.

 

[dngnb8]

Yes, I believe her conduct proves it 100% There is no reason for her call to smell like death

People said the same thing about the Duke Blue Devil LaCrosse team when they were accused of rape.

The media is no place to put someone on trial.

 

[PatsMom]

Perhaps the Bella Vita tattoo refers to her daughter's beautiful life? I could picture a parent having a tat like that done as a memorial. I really do believe that the system worked in this case - especially with the death penalty possible. Reasonable doubt and you have to find not guilty.

 

[mum4jenn]

You also have to remember that the jury did not get to hear all the same things we have been seeing and watching on the news. It is tOUGH being on a jury. All of these people said they could listen to the evidence and make their decision based on that. I am sure many of them had a pre-conceived notion that Casey is guilty but they did their part and gave their verdict based on the evidence.

I would also bet that most of them FEEL she did it but that is NOT what this court system is based on. A person on the jury is supposed to take their personal feelings out of it and judge on the evidence that they are allowed to know about.


How many of us have been on a jury before??? I have. I have served MANY times and I have always had to put personal feelings aside. I have been selected for everything from Murder, child abuse, drugs, theft, death, you name it.... As a juror you take an oath that you will listen to the evidence and to put aside your personal feelings.

For those of you that feel the system is flawed... How many of you have thought of every excuse in the book to get out of jury duty???

Yes... I feel a murder will be set free and I am not happy about it but you can not blame the justice system. Be thankful that we live in a country where we HAVE a justice system. Think about people in other countries that do not even have the priviledge of a trial by jury of their peers. Think about the countries where no questions asked..the accused are tortured...killed.....hands chopped off. Think about those countries where if you are a woman you are killed for not even wearing a head covering.

You should be thankful you live in America.

 

[dngnb8]

I am sorry, but I am of the belief that probably 99.99999% of the people on trial, weather guilty or not, have put themselves in that position. I don't know of anyone that just randomly gets arrested for serious crimes. You are known by the company you keep.

Ah yes, guilt by association. That is fine, until someone judges you negatively by someone you associate with.

The issue with this sort of sentence is, you dont hold the cards for the barometer of judgement. Someone can dislike someone you associate with for their reasons, wheter you agree with them or not.

 

[luvmy3]

You also have to remember that the jury did not get to hear all the same things we have been seeing and watching on the news. It is tOUGH being on a jury. All of these people said they could listen to the evidence and make their decision based on that. I am sure many of them had a pre-conceived notion that Casey is guilty but they did their part and gave their verdict based on the evidence.

I would also bet that most of them FEEL she did it but that is NOT what this court system is based on. A person on the jury is supposed to take their personal feelings out of it and judge on the evidence that they are allowed to know about.


How many of us have been on a jury before??? I have. I have served MANY times and I have always had to put personal feelings aside. I have been selected for everything from Murder, child abuse, drugs, theft, death, you name it.... As a juror you take an oath that you will listen to the evidence and to put aside your personal feelings.

For those of you that feel the system is flawed... How many of you have thought of every excuse in the book to get out of jury duty???

Yes... I feel a murder will be set free and I am not happy about it but you can not blame the justice system. Be thankful that we live in a country where we HAVE a justice system. Think about people in other countries that do not even have the priviledge of a trial by jury of their peers. Think about the countries where no questions asked..the accused are tortured...killed.....hands chopped off. Think about those countries where if you are a woman you are killed for not even wearing a head covering.

You should be thankful you live in America.

You are right but I still can't help but think its too bad Casey Anthony didn't live there.