I hate mobility scooters

[cornflkgrl]

I wasn't talking about the ADA at all. Other people brought that up. I was defending the right of the person who complained about the slow tour to complain about the slow tour. I am allowed to complain about noise in a movie theater or being hit by an ECV being driven by a child in a lap and it has nothing to do with the ADA.

No, I brought up the ADA because my son has a protected disability and you brought him up as needing a "public tree on which to urinate" as if he has a childhood fear of bathrooms and implied I requested somewhere that he be allowed to pee on trees somewhere in open public. And I wanted to clarify as well because what you posted was inaccurate information pertaining to MY situation being used to support your point. I already agreed with you that you have a right to complain. Complain away. Everyone in Disney can complain.

But they do not have to honor your complaint and no one ever has to disclose their disability to YOU prior to attending a show, going on a tour, going to a movie, etc. If you don't like being at a movie with a disabled person or their issues are slowing you down or whatever it is that is going on is bothering you, it is within your rights to complain to a manager that your experience is not up to par and then it is up to that manager to figure out how to handle it. The person with the disability owes you Joe Public NOTHING in the way of an apology for their disability or the symptoms that comes with.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I wasn't talking about the ADA at all. Other people brought that up. I was defending the right of the person who complained about the slow tour to complain about the slow tour. I am allowed to complain about noise in a movie theater or being hit by an ECV being driven by a child in a lap and it has nothing to do with the ADA.

So what do you say when then investigate the noise and determine it is someone trying to breathe?

Sure, anyone has the right to complain. It does not mean the complaint should be taken seriously.

The problem with your complaint is that you expect to be compensated for quite literally a business following the law.

This has nothing to do with kids driving ECV's when they shouldn't Or other quite blatant rude behavior. You expect compensation for these people merely existing and sharing space with you. You can try to soften it with how it impacted your life, but it doesn't change the general expression you have made that they are inconveniencing you by their presence. That is sad.

While I would never wish upon you are circumstance that would necessitate you to experience this first hand, I will say this:

I do hope that should you find yourself on wheels due to illness or disability, that others demonstrate compassion towards you and look forward to your participation in a public event.

I do hope that should is have a family member in a similar spot that you are not shamed that they are too much of a burden to others that you would not let them get around much for fear that they might delay someone and super them for using an elevator or that the little air sounds are too noisy for others.

There is no shame in disability and people should not have to hide from folks who feel they are entitled to have no noticable
Negative impact on their time because they choose to engage the world rather than hide from it.

And I do hope the consideration you expect is reciprocated by you towards these people rather than in a complaint to guest services because they were on a tour they had every right to be on.

 

[mondragon]

I read a story once about a drunk driver killing someone. What those cops ought to do is require that if you drink you can't drive a car. And they should require that all those drivers of cars "have a valid drivers license. Obviously a lot don't since they run into" people and other cars "all the time."

What does that have to do with someone allowing a child to sit on their lap and drive the scooter. My complaint is that many of these ECV users do not have licenses due to either their disability, vision, hearing, behavioral issues, etc....

 

[Dizlvr]

This could be true. But I think you believe the scooter users should be the ones denied access if WDW becomes overcrowded. How about keeping out some regular walking folks and admitting the scooter folks into WDW? Yeah, that doesn't sit too well, does it.

Maybe you shouldn't think so much, it will save you from being wrong.

 

[Jdbsfw]

Yeah, and you'll look at me and decide I'm just fat and lazy. And you'll be wrong. I'm not one of the "perpetually unmotivated, lazy people with poor dietary habits". My kidneys failed due to Sjogren's Syndrome. My blood pressure is stellar, and people would kill for my HbA1c and my cholesterol ratio. I had a Cardiac Calcium Scan done that showed my risk to be 0. So, I'm far from diabetic, and not a cardiac risk. I'm just dandy except for the fact that I can only walk about a block before completely crumbling, and am always extremely anemic, and my kidneys are only gonna be good for who knows how many more years, and my fingers, elbows, and shoulders ache, and my right knee needs to be replaced. I've already had bones removed from both thumbs, surgery done on both hands, and the right knee, and I have a neuroma in my left foot. My left ankle is in bad shape, but I wear a brace for it and my right knee anyway. Life is great. You can't see the braces. So to you, I'm just fat and lazy. And I KNOW you make a judgement every time you see someone in an ECV.

I'm not sure the kind of people you deal with day to day but if you think for one second I'm afraid to admit I'm judging you on an anonymous online forum, you're nuts. I stated I have no sympathy for some ECV users but obviously have sympathy for others (guess I could have been clearer) and I don't know or care which one you are if I saw you.....

 

[SMD]

So what do you say when then investigate the noise and determine it is someone trying to breathe?

Sure, anyone has the right to complain. It does not mean the complaint should be taken seriously.

The problem with your complaint is that you expect to be compensated for quite literally a business following the law.

This has nothing to do with kids driving ECV's when they shouldn't Or other quite blatant rude behavior. You expect compensation for these people merely existing and sharing space with you. You can try to soften it with how it impacted your life, but it doesn't change the general expression you have made that they are inconveniencing you by their presence. That is sad.

While I would never wish upon you are circumstance that would necessitate you to experience this first hand, I will say this:

I do hope that should you find yourself on wheels due to illness or disability, that others demonstrate compassion towards you and look forward to your participation in a public event.

I do hope that should is have a family member in a similar spot that you are not shamed that they are too much of a burden to others that you would not let them get around much for fear that they might delay someone and super them for using an elevator or that the little air sounds are too noisy for others.

There is no shame in disability and people should not have to hide from folks who feel they are entitled to have no noticable
Negative impact on their time because they choose to engage the world rather than hide from it.

And I do hope the consideration you expect is reciprocated by you towards these people rather than in a complaint to guest services because they were on a tour they had every right to be on.

Serving a customer with a disability does not absolve a business of their obligation to all customers. Serving ANY customer does not absolve their obligation to any other customer regardless of disability. If a theater would give me a refund or a free popcorn because an infant screamed through the midnight show or a guest accidentally spilled their soda, why wouldn't they also make the same gesture because a disabled guest made an equivalent amount of noise or a disabled guest is the one who spilled the drink. You mention equal access, but what you're describing is preferred treatment. You'll excuse me if I don't take your interpretations of the law at face value. In my experience the laws are not black and white and there are operational exceptions.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Serving a customer with a disability does not absolve a business of their obligation to all customers. Serving ANY customer does not absolve their obligation to any other customer regardless of disability. If a theater would give me a refund or a free popcorn because an infant screamed through the midnight show or a guest accidentally spilled their soda, why wouldn't they also make the same gesture because a disabled guest made an equivalent amount of noise or a disabled guest is the one who spilled the drink. You mention equal access, but what you're describing is preferred treatment. You'll excuse me if I don't take your interpretations of the law at face value. In my experience the laws are not black and white and there are operational exceptions.

It is not preferred treatment.

You have yet to explain how you are not being served.

Screaming babies and spilled sodas are not the same nor protected by law.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Here is a situation with an employer and oxygen tanks. The client seems to have a valid concern of safety. But even then--no dice.
http://www.humanresourceblog.com/2009/08/11/employee-carrying-a-oxygen-tank/

 

[cjbcam]

Wow!! Anyways I think a lot of posters don't actually hate the people driving the ecv. I know I hate ecv but not the people in them. This is due to an older lady losing control of it and coming really close to hitting and pinning my two year old (at the time) against a building. I hate that they are hard to control. Don't stop fast enough and such.
I bet a lot of the people having to ride them hate them as well. But unless something better is developed people just need to be considerate of others.

 

[SMD]

But they do not have to honor your complaint and no one ever has to disclose their disability to YOU prior to attending a show, going on a tour, going to a movie, etc. If you don't like being at a movie with a disabled person or their issues are slowing you down or whatever it is that is going on is bothering you, it is within your rights to complain to a manager that your experience is not up to par and then it is up to that manager to figure out how to handle it. The person with the disability owes you Joe Public NOTHING in the way of an apology for their disability or the symptoms that comes with.

However, that also does not mean the poster who used the word "inconsiderate" to describe the person who slowed their tour was being hateful. It was inconsiderate, intentional or not, even if completely within their rights. If someone feels that the inconsiderate label is unfair then they should show consideration for others, even if not required to. If someone sits down next to me and they have uncontrolled arm movements, shouldn't they warn me that they might swing their arm and hit me? Even if the law says they owe me nothing. If I get smacked and I refer to that person as inconsiderate, I couldn't care less if they then cry foul.

 

[SMD]

It is not preferred treatment.

You have yet to explain how you are not being served.

Screaming babies and spilled sodas are not the same nor protected by law.

Where is any noise which impacts the screening protected from others complaining? The person who went on the slow tour didn't say that the ECV user was required to move faster, they complained that it was inconsiderate. Trying to control what other customers say, think or feel or how the business chooses to interact with the other customers is giving preferred status to one customer over another.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Where is any noise which impacts the screening protected from others complaining? The person who went on the slow tour didn't say that the ECV user was required to move faster, they complained that it was inconsiderate. Trying to control what other customers say, think or feel or how the business chooses to interact with the other customers is giving preferred status to one customer over another.

I didn't say they couldn't complain. I said the complaint shouldn't be taken seriously.

This isn't controlling what you say or think.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

However, that also does not mean the poster who used the word "inconsiderate" to describe the person who slowed their tour was being hateful. It was inconsiderate, intentional or not, even if completely within their rights. If someone feels that the inconsiderate label is unfair then they should show consideration for others, even if not required to. If someone sits down next to me and they have uncontrolled arm movements, shouldn't they warn me that they might swing their arm and hit me? Even if the law says they owe me nothing. If I get smacked and I refer to that person as inconsiderate, I could care less if they then cry foul.

When you are confined to a wheelchair, by definition--everything can be construed as inconsiderate. The wheelchair is the HUGE symbol that this person cannot use stairs. The end.

You are reaching to justify.

 

[cornflkgrl]

If someone sits down next to me and they have uncontrolled arm movements, shouldn't they warn me that they might swing their arm and hit me? Even if the law says they owe me nothing. If I get smacked and I refer to that person as inconsiderate, I couldn't care less if they then cry foul.

I mean, maybe they aren't even uncontrolled...who knows

 

[SMD]

I didn't say they couldn't complain. I said the complaint shouldn't be taken seriously.

This isn't controlling what you say or think.

In your very first post in this thread you said others are not entitled their opinion. It's not your place to say whether or not a business should take someone else's complaint seriously. The businesses interaction with the disabled guest and the guest complaining are separate. When it's your business you can decide you don't value the complainer's business. When it's the movie theater, they get to decide.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Respectfully disagree. I went back and reread that first post and I don't think its hateful at all. She specifically mentions the, perhaps, 1 in 20 people using scooters who probably don't need them and her sense of humor is evident in the final comment of her post. I still think intelligent adults should be able to discuss an issue with a degree of objectivity.

No need to delve into the post. The thread title sets the tone, "I Hate Mobilitiy Scooters"

 

[maxiesmom]

Serving a customer with a disability does not absolve a business of their obligation to all customers. Serving ANY customer does not absolve their obligation to any other customer regardless of disability. If a theater would give me a refund or a free popcorn because an infant screamed through the midnight show or a guest accidentally spilled their soda, why wouldn't they also make the same gesture because a disabled guest made an equivalent amount of noise or a disabled guest is the one who spilled the drink. You mention equal access, but what you're describing is preferred treatment. You'll excuse me if I don't take your interpretations of the law at face value. In my experience the laws are not black and white and there are operational exceptions.

I guess if there was an exact time by which a tour was guaranteed to be done, and it was not, and you could prove it was because of someone in the tour using an ECV you may have a case. Otherwise, you just sound like you lack empathy and consideration of others.

 

[Domo]

Hmm, this got out of hand...

It IS possible to hate something and at the same time to see it's use where appropriate.

I also hate Bounty chocolate bars. But I'm not forcing them down your throat and I recognise that for many people they are a fine piece of chocolate.

 

[minnie mum]

Hmm, this got out of hand...

It IS possible to hate something and at the same time to see it's use where appropriate.

I also hate Bounty chocolate bars. But I'm not forcing them down your throat and I recognise that for many people they are a fine piece of chocolate.

See what you started? ECV threads only differ by their start date. They always run hot. And frankly, the title of the thread was offensive to just about anyone who needs the use of an ECV. Perhaps you weren't aware, when you posted this. They are usually started on the Theme Parks board. I'm only surprised, given the level of vitriol, that this thread hasn't been closed long before now. And I know the moderators have been watching.

 

[Planogirl]

ECV's aren't problems and neither are their drivers. I'm sure that there are a few rude drivers just like in any group of people.