I don't understand why its such a big deal to take your children out of school..

[skbasnett]

Umm...no.

What does YOUR contract stipulate?

I AM NOT A TEACHER!!!! Do you read these things or just kind of make it up as you go?? I DONT TEACH. Did you get it THAT TIME???

 

[skbasnett]

Oh goody for you--as do I...but I like to type quickly and didn't realize I was being graded on this assignment.

It seems that you dont know alot of what you are doing. I see why it says Dont MISquote me under your name.

 

[MrsPete]

Again...you didnt read my post very well. I said that You can not compare the jobs. OBVISOULY a firefighter or a policeman has much harder work. Only a fool would think otherwise.

I agree that they can't be compared, but I don't think you can say one is harder than the other.

I've taught quite a few students who were just not academic. They were good kids, good citizens, and they're going to do fine in the world. They are good kids, but they struggle in school. They would never make it as teachers. They would hate the reading, the grading, everything. On the other hand, they'd do very well as firefighters or police officers.

I, on the other hand, would never make it as a firefighter or policeman. I see those guys out running every morning -- no thanks!

It's not a matter of hard or easy. It's a matter of finding a job that fits your skill set.

 

[MrsPete]

Oh goody for you--as do I...but I like to type quickly and didn't realize I was being graded on this assignment.

Well, if you're going to insult the intelligence /education of an entire group of people, you'd better be sure you're not living in a glass house!

 

[WIcruizer]

I was pointing out that the school system treats us like salaried employees when it suits them and treats us like hourly employees when it doesn't. This is not true of most salaried employees.

You're kidding right? I've worked for a couple companies that treat salaried workers EXACTLY that way. I also know from talking to various professionals all over the country, they're in the same boat. Work as long as necessary to get the job done, but if you need time off for a few hours yo uneed to take half of a vacation day. As with everything else, teachers are no different in that regard.

 

[skbasnett]

I agree that they can't be compared, but I don't think you can say one is harder than the other.

I've taught quite a few students who were just not academic. They were good kids, good citizens, and they're going to do fine in the world. But they would never make it as teachers.

I, on the other hand, would never make it as a firefighter or policeman.

It's not a matter of hard or easy. It's a matter of finding a job that fits your skill set.

I can understand where you are coming from. Definately!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think you are still missing the point: I was pointing out that the school system treats us like salaried employees when it suits them and treats us like hourly employees when it doesn't. This is not true of most salaried employees.

But I'm trying to tell you--you are NOT an hourly employee.

You say you are on salary. Some have said they are on contract. If you have a contract that stipulates x-number of days and then you do not have a personal leave pool to take a few hours to attend to something personal...then they do not have to pay you as you have not met the conditions of the contract.

My husband had his pay docked before.

Most salaried employees are also not on contract. So if their boss decides to let them take an afternoon off--that is their choice.

I don't pretend to know anything about the teaching profession and the jabs about how some of us (mostly me as I don't have a direct family connection to the profession)..don't know anything about it...is rather unprofessional. I may not experience it day to day..but I'm not an idiot and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone must chaperone the dances, that someone must do lunch duty, that someone must have bus duty, that while you are teaching a class--it would be impossible to multi-task and grade yesterday's test and due the planning for next week b/c you are in front of the chalkboard teaching polynomials. I don't have to be a teacher to know that. I am observe very well...went to school for 12 years...helped my teachers grade tests...helped do lots of things. So while I don't know specific nuances...I can be very familiar with what you do just as I now know what a firefighter does on a daily basis b/c I visited, asked questions, and observed.

I am just amazed.

 

[WIcruizer]

It seems that you dont know alot of what you are doing. I see why it says Dont MISquote me under your name.

dont- don't (twice)
alot- a lot
Minus 10 for poor syntax. That's a C+ grade from a non-teacher.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Well, if you're going to insult the intelligence /education of an entire group of people, you'd better be sure you're not living in a glass house!

Well--I'm tired of getting accused of not doing my homework ("you're not reading my posts!").

My glass house has hurricane glass and cannot be broken with a stone.

 

[WIcruizer]

I think you are still missing the point: I was pointing out that the school system treats us like salaried employees when it suits them and treats us like hourly employees when it doesn't.

To be fair, there's a flip side to that as well. Teachers tend to curse the contract when they don't like something, but lean on it when it suits them.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It seems that you dont know alot of what you are doing. I see why it says Dont MISquote me under your name.

It says that b/c I was accused not once but 3 times on 3 seperate threads of saying something I didn't say and I got my panties in a bunch and posted a thread to say don't misquote me. The accusers/misquoters didn't use the quote function and felt it necessary to attribute statements to me that I would never say. The Tag Fairy decided to put it there (and in my ignorance--I don't know what that area is called. Doesn't matter what degree I have--not a clue what it is called!)


I'm having a discussion on a message board and write the way I would speak...and my brain is not quick to process a homonym for correct spelling.

I'm glad that you share a quality with Mary Poppins. But I don't have the time to word for word--grade your posts. That is just disrespectful and really doesn't validate your argument anyway.


edited for error (wrong word) as I'm tired of getting picked on by teachers who resort to picking a part posts to prove their point. Gee--is this how you treat your LD and ADD students! By insulting their intelligience b/c they misspelled a word or interchanged words. You must really be stressed!

 

[WIcruizer]

No worries--SW in my hubby's field is software and I was trying to figure out what a software person would be complaining about.

That's easy, just watch the movie "Office Space" and you'll gain a greater appreciation of his complaints.

 

[daisyduck123]

Every teacher on this thread is laughing right now! You can't get it done during the school day -- even if you stay late.

I really don't think you do know what a public school teachers' job entails.

I agree & actually there is more than 1 person on this thread who does not know what they are talking about.

 

[WIcruizer]

I agree & actually there is more than 1 person on this thread who does not know what they are talking about.

But do you have the courage to name them, and point out exactly what was said to draw you to that conclusion?

 

[daisyduck123]

I would use the word "common" to describe how many teachers get 3 months off. That's not just summer, it includes Christmas Break, Spring Break, various teachers conferences, etc. Add it all up and the average is pretty close to 3 months off in an awful lot of states/districts.



Since you mentioned prom, i would guess you're a HS teacher. That's a different situation. There is more work involved grading papers, and you certainly can't get it all done during the day. Then again, HS teachers are paid more than K-6.

I don't know one teacher in any county in the country who has 3 months off. Teachers are 10 month employees. Yes, we get off a week at Christmas, 2 days at our only Spring break (in my county) & 2 at Thanksgiving(in my county) but we are not paid for those vacations. We are only paid for actual work days (190 in my county).


Here, ALL teachers are paid the same. Elementary thru High school.

You really don't seem to know what you are talking about.

 

[daisyduck123]

But do you have the courage to name them, and point out exactly what was said to draw you to that conclusion?

I think you know who you are.

 

[WIcruizer]

I think you know who you are.

No, I don't. You see, it's easy to come in and make a random comment with nothing to back it up. If you disagree with someone, be an adult and state an example of what you consider to be "not knowing what they're talking about." Otherwise you have no credibility. (Wow...seems like I DO know what I'm talking about.)

 

[skbasnett]

It says that b/c I was accused not once but 3 times on 3 seperate threads of saying something I didn't say and I got my panties in a bunch and posted a thread to say don't misquote me. The accusers/misquoters didn't use the quote function and felt it necessary to attribute statements to me that I would never say. The Tag Fairy decided to put it there (and in my ignorance--I don't know what that area is called. Doesn't matter what degree I have--not a clue what it is called!)


I'm having a discussion on a message board and write the way I would speak...and my brain is not quick to process a homonym for correct spelling.

I'm glad that you share a quality with Mary Poppins. But I don't have the time to word for word--grade your posts. That is just disrespectful and really doesn't validate your argument anyway.


edited for error (wrong word) as I'm tired of getting picked on by teachers who resort to picking a part posts to prove their point. Gee--is this how you treat your LD and ADD students! By insulting their intelligience b/c they misspelled a word or interchanged words. You must really be stressed!

I really should not have to state this again, but I guess that I do. I am not a teacher. I am just defending them because they work very hard and get very little out of it. I am a travel agent. Please quit saying that I am a teacher.

By the way, teachers do not get paid for the summer. My mom and sister are over and showed them this thread. They would love to see some of you come up here and try to work with the supplies they do not have.

 

[daisyduck123]

No, I don't. You see, it's easy to come in and make a random comment with nothing to back it up. If you disagree with someone, be an adult and state an example of what you consider to be "not knowing what they're talking about." Otherwise you have no credibility. (Wow...seems like I DO know what I'm talking about.)

I gave you some examples...just look back. I have 1st graders with better comprehension than you ...and since I am not "on the clock & getting paid" I will not pull out my special ed. resources to deal with you again. Good bye.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

For the record--I only was speaking on the merits of salary alone as that is the one poitn that I did agree with WIcruizer on.

I didn't speak on summers off, short work days--or anything else.

Just salary--and with the teaching job--you are compensated (however fairly or not fairly) for all tasks whether or not you are able to complete all tasks during the workday.

The insults came from the teachers in slinging fashion! I said one insult--about reading comprehension--after one was thrown my way...and have been nothing but torn down for errors in my typing. That is real professional!

And since we are attributing more thoughts to me than I have posted on...around here...teachers get Christmas week, Easter week, and at least one month if not more for the summer (a friend vacations for a month in the summer--I forget what the surrounding days off are for that). I'm not in the "you have 3 months off club".

One need not be in the profession to have a good idea of what it entails. You teachers are reminding me of those who think SAHM's sit at home and eat bon bons.